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Ch1pmunk	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:19:00 - [1] hey, i am in the market for a new tank (my current one is an abaddon). without adding guns or dmg mods, what ship would you suggest i get? and with what setup? i am good using all race ships, and can shield and armor tank well. pls include : ship name: low slots: mid slots: effective hit points: and dps it can tank using 2 dmg types: pls be cap stable, and any ship lower than a carrier will do. thanks.
Ch1pmunk	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:24:00 - [2] ok, i talked to a guy in my corp and he said nighthawk was the best shield tank. and abaddon was best armor tank. anyone confirm this?
Shereza	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:05:00 - [3] Given setups as equal as possible and given that the only modules are T1 Core Defence Field Purger rigs, Large Shield Extender IIs, and Shield Power Relay IIs the nighthawk will have a higher omni-tank than the rattlesnake. However, once you start fitting hardeners and removing LSE IIs the rattlesnake will gain a marginal advantage of 1140 to 1113. The nighthawk, however, will have a 40% smaller signature radius and roughly 45% more base velocity which will reduce damage taken, so long as you are moving in the case of velocity-based differences, by more than that 27 point difference in tanks. IOW, the rattlesnake has a slightly higher EFT tank than the nighthawk but the nighthawk will have the higher effective tank. As these are two of top passive shield tankers, if not the top two, so that's about as close to "yes, nighthawk is the best PST" I'll post. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Ch1pmunk	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:36:00 - [4] Ok so nighthawk is the best passive shield tank.... so what ship is the best active shield tank? and what ship is the best armor tank?
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. Dead End.	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Lt Angus on 24/03/2009 08:45:09 vulture(passive) and damnation(passive) are best of the 2, active probably kronos and golem, sub cap and non faction please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
sahtila hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:44:00 - [6] Dont know whats best, but Vulture and Claymore tank 5000dps+ with deadspace gear and crystal set.
DuttyDan	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:18:00 - [7] [Claymore, Uber Tank] Chelm's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Chelm's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Chelm's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Damage Control II Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II With crystals you get 7k dps tanked 62% cap stable
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:46:00 - [8] Maelstrom has the best sub capital active shield tank. What are you looking to tank specifically? Chasing the biggest number in EFT is one thing, but do you actually have an application for said tank. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:49:00 - [9] a devoter can run a pretty mean armor tank with 7 lows and excellent resists. You could get more out of an abby, but the devoter is cruiser sized. Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Oramin	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:55:00 - [10] As long as we're being silly (since the OP never asked for reasonable setups) Golem: Lows: 4 x Draclira's PDU Mids: 3 x Luther Veron's Invul, 2 x Gist-X X-L Shield Booster, 2 x Estamel's Shield Boost Amp Highs: Nothing Rigs: 2 x Cap Control Circ. II Implants: (not optimized for this setup), K?A1000, Squire CC4 With all skills at L5, EFT gives an omni-defence score of 7237, EHP of 120,685, and it is cap stable at 46%.

Gath Nihilus	Posted - 2009.03.26 01:40:00 - [11] Just for fun [Maelstrom, vds] Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit Chelm's Modified Reactor Control Unit Capital Shield Booster I Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router I 14kish tank.
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.26 02:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2009 02:11:21 [Rokh, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Cap Recharger II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I 1575 base tank, Crystals = 2352 tank It's what I'd go for anyway. -Liang Ed: Oh, 132K ehp to guristas. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Riven Varlass	Posted - 2009.03.26 06:28:00 - [13] Someone post a Damnation fit to rid them of the Abaddon being a good tanker illusion.
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.26 06:52:00 - [14] When it comes to officer gear, shield tank is more than 2x better than armor tank That kinda sucks also, officer tanking gear increasing tanking ability more than 2x for armor, 3-4x for shield yet officer damage gear barely crosses 1.4x I know normal balance issues don't really apply to officer gear, but still. I wish CCP weren't so biased against damage
Lego Maniac Minmatar Dusty Death Enterprise Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.26 07:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Riven Varlass Someone post a Damnation fit to rid them of the Abaddon being a good tanker illusion. injected abbadon does indeed tank better than damnation [Damnation, max tank] Amarr Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Amarr Navy Armor EM Hardener Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Medium Armor Repairer Amarr Navy Medium Armor Repairer Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II [empty med slot] Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I 1114 sustained, cap stable (with injector charges) [Abaddon, tankenstein] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I 1545 sustained, as long as charges last
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.26 11:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 26/03/2009 11:59:40 If you're looking at tanking kin/therm heavy enemies, I would suggest looking at a passive shield Ishtar. [Ishtar, Passive Shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Field II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I I have Shield Management and Shield Operation to IV and have the KVA1000 and KYA1000 implants in (total cost is 6-ish m), and with the above setup I can tank 1516 DPS vs Serpentis. Swap it for a Ballistic, and I push 2100 vs Guristas. You probably have better shield skills than I do, so you'll do better :p Couple this with Dominix drone abilities, and you have a pretty decent little mission tank. If you wanted to take Angels with an Explosive hardener, though, I'd recommend better skills and hardwirings than I have, and if you want to take Sanshas etc. get a different ship ;) ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz
Taipan Leviathan Dark Star Confederation Magnum Opus.	Posted - 2009.03.26 13:07:00 - [17] For a more, err normal fit: [Broadsword, breedzwaard] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I 1111 dps omni tank. Or else: [Broadsword, breedzwaard] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II 2313 dps.
Hanns Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.26 13:32:00 - [18] some of these fits are pointless, 3 Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field LOL post some realistic comparisons plz. CN Invuln for instance, bit more realistic. Originally by: Tuxford a new retribution bonus +1 med slot per level
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2009.03.26 13:43:00 - [19] Edited by: arbiter reborn on 26/03/2009 13:46:36 maelstrom isnt the best sub cap tank the claymore id it can get a 22k dps tank on it edit aww just got 24k dps tank on the maelstrom stfu
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.03.26 14:21:00 - [20] [Jaguar, New Setup 1] Micro B88 Core Augmentation Micro 'Vigor' I Core Augmentation Micro 'Vigor' I Core Augmentation Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Medium Capacitor Battery II Domination Invulnerability Field [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Auxiliary Thrusters I Auxiliary Thrusters I shrug - putting the gist back into logistics

Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:56:00 - [21] Edited by: Angry Poster on 26/03/2009 16:00:18 Edited by: Angry Poster on 26/03/2009 15:59:51 While I lived in Guristas space we used to run 8/10 and 10/10 plexes in two HACs. I'd be flying an Ishtar with a decent tank (1x Complex MAR on perma and a seconds faction MAR that I could run for 20 minutes with AB or infinite without AB). This allowed me to tank a few groups without any problems while my mate would do most of the "serious" tanking in his Cerb fitted with two Gistii A-Type Small Shield Boosters. This gave him a totally crazy Guristas tank (somewhere around 1,4k DPS tank VS. kin/therm) that he could perma-run without any problems. My tank on the other hand was not that good (but still around 900 DPS tank VS Guri). An extra factor was that we were both in quite small ships (signature wise) which massivly reduces damage taken from BS. Add to that an AB on perma and you shouldn't be having any issues. The only problem with this setup is that it's only really strong against kin/therm NPCs. Otherwise you have to fit tons of hardners to get the resists needed and that will certainly nerf you. Also there are (or were?) plexes with traps here and there (like EM damage in last stage even though the plex was Guristas or crazy 100k damage missiles that can only be tanked by a dedicated ship). I think in the end there is no "best tank". There are certain ships that are good for specific tasks (like a dual Gistii A-Type Small Shield Boosted Cerb for Guri) but I doubt there is any kind of "one tank fits all" sort of deal... unless you're going for a really weak omnitank or something or are willing to pay billions for complex/officer mods or something). Edit: I forgot about the broadsword... That didn't exist yet at the time when I was living in Guri space so that wasn't an option. I guess thats probably also one of the more crazy passive shield tanks around (and may well beat the dual Gistii Cerb against most damage types).


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