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Inspirat	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:26:00 - [601] More BoB/Kenny/Beaver favoritism? Yay!
Morning Mist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:27:00 - [602] Originally by: elohllird lothar but arent more devs in goons according to ccp? correct me if im wrong, See the difference is, we don't suck our devs off to get favors.
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 - [603]
Warn1nG Soul Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 - [604] bob rip.
Jack Moriarty GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 - [605] Voted.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 - [606] how do i vote?
VENOM2k99	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:30:00 - [607] Voted
eFart	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:30:00 - [608]
Swedish Bob GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 - [609] Batphone strikes again.
Jufer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 - [610]

GashaSerb	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 - [611] ...
Darth Kasbian Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 - [612] CCP has been added to my weak as **** list sorry had to be said after i lost all respect
Mathius Prin	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 - [613]
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:32:00 - [614]
elohllird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:33:00 - [615] Originally by: Morning Mist Originally by: elohllird lothar but arent more devs in goons according to ccp? correct me if im wrong, See the difference is, we don't suck our devs off to get favors. mate tbh with you they need to clarify the rules, and if i was in your position and sitting down the pub with you sipping a cold one i'd probably agree and have a laugh. But its the.. whiney omg whine omg whine that is funny thats why i love being a WUM btw pics or stfu
Rilcon Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:33:00 - [616] They also have the only alliance ticker with a lower case letter. No other alliance can do that via normal game mechanics. Of course, normal game mechanics don't seem to be a concern for some players.
Ghuarran Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [617] ----------------------------------------------- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. --Sir Winston Churchill
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [618] Oh please, get a life. Although I think BoB should pay CCP 1billion isk, this is not game breaking. It was because of you jerks that they had to do this in the first place. Get over it. CCP did it, it is THEIR game. NOT YOURS. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
Da Maddness GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [619] In follow up from my support which is lost in this thread somewhere I must say this saddens me greatly. I have many a friend interested in MMOs and I would love to be able to show them the joys of Eve but time and time again I get told "But if the Devs favour a specific group, whats the point?" They rightly ask. My reply is that it's rare and should never happen again. Sadly you have proven me wrong. You guy have made a work of art in Eve. You allow scams, you have a player diven economy and the pollitical landscape is decided by players. Now, there is no way I would say that the person who have made this great game should not enjoy it themselves, IMO thats just silly to suggest that. However it is obvious that some people in power have a vested interest in a specific group. I love Eve but why allow people in your company to damage the reputation of such a great game? Why risk players over such a simple thing as a name change?
Rook Fischer	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [620]

Critta Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [621]
headweapon T.T.S.P Solutions	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [622]
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [623] In the light of CCPs conduct in the past - CCP needs to be interrogated over this The members of staff involved in the name change traced - and their actions audited The methods used by ex BOB to contact these members of staff identified (to assure correct channel were used) As such im giving this my nominal support - although it is possible CCP acted in good faith SKUNK (o)
VoiceInTheDesert Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:37:00 - [624]
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:37:00 - [625] Oh and BTW: There is no rule that doesn't allow the renaming of an alliance. Show me the proof if there is this supposed rule. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
Karezan	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:37:00 - [626] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim Originally by: Karezan While I can understand the concern with CCP potentially showing favoritism towards BoB (especially given past incidents here), I do think the whole alliance disbanding thing was somewhat of a mitigating factor. Still, if it's a serious issue to some people, I could see a demand for action (although right now it seems to be primarily BoB's enemies and alts posting). What I don't understand is the demand to disband BoB. Even the original post quite clearly states that this would be a case of developer misconduct, and the solution to this is to...take it out on players? How does that deal with developer misconduct? If you were calling out the person who approved this, and whether that was an unbiased decision, sure, but asking for BoB 2.0 to be disbanded is just silly, and to me screams of ulterior motives. If you lose a ship due to a known and confirmed in game bug, and petition it, should the GM simply destroy all ships you own if he feels this wasn't a bug after all? This basically screams like another forum attention stunt by the Goons & co. The point isnt to delete the alliance to be punitive, but rather that Kenzoku would have had to disband itself and pay the fees / lose sov to reform. Disbanding bob reloaded merely mitigates the damage done. Sure, it isn't a big deal but its fair Two things. First of all, I understand that BoB would normally need to pay the 1b and lose all sov to do this, which is the reason for this outcry (well that's debatable, but that's the front used at the very least). They probably asked to have the name changed, most likely expecting nothing to happen, but it did. Why is this something BoB should be punished for? I don't understand why you would punish the person requesting this, in the same way I wouldn't understand punishing someone requesting a new ship because a bug caused them to lose their original ship. The fault quite clearly lies with CCP, for allowing something they perhaps shouldn't have. The fault does not lie with BoB for asking if this is something CCP will consider. Imagine you're still young and living with your parents, if you asked them if you could stay out late for one night, instead you get grounded for even asking if you could stay late, wouldn't you find that to be pretty unfair? To me this is the same kind of story, they asked, there's nothing wrong with asking this, it is a fairly reasonable request given the circumstances. One that maybe should not have been granted, but certainly not outrageous to ask. They did not force CCP to make this decision, nobody held a gun to their head (to my knowledge :P). Secondly, I'm not sure how massive of a rule violation this really is. I understand rules need to be followed, and I'm pretty strict on that personally, I cannot stand hypocrisy or dual standards for those things. However, I also have to acknowledge that it's impossible to write a rule to deal with every possible situation. I doubt that when they decided that no alliance shall be renamed unless it violates the naming policy, they considered a highly unlikely situation of a disband like this, with the name being claimed by another alliance, and everything that lead up to this whole ordeal. If there is no precedent for them denying previous alliances to which this happened (I honestly don't know if there's not), then I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to decide that this should be an exception to the rules, because of the circumstances (which are, quite frankly, far from ordinary or common). Of course the most obvious flaw there is that other alliances might "fake" a disband like this just to get a name of their choosing (although BoB did, at one point, pay for KenZoKu, and they did lose all their sov not too long ago). My point is simply that this is an extraordinary situation, and that the rules probably weren't written with a situation like this in mind.
Battle Tested The Arrow Project	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:38:00 - [627] Why does CCP continuously go above and beyond for BoB? This is outside of the boundaries for which CCP has even stated they would/wouldn't intervene....Just more proof of who gets the preferencial treatment from the developers/CSM's.....And to think that we actually pay to play.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:39:00 - [628] Originally by: Le Skunk In the light of CCPs conduct in the past - CCP needs to be interrogated over this The members of staff involved in the name change traced - and their actions audited The methods used by ex BOB to contact these members of staff identified (to assure correct channel were used) As such im giving this my nominal support - although it is possible CCP acted in good faith SKUNK Freak out much? This is ridiculous. Its an internet spaceship game. Not real life. Get over yourself. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
Kalie Erry GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:39:00 - [629] Edited by: Kalie Erry on 24/03/2009 01:40:51 -Alliance name > character limit -sov maintained -BoB was disbanded because the executor corp was setup to allow it CCP should: revert name / disband / remove sov & charge 1B ISK, and reprimand whichever employees decided this was a good idea.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:41:00 - [630] A bit of transparency here would be welcome.



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