Originally by: corebloodbrothers

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underlying message implies that the earlier goon action which lead to delve war II is started with eula breach itself, else there is no reason to adjust that mentioned "suffering"
if any this answer implies not BOB is getting a favor but are goons by not intefeering the first time, which is only corrected by a name change, and not by the punishment deserved for account sharing.

what does puzzle me that i wouldnt want to win any war liek this myself, it would be a victory with a stain forever. Whats next ? bribe ? hacking ? I never had so much fun in eve since war started, not the way it started, but the actual fun the game provides. As Bob directors stated on radio , we love the fight itself, thanks for that.
But this time now again, start with "take away their sov" , cause we cant hold on to delve, we get our asses kicked, weeeeee snif, mommieee look their name is changed , weee
get a new diaper and login eve instead of forums, and lets blow eachother up

Originally by: Iva Soreass

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Edited by: Iva Soreass on 24/03/2009 13:07:33

Originally by:
GM Grimmi

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Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weÆd like to take this opportunity to address those issues.

We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.

This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.


GM Grimmi

Lead Game Master

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Now cry more or emoragequit about it.

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Originally by: Cutie Chaser

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Originally by: Firdevsi

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We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe

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KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.

Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42

Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.

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rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?

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Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk

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Grown up people live by rules created by other people. So actually it's more then logical that we protest here, when some people somehow are allowed to live by a different set of rules then us, where we all apperently accepted the same eula and thus the rules created by ccp to play this game.

Kicking bob's arse isn't what this is about at all, if i kick bobr, kenny or bob, it's the players that i like to fight against, so i don't really care that they changed the name, but it annoys me that ccp once again, favors the same alliance which they have favored in the past, to allow something where other alliances had to disband and pay another bil to get their name right.

I mean why have rules in this game, when the company that created them doesn't even live by them.

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.

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Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk

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Originally by: Karezan

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And irl, just like in game, people can find over time that there are reasonable exceptions to rules, possibly even reasonable exceptions that were not accounted for when the rules were written.

What it comes down to is that you trust the entity that is supposed to uphold these rules to use fair judgment in those situations. If you do not trust CCP to do this, why do you keep supporting them by playing their game?

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If thats maybe true, then why weren't other alliances favored by this rule aswell, from what i read even -a- once had to disband and recreate their alliance, stain empire, which first was named stian empire, wasn't allowed a simple name change. It's the fact that again it's bob(r). I mean the disband happened fully within the game mechanics, no hacking or exploits were used, so why would they be allowed a name change again? That bob at the time was incompetent enough to let an afk director in tinfoil is something bob is supposed to be held responsible for, now they lost most of their systems and also their name, but it is all their own mistake and i don't see why some rules have to be bend.

Also the reason why i still pay and play this game is because of the people in my alliance and corporation, if they would leave, i'd be gone too.

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Originally by: corebloodbrothers

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underlying message implies that the earlier goon action which lead to delve war II is started with eula breach itself, else there is no reason to adjust that mentioned "suffering"
if any this answer implies not BOB is getting a favor but are goons by not intefeering the first time, which is only corrected by a name change, and not by the punishment deserved for account sharing.

what does puzzle me that i wouldnt want to win any war liek this myself, it would be a victory with a stain forever. Whats next ? bribe ? hacking ? I never had so much fun in eve since war started, not the way it started, but the actual fun the game provides. As Bob directors stated on radio , we love the fight itself, thanks for that.

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Originally by: Karezan

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Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk

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Originally by: Karezan

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And irl, just like in game, people can find over time that there are reasonable exceptions to rules, possibly even reasonable exceptions that were not accounted for when the rules were written.

What it comes down to is that you trust the entity that is supposed to uphold these rules to use fair judgment in those situations. If you do not trust CCP to do this, why do you keep supporting them by playing their game?

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If thats maybe true, then why weren't other alliances favored by this rule aswell, from what i read even -a- once had to disband and recreate their alliance, stain empire, which first was named stian empire, wasn't allowed a simple name change. It's the fact that again it's bob(r). I mean the disband happened fully within the game mechanics, no hacking or exploits were used, so why would they be allowed a name change again? That bob at the time was incompetent enough to let an afk director in tinfoil is something bob is supposed to be held responsible for, now they lost most of their systems and also their name, but it is all their own mistake and i don't see why some rules have to be bend.

Also the reason why i still pay and play this game is because of the people in my alliance and corporation, if they would leave, i'd be gone too.

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Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.

I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).

If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P

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Originally by: Karezan

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Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.

I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).

If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P

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Originally by: Kay Han

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CCP is gone one step to far with this ****.

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