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Xikulis
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:21:00 -
[1831]
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
I'm honestly confused here. Jade can you please explain in as much text as you possibly can how you can steal a name nobody is currently using? Again please make sure you use a giant wall of text because it seems to make you look important.
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Boknamar
Gallente
The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:23:00 -
[1832]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
PS not supported obviously since I believe the identity theft should have been reversed almost immediately and Band of Brothers invited to reform their alliance name and identity.
Ah, so instead of this rather minor abuse of their authority, you would prefer CCP have committed a much more significant abuse of their authority. 
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SpiderWebMayhem
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:24:00 -
[1833]
Originally by: Xikulis
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
I'm honestly confused here. Jade can you please explain in as much text as you possibly can how you can steal a name nobody is currently using? Again please make sure you use a giant wall of text because it seems to make you look important.
Bright colors and flashing images help too hth.
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Joakim Saxon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:26:00 -
[1834]
Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem
Bright colors and flashing images help too hth.
Yeah, us goonies have a terrible attention span. 
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Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:27:00 -
[1835]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
the former EVE alliance Everlasting Vendetta went to play WoW, their guild was disbanded and the name grabbed by another group of players before they could reform, I know it's absolutely astonishing that something like this has happened elsewhere in the MMO universe
keep using scary words like "steal" and "theft" to suggest goons did anything but capitalize on BoB stupidity and used anything but working-as-intended in-game mechanics to disband BoB and get their name
keep failing to see the difference between using in-game methods to achieve alliance goals and getting a GM to flip a switch to make changes to an alliance that are impossible for players to make on their own
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Shaelin Corpius
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:27:00 -
[1836]
Disband them or allow the rest of us to do the same.
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:28:00 -
[1837]
Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem
Bright colors and flashing images help too hth.
Even better maybe Jade could put it into the form of a song with some guitar, we could called it Jade Trolls Unplugged.
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Jessica Carnius
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:31:00 -
[1838]
I support this E-Drama
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Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:37:00 -
[1839]
Edited by: Captain Thunk on 25/03/2009 01:37:09
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
Actually you're wrong. It happened in Age of Conan. Two guilds who hated and despised each other had a long running conflict brought about from sharing a resource instance with each other. "Captain Morgan Society" eventually destroyed the enemy guild "The Fallen Guard" when the guild leader decided in a moment of drunken madness to rename the guild "rolving re tards" (no idea what 'rolving' means, I assume it was meant to be 'loving' or maybe 'revolving'). When this happened, one of the Captain Morgan Society guys dropped guild and immediately made a new guild stealing the guild name before they could change back. In the ensuing thread the action was actually compared to one you may find in Eve-Online and was deemed legal. It occured on one of the strict roleplaying servers where Guild name, identity and reputation is probably more important than on a plain PvE or PvP server.
In essence it's little different, as SirMolle removed the safety checks ingame himself (shares for votes). Thus was vulnerable to such an action by his own making.
You can read about it here although tbh it's a pretty boring thread.
Captain Thunk
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Kalie Erry
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:40:00 -
[1840]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I recommend reading before posting.
Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
Please take the time to do so - that way we don't have to read your terrible posts for awhile.
Oh yeah, and here's something to think about while you're reading:
-KenZoku was formed several months before BoB was disbanded
-Former BoB corps could have created an alliance with the revised name
-GoonSwarm has had several director-level spies and hasn't been disbanded
-BoB was only disbanded because their executor corp was structured for quick & easy access
-Get out.
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Snot Shot
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:50:00 -
[1841]
GoonSwarm before "Agtard Gate" = 
GoonSwarm after "Agtard Gate" =
GoonSwarm after "Molle Gate" =    
Thank you,
Dr. Shot
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Jouras
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:51:00 -
[1842]
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McDaddy Pimp
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:59:00 -
[1843]
Edited by: McDaddy Pimp on 25/03/2009 01:58:55
So BOB had 2 choices after they were disbanded
A. Join Kenzoku, instant alliance and sov.
B. Make new alliance , with a better name and pay one bil. (Don`t know about a sov mechanics concerning a newly created alliance, hope someone can explain)
They decided for A and they get their instant alliance. But now they decide want to do B instead, and GM allowed that.
Seems like cheating to me
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:59:00 -
[1844]
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Jarbis Leed
Pan-Corporate Productions
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:03:00 -
[1845]
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"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone."
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Ermey
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:07:00 -
[1846]
Same rules for everyone.
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Nosferatou
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:18:00 -
[1847]
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:23:00 -
[1848]
Originally by: Kalie Erry
Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:28:00 -
[1849]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kalie Erry
Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
The most supported thread in the Assembly Hall should be dismissed in a puff of smoke.
You obviously have no faith in the CSM. Can you remember why it was created?
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Wu Liao
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:29:00 -
[1850]
There is no reason why the GMs should change Kenzoku's name simply because "it's not the right name".
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Mzr
Gallente
Session9
Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:40:00 -
[1851]
Edited by: Mzr on 25/03/2009 02:43:43
My case: After a few months of playing S9 ticker became available (didn't had it at that time). Kindly asked 2 times the GMs to give it to my corp since no-one was using it. "No, can't do!" So I had to close the corp - move all assets to corp members, get out/kick all corp members, and finally leave the corp only to re-do it 10min later with the ticker we wanted.
Other examples:
Stian Empire was created. Someone noticed the typo, told CCP. CCP told them to disband the alliance (and getting no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name correctly.
black 0ut was created. Someone realized how dumb this was, and so they asked CCP to change it to Black Out. CCP told them no, and that they'd have to disband the alliance (and get no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name the way they wanted to.
Against All Authorities had a slight mishap where someone didn't pay the maintenance build. They lost all their sovereignty, had to recreate the alliance, and had to once again front the 1b isk fee. CCP did not reimburse any of that.
BoBR's case: The EULA cleary doesn't give you ANY rights to have your alliance name changed. As for bad game mecanics when BoB was first dismantled, it was no-ones fault (in-game), the same faulty game mecanics apply to EVERYONE in-game (other alliances can suffer the same fate sooner or later - until CCP changes something).
The name itself has little importance (you can have yer old name back for all I care). But bending the EULA rules, still going strong for sov3 in some systems and not paying the 1bn bill - these FACTS clearly put CCP in a delicate position AGAIN because it clearly shows BoBR plays this game by one set of rules and us the rest by another set.
First among equals.
And lets make one thing clear, this is not BoBR's fault. This is a CCP failure, because they still want to interfere in Eve politics. Why is this happening.. idk, the only logical conclusion is that some people with A LOT of decisional power in CCP still have strong ties with BoBR. After the T20 problems, I sincerely doubt even lead GMs do something big like this without asking permision from the head-honchos.
Eve is not CCP's love-child anymore, it's a cash cow. And it shows. Milk it while you can. However some people will never understand that money, even BIG money can be made in a number of ways. It doesn't have to be like this.
If CSM has any voice whatsoever this issues will be on their agenda. And yes Internal Affairs should be notified about this, they should get mails from as many peeps as possible. Be decent, civil, but have a voice. Mail them!
Btw, BoBR I hope you understand why a lot of Eve hates you now. It's not yer so-called elitism. It's the cheating you need to resort to in order to win something, it's the lenghts you go to bend the rules.
As for sending us out for a walk in RL so we don't moan about internet spaceshipz business.. How about you follow yer own advice, and when you come back at the keyboard you try to play the game fair-play (and have some phun while you're at it).
The irony is that it's not gonna matter in the end. Enough entities in-game have the means now to take you down completely and keep you down. You're not the elitist alliance you once were. You're just average now (as A LOT of other peeps got into A LOT of caps now).
Fame lasts 15min, infamy lasts a bit longer.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:44:00 -
[1852]
Originally by: Lady Karma
The most supported thread in the Assembly Hall should be dismissed in a puff of smoke.
You obviously have no faith in the CSM. Can you remember why it was created?
I have no faith in Goons  Thats an entirely different matter. CSM was created (amongst other things) to provide oversight on correct goings on inside CCP in their relations to the community. In this case a GM has provided a response to the community and a decision has been made.
This thread represents a standard goon threadnaught trying to bully out advantage in Eve by threatening to damage CCP's PR on the internets.
Nobody should cave in to bullying.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Wu Liao
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:48:00 -
[1853]
Originally by: Mzr
Edited by: Mzr on 25/03/2009 02:43:43
A good synopsis of the issue at hand
Excellently put, at the very least CCP needs to go into more detail about how Kenzoku is different from any of the cases mentioned.
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Saggy Glands
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:50:00 -
[1854]
Originally by: Xikulis
I'm honestly confused here. Jade can you please explain in as much text as you possibly can how you can steal a name nobody is currently using? Again please make sure you use a giant wall of text because it seems to make you look important.
Lol, as if the intention of the 'HURRY UP AND CREATE A CORP' wasn't to steal BOB's identity solely to rub salt into some virtual pixel wound. One only needs to look at the silly toon names that post from said corp to see through that charade. This whine fest has nothing to do with CCP this or GM that. It's everything to do with the fact that BOB now has some of their identity restored.
I agree 100% with Jade Contantine and others that the original corp name theft should not have been allowed to stand. Rename the childish goon corp to BOBR and BOBR to BOB. At that point all will be well in the world of Eve.
Still It's hilarious to see the goons and their northern nut cuppers stamp their feet like little children and spam the forums. They someone think that making a billion threads and filling them with a billion posts from goons, goon alts and goon nut cuppers it's the same as having a thought worth listening to.
Last year it was spamming the forums trying to get Jade Contantine removed as CSM president and your own ******* put in. Last week it was 'wahhh isd didn't report us sitting outside a station for a month picking our noses.' Now it's "wahhhh, bob has their identity back no fair we stole their name proper like." It'll be something different next week. The whineswarm will always continue.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:52:00 -
[1855]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I have no faith in Goons Thats an entirely different matter.
You make that quite clear in your many rambling posts. Maybe you should have a glance at some of the pages in this thread. Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
You have made your point several times that you don't like Goons, we understand, maybe you are envious of their success, I don't know.
Please stop trolling this thread like it was CAOD.
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Gus Jones
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:56:00 -
[1856]
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Lothar Krellum
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:57:00 -
[1857]
Originally by: SFShootme
/cutwrists?
(ingame offc)
Another BOBR shows the mentality of a 5 year old. Stop posting SFSFailme. You are only making yourself look an idiot.
In Memory of Ayrton Senna Da Silva, 29th March 1960 - 1st May 1994 "Simply the best" |
Spectre Seti
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:59:00 -
[1858]
Originally by: Saggy Glands
The whineswarm will always continue.
Sad truth !!!
Btw I do not support this.
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Kinet
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:07:00 -
[1859]
My 2 cents...
.01 - Bob chose to rename to Ken for a reason, it gave them control over some portions of space or something. It didnt work out and eventually GOONs took even that away from them. If BOB had created a new name and got no benefit from it then I would agree the new name change is irrelevent but thats not the case, BOB benefited from using the Ken name so they should be stuck with it.
.01 - It didnt take CCP two months to figure out that BOB was disbanded using legal game mechanics and that GOONs took the BOB name. If this was an abuse of the game mechanics then it should have been dealt with in the first two weeks. It ticks me off that CCP waited for the Ken thing to go bad (ie. get their butts handed to them by GS) and THEN decided to let them change their name.
Disclaimer - The opinions expressed here reflect my own personal opinion and NOT the views of my corp or the CVA alliance.
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Ukiah
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:11:00 -
[1860]
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