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VoiceInTheDesert Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Azirapheal jamming ecm has become the "godmode" of the game. Lol. Quote: the number of times ive been engaging a target and even in close fights it comes up "jammed" lo and behold, the falcon ALT fking hate them So you havent realised nothing will change in this type of fight? Who cares about "solo" pvp anymore. What you are really ****ed at is the ability to run multiple accounts. It will change solo pvp in lowsec. No longer can you solo alt-tab your falcon at gates/stations to get the upper hand on 2-3 enemy ships. To me, that was the only area Falcons were truly OP since Sniper fits are so difficult to use in lowsec (no tank = dead to gate guns if not your enemies in about 10 seconds). I don't see the big deal with these changes. Falcons are being forced into range, that's all. They will still be effective, they just won't survive as many fights...welcome to the world of every other recon.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:00:00 - [32] Originally by: GTC seller72 Originally by: Alex Harumichi Sure. Give us 200km damps, webs and tracking disruptors. Please. Give us 100% gaurenteed multi racial jammers and its a deal... Damps only reduce lock range of a ship to autocannon/blaster range. Thus they're useless against anything but long range ships. ECM effectively reduces lock range to zero while resetting your lock timer. A jam hit means 20s + lock time before the ECM victim can do anything again. Which can vary from 1s or less to 20. So you effectively get a 20-40 second reprieve per jam. And it breaks existing locks. Damps don't break existing locks like ECM does either. Once they have a lock your targeting res damp accomplishes absolutely nothing. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request
Caldose	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Once they have a lock your targeting res damp accomplishes absolutely nothing. lol, oh so it's only after they have a lock that stat becomes useless
NullRazor Minmatar GEOSALVAGE FOUNDRIES	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:25:00 - [34] I think if these changes are going into effect, then the least they could do is give all Recons the ability to use the cov ops cloak again... along with the Stealth(not) Bomber.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Damps only reduce lock range of a ship to autocannon/blaster range. Thus they're useless against anything but long range ships. No, they are great unless you are daft enough to use them and then fly into a range the ship can lock you. You can "perma damp" a ships lock range or even "perma TD" its gun range and in some cases "perma web" a ship to a range they are utterly ineffective against you. Cos they cannot lock you if you are using damps and keep your range, or hit you at your range due to the TD or again get close enough to hit you if they are webbed, while you can sit back in any of the recons who use those systems and chew through them. These are gaurenteed effects and tactics that cannot ever fail in the ships that use thems optimals if those ships are used correctly, they are true "perma" effects not the exhagerations of ppl who got ganked by a gang with a falcon in it.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:18:00 - [36] Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 25/03/2009 18:37:16 Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Damps only reduce lock range of a ship to autocannon/blaster range. Thus they're useless against anything but long range ships. No, they are great unless you are daft enough to use them and then fly into a range the ship can lock you. You can "perma damp" a ships lock range or even "perma TD" its gun range and in some cases "perma web" a ship to a range they are utterly ineffective against you. Cos they cannot lock you if you are using damps and keep your range, or hit you at your range due to the TD or again get close enough to hit you if they are webbed, while you can sit back in any of the recons who use those systems and chew through them. These are gaurenteed effects and tactics that cannot ever fail in the ships that use thems optimals if those ships are used correctly, they are true "perma" effects not the exhagerations of ppl who got ganked by a gang with a falcon in it. Now with the falcons range nerf along with its str nerf because of the SDA nerf they are going to fail a LOT of jams and on even more ships than they do now as they can only actually "perma" jam ships with lower sig str than they have jam str, and those are very few now let alone after the SDA gimp. Learn to read. Base ecm strength is gonna get higher to compensate for SDA change. So falcon will probably have higher jamming strength. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Trathen Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:20:00 - [37] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert They will still be effective, they just won't survive as many fights...welcome to the world of every other ship. fixed _
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:34:00 - [38] Edited by: maralt on 25/03/2009 19:34:13 Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 25/03/2009 18:37:16 Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Damps only reduce lock range of a ship to autocannon/blaster range. Thus they're useless against anything but long range ships. No, they are great unless you are daft enough to use them and then fly into a range the ship can lock you. You can "perma damp" a ships lock range or even "perma TD" its gun range and in some cases "perma web" a ship to a range they are utterly ineffective against you. Cos they cannot lock you if you are using damps and keep your range, or hit you at your range due to the TD or again get close enough to hit you if they are webbed, while you can sit back in any of the recons who use those systems and chew through them. These are gaurenteed effects and tactics that cannot ever fail in the ships that use thems optimals if those ships are used correctly, they are true "perma" effects not the exhagerations of ppl who got ganked by a gang with a falcon in it. Now with the falcons range nerf along with its str nerf because of the SDA nerf they are going to fail a LOT of jams and on even more ships than they do now as they can only actually "perma" jam ships with lower sig str than they have jam str, and those are very few now let alone after the SDA gimp. Learn to read. Base ecm strength is gonna get higher to compensate for SDA change. So falcon will probably have higher jamming strength. I saw that...... Quote: altering either the base strength of the jammers or the ECM strength bonus of the ships so they become less required in every setup and the low slots could be used for tanking for example. But looking at the rest of the post they chose the ships as the falcon got a 25% boost. Anyway it does not change the facts in my post or the fact that ECM would still br chance based compared to the other relyable system effects. Is picking out unimportant details all you got from that post?...learn not to troll unimportant details..
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:49:00 - [39] Chance based or not it will mitigate more dps from the hostile gang then any other recon which is all that matters. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2009.03.25 20:04:00 - [40] Originally by: General Coochie Chance based or not it will mitigate more dps from the hostile gang then any other recon which is all that matters. It will be thrown on the scrap heap just like the other recons have been... when ppl consider ships for gang vs gang fighting they do not think recon unless its the falcon and thats because of its range and with that gone so is it.

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