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Advice Dog
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:16:00 -
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At one point or another all of the recons have been FOTM. nos and amarr before the nos nerf, damps and gal before the damp nerf, webs and minnie before the speed/web nerf and ofc ECM as cal (which hasnt changed yet obv). Notice a pattern, ecm is a powerfull weapon of war and it should stay so in Eve.
The continuing assault on ecm and ecm boats will be to the detriment of the playerbase
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:18:00 -
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Do you really want a Pilgrim that can neut you from 200km or an Arazu putting a point on you from the same?
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
SkyLordUK
Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:23:00 -
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this ECM nerf is long over due falcons are atm the end game for fleets as once they start jamming you from 200+km they is next to nothing ya can do about it except die to his mates now though after the patch the falcon pilot has to VERY carefully choose his jam targets to make sure he isnt instawtfbbqpwnd by the opposite fleet sitting 70km off him
Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: SkyLordUK though after the patch the falcon pilot has to get in his zealot and snipe with the rest of us
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SkyLordUK
Amarr Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLordUK on 24/03/2009 23:31:58 Edited by: SkyLordUK on 24/03/2009 23:31:48
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: SkyLordUK though after the patch the falcon pilot has to get in his zealot and snipe with the rest of us
what she sed too
Edit: come to think of it i can do both
Sky. ---------------------------------------------- Jumping Gates is like a box of sweets
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:57:00 -
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Moved to Ships & Modules.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:01:00 -
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ECM in Eve is a pile of tosh. I hate it and wish it had never been introduced.
In every other game I play the crowd control mechanisms have some shortcomings. Either you become immune to them after being hit by them or the crowd contol effect is cancelled by damage.
This means that the victims of a crowd control effect do not sit there helpless, picking fluff from their belly buttons while they get destroyed.
But if you get a good Falcon pilot he can jam you from over 100km and his target has no effective response to this and can only hope that his gang mates can win without him. This is a frustrating position to be in and one that I really hope the developers do something about it.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres ECM in Eve is a pile of tosh. I hate it and wish it had never been introduced.
In every other game I play the crowd control mechanisms have some shortcomings. Either you become immune to them after being hit by them or the crowd contol effect is cancelled by damage.
This means that the victims of a crowd control effect do not sit there helpless, picking fluff from their belly buttons while they get destroyed.
But if you get a good Falcon pilot he can jam you from over 100km and his target has no effective response to this and can only hope that his gang mates can win without him. This is a frustrating position to be in and one that I really hope the developers do something about it.
TBH you're effectively just asking for a different ECM mechanic - probably more akin to damps or TD's. I'm +1 to this. But for now.... this is what we have, and CCP doesn't seem terribly interested in changing it.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres ECM in Eve is a pile of tosh. I hate it and wish it had never been introduced.
In every other game I play the crowd control mechanisms have some shortcomings. Either you become immune to them after being hit by them or the crowd contol effect is cancelled by damage.
This means that the victims of a crowd control effect do not sit there helpless, picking fluff from their belly buttons while they get destroyed.
But if you get a good Falcon pilot he can jam you from over 100km and his target has no effective response to this and can only hope that his gang mates can win without him. This is a frustrating position to be in and one that I really hope the developers do something about it.
This is true. Almost every other MMO has serious, clearly visible, and balanced drawbacks to CC. But I guess EVE is special. What I like even more is that the Scorp is becoming a short range "brawler", when it clearly can't tank with ECM in the mids. But I guess it should use the lows for an armor tank, since SDAs might get changed and "the low slots could be used for tanking for example". Oh the hilarity.
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Solid Prefekt
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 25/03/2009 02:55:21 I am soooo going to enjoy all the tears. Please keeps the posts/topics coming.
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Grohalmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:53:00 -
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The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
It is way too easy right now, because of the range of falcons, to alt tab away from your falcon alt while he perma jams a whole gang and if they start to get close to him you have plenty of time to alt tab back and get him out.
With the new changes you are gonna have to choose whether to maintain that comfortable alt-tab range but suffer a ROF penalty, or stick your alt in the fight which would be real tough for an alt tabber to do.
I like the change because it will actually force people to fly the ship. Sure the Caldari are gonna whine and whine, but in the end it might just make flying it more fun.
(CREDIT RONAN JACQUES)
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MidnightMartyr
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:08:00 -
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Can we please just get an official falcon whine thread so we don't see 20 falcon whine threads every day?
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GTC seller72
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grohalmatar
It is way too easy right now, because of the range of falcons, to alt tab away from your falcon alt while he perma jams a whole gang and if they start to get close to him you have plenty of time to alt tab back and get him out.
Seems to me that the easy thing to do is exhagerate the jamming abilities of the falcon....
Originally by: Grohalmatar With the new changes you are gonna have to choose whether to maintain that comfortable alt-tab range but suffer a ROF penalty, or stick your alt in the fight which would be real tough for an alt tabber to do.
Actually the new changes are going to make the falcon as useless in med sized gang combat as the other recon ships. The rook however may still have possabilities using its longer range...
Although why give the ranged ecm ship the drone bay and not the close range one????...
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Advice Dog At one point or another all of the recons have been FOTM. nos and amarr before the nos nerf, damps and gal before the damp nerf, webs and minnie before the speed/web nerf and ofc ECM as cal (which hasnt changed yet obv). Notice a pattern, ecm is a powerfull weapon of war and it should stay so in Eve.
The continuing assault on ecm and ecm boats will be to the detriment of the playerbase
Sure. Give us 200km damps, webs and tracking disruptors. Please.
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GTC seller72
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Advice Dog At one point or another all of the recons have been FOTM. nos and amarr before the nos nerf, damps and gal before the damp nerf, webs and minnie before the speed/web nerf and ofc ECM as cal (which hasnt changed yet obv). Notice a pattern, ecm is a powerfull weapon of war and it should stay so in Eve.
The continuing assault on ecm and ecm boats will be to the detriment of the playerbase
Sure. Give us 200km damps, webs and tracking disruptors. Please.
Give us 100% gaurenteed multi racial jammers and its a deal...
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:57:00 -
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Its not like this is the end of ecm...
Its just not -that- uber anymore. It will only be quite uber.
Still better then all the other recons, so yeah go through with the nerf AND buff some of the other recons.
Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
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Advice Dog
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Advice Dog At one point or another all of the recons have been FOTM. nos and amarr before the nos nerf, damps and gal before the damp nerf, webs and minnie before the speed/web nerf and ofc ECM as cal (which hasnt changed yet obv). Notice a pattern, ecm is a powerfull weapon of war and it should stay so in Eve.
The continuing assault on ecm and ecm boats will be to the detriment of the playerbase
Sure. Give us 200km damps, webs and tracking disruptors. Please.
OK... thats the point you cretin, otherwise the game is simply warp in ctrl+click F1 warp out or die. ta daaaaaaa! pimp damps back to their awesomeness, get rid of the terribad NOS cap balance effect and sort TP's out to radiclly increase damage or maybe bleed over to attack systems a la overcharge.
Add a few more ewar skills in to get up to the full effectiveness of the module so we havent all wasted our time training for T2 guns. Eve fixed, put the kettle on and skin up.
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Polenve
Caldari Death's Phalanx
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Polenve on 25/03/2009 10:00:59 Falcons are like hot women. Don't cry because you don't have one, just go get your own.
You can't nerf the falcon. Caldari ships are in the middle of the pack on just about everything, speed, tanking, damage... This makes them the worst PVP race, especially since missiles got nerfed. ECM is the one thing that make Caldari worth training in. nerfing falcons, would make Caldari extinct in the PVP world.
For all those who cry about falcons, fit an ECCM, or learn some fleet tactics to counter them.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:07:00 -
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Caldari has lots of good ships, even if they had only craptastic ships as you say, it doesn't justify one ship being totally game breaking and shaping how everyone in eve fights.
I can't understand how ppl think its ok that everyone has to change their tactics, fleet setups, fits, because of ONE ship. Ok if more ships had this impact. But we are talking about one ship that changes how everyone plays this game. It doesn't matter if its all it can do, or if all other ships of that race sucks, or if its pink and has flowers painted on it. One ship shouldn't have that affect over the game play.
Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightMartyr Can we please just get an official falcon whine thread so we don't see 20 falcon whine threads every day?
We've been seeing 20 falcon whines a day since ever. Why object now?
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TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: MidnightMartyr Can we please just get an official falcon whine thread so we don't see 20 falcon whine threads every day?
We've been seeing 20 falcon whines a day since ever. Why object now?
Previously it was annoying 20 anti-falcon whines a day... now its 20 anti-nerf whines. Keep the tears coming.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:03:00 -
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Welcome to the loss page of the killboard Falcons, hope you enjoy your stay.
All the other Recons have already been balanced, only the ECM boats were missing.
Post-QR and the speed changes the extreme ranges ECM operates at has no viable counters except for 3-4 ECCM modules and/or 100% sniper fitted BS (ie. no tank).
Recon piloting (Gallente/Matar/Amarr) has always been a specialist occupation (player skill - not SP), why on Earth should Caldari keep their free pass?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:27:00 -
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hummm...? when did the curse get nerfed..? - putting the gist back into logistics |
Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider hummm...? when did the curse get nerfed..?
I think they are spinning the NOS nerf as the curse nerf...
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: MidnightMartyr Can we please just get an official falcon whine thread so we don't see 20 falcon whine threads every day?
We've been seeing 20 falcon whines a day since ever. Why object now?
Previously it was annoying 20 anti-falcon whines a day... now its 20 anti-nerf whines. Keep the tears coming.
Tears?
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Azirapheal
Amarr Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Azirapheal on 25/03/2009 14:58:26
Originally by: Grohalmatar The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
i like this statement so much its getting sigged.
i dont mind dedicated pilots, that have chosen to sacrifice their offensive abilities to aid their fellow fleeties. logistics pilots o7 i salute thee, command ship pilots o7 thanks for the bonuses.
jamming ecm has become the "godmode" of the game. no other ecm completely shuts the enemy down. damps fail if your too close, turret destabilisers are useless at range and target painters only make you easier to hit, they dont remove your ability to do anything but sit there
the number of times ive been engaging a target and even in close fights it comes up "jammed" lo and behold, the falcon ALT
fking hate them
Originally by: Grohalmatar The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
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joshmorris
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: joshmorris on 25/03/2009 17:00:06
Originally by: Advice Dog At one point or another all of the recons have been FOTM. nos and amarr before the nos nerf, damps and gal before the damp nerf, webs and minnie before the speed/web nerf and ofc ECM as cal (which hasnt changed yet obv). Notice a pattern, ecm is a powerfull weapon of war and it should stay so in Eve.
The continuing assault on ecm and ecm boats will be to the detriment of the playerbase
Actually nos was used on basically every ship... so were damps ... and speed nerf hit everybody ....... and ecm used to be very powerfull but got nerfed ages ago , Nano multispec ecm nos domi's any1 ? So just using recons as an example doesnt help the other ships it effects.
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joshmorris
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: joshmorris on 25/03/2009 16:59:53 double.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Azirapheal
jamming ecm has become the "godmode" of the game.
Lol.
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the number of times ive been engaging a target and even in close fights it comes up "jammed" lo and behold, the falcon ALT
fking hate them
So you havent realised nothing will change in this type of fight? Who cares about "solo" pvp anymore. What you are really ****ed at is the ability to run multiple accounts. And yea this is my sig. |
Azirapheal
Amarr Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Azirapheal
jamming ecm has become the "godmode" of the game.
Lol.
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the number of times ive been engaging a target and even in close fights it comes up "jammed" lo and behold, the falcon ALT
fking hate them
So you havent realised nothing will change in this type of fight? Who cares about "solo" pvp anymore. What you are really ****ed at is the ability to run multiple accounts.
partially, but at least now the falcon alt will have to be in range of my mate warping in instead of 200km away making me pick my belly button out of boredom as they chew through 30kEHP
Originally by: Grohalmatar The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
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