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Kelani Teros
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:44:00 -
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Looking for the best cruiser for all around use pvp and pve. Or are cruisers just a waste and i should save up for something else?
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:47:00 -
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Cruisers are good,but theres no 'best' in eve really. Depends on the situation.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:11:00 -
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Cruisers are awesome in the hands of a decent pilot, and there's no such thing as "best" in EVE (BY DESIGN) - if there is a momentary "best" something, it will soon be "nerfed". But in EVE, you do have "best at <specific task>".
For instance, Caracal is best at using missiles, so it's very good for low-level PvE and a degree of PvP added firepower at range (if the targets are pinned down). Or, the Vexor and Arbitrator are also quite decent low-level PvE boats, if you have good drone skills (which take longer to perfect than missile skills, but the result is, by some people's opinion arguably better). Thorax is one of the favourite cheap PVP ships in EVE, able to deal impressive amounts of damage at point-blank range. Stabber and Rupture are also quite decent PVP ships, first emphasizing mobility, the latter firepower (and the latter is a favorite ship for some renowned PVPers).
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 25/03/2009 10:09:28 He asked for the best all around Cruiser and not for the best Cruiser.
In terms of a good all rounder, I gotta give it either to Arbitrator or Vexor since they are the most flexible T1 Cruisers and are able to perform many roles.
For T2, Ishtar/Crurse/Pilgrim are very flexible.
They are all pretty much the same, except the look and their bonis and can perform lots of roles.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Empyrean Shipping
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 25/03/2009 10:06:54 He asked for the best all around Cruiser and not for the best Cruiser.
In terms of a good all rounder, I gotta give it either to Arbitrator or Vexor since they are the most flexible T1 Cruisers and are able to perform many roles.
As one who flies a Vexor, I'd say an Arbitrator is slightly better given its more flexible slot layout.
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Joh Lan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kelani Teros Looking for the best cruiser for all around use pvp and pve.
Each race has at least one decent cruiser. Minmatar and Gallente has at least 2 good ones, so they are slightly better on cruiser level than Caldari and Amarr.
Originally by: Kelani Teros Or are cruisers just a waste and i should save up for something else?
In pvp they are probably the most bang for the buck ships. In pve all they are good for are lvl2 missions which is not a lot.
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Laur Khal
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:57:00 -
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i'd vote Vexor, simply because of the +drone bonus and the flexibility drones offer.
can be fit as close-range, high DPS blaster/drone ship with either ECM or damage drones, medium range rail/drone boat, neut/nos cap-denial, salvager/tractor semi-AFK mission ship, decent cheap leeroy PVP ship etc. with mining drones and cargo extenders, you can even mine in it half-decently.
5 highs, 3 meds, 4 lows, and a bonus to drones and med hybrid turrets. you can't go wrong.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Laur Khal i'd vote Vexor, simply because of the +drone bonus and the flexibility drones offer.
can be fit as close-range, high DPS blaster/drone ship with either ECM or damage drones, medium range rail/drone boat, neut/nos cap-denial, salvager/tractor semi-AFK mission ship, decent cheap leeroy PVP ship etc. with mining drones and cargo extenders, you can even mine in it half-decently.
5 highs, 3 meds, 4 lows, and a bonus to drones and med hybrid turrets. you can't go wrong.
I endorse this product or service.
Although that said I see the Calamari militia using Caracal swarms to good effect in FW and they're dandy for missions.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:54:00 -
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humm i'd still vote for a guardian - or two - putting the gist back into logistics |
Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation Magnum Opus.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:38:00 -
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Rupture.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:40:00 -
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Vexor for sure!
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sukmanobov
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Leviathan Rupture.
agreed.
Great alrounder enough PG/CPU, ok drone bay x5 T2 lights, Armor tanks well, but AC's/Arties do need diffrant ammo tho, Speed can be abit lacking but brought inline will other race ships
Remember to do Weapon upgrades to about lvl 5 it will help with fitting a good tank and a ok Gank
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 25/03/2009 10:09:28 He asked for the best all around Cruiser and not for the best Cruiser.
There is no best all-round cruiser either. How can there be an all-rounder when they are designed to vary from each other and for different purposes? At best do you need to be blind to all the options and to think there is an all-round solution.
In terms of Gallente: The Celestis is for e-war&missiles, the Exequror for mining&transport&support, the Thorax for fast&close combat and the Vexor is for drones.
If you think the Vexor is a good all-rounder then take a second look, please. It only has three mid-slots, it is as slow as the Exequror, it has got, next to the Exequror, the weakest sensor strength and CPU output, and only an average power grid output. All the Vexor can do is to wait and tank, and hope that its drones don't get destroyed or that it doesn't get jammed or dampened. With the second largest cargo is it a great ship for PvE - just dock at the nearest station and fit it for salvaging.
Any PvPer, however, who takes the time to shot the drones of a Vexor first or has the mid-slots for e-war will make life in a Vexor hard. But if all-round means you are lazy then it is the solution. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Lt Angus
Caldari End Game. Dead End.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:26:00 -
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arbitrator please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: crockett EXE on 25/03/2009 18:33:07 I haven't flown many cruisers, but I like my Rupture. It has a pretty hard hit even with T1 guns and carries quite a few drones. Add in a second one and a pair can do a lot of damage together in PVP.
As for PVE.. me and my corp-mate are currently out in 0.0 space ratting to make ISK and get our sec status up. We are both flying Ruptures and have been doing fine with them.
Hell I went out by myself and was taking on the dual battleship spawns with the 1 mil bounties. It's tough to do alone but the Rupture seems to do pretty good at it, considering it's just a cruiser.
As a side note I'm interrested in playing with the Vexor once I get my drone skills up and the Thorax seems to be a good in PVPer as well.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:37:00 -
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I only flew Ruptures so far, but I am doing everything with them: PvE, PvP, fleet PvP, coffee, pizza.
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 25/03/2009 18:58:27
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I only flew Ruptures so far, but I am doing everything with them: PvE, PvP, fleet PvP, coffee, pizza.
Nerf the Rupture!
Seriously though, by 'all round' I think the OP meant a ship which is flexible enough to be used for all sorts of things in EvE - PvP, ratting, missions, even mining!
I would have to go with the Rupture because (as with most Matari ships) it's main strength is it's versatility.
However, both the Vexor and Arbi come a very close joint second since Drone boats are the most versatile ships in the game (just look at the Ishtar and the Curse to see what I mean!)
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.25 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 25/03/2009 20:34:47 Arbi or Vexor, leaning a little to arbi over Vexor. Mainly because arbi has a bigger drone bay so can fit a wider assortment of drone types.
Drone boats are best all around because they can cover the most roles at once and are most flexible. In a drone ship I can RR/DPS/EW/Mine all with one fit.
Vexor has more of a DPS orientation, smaller drone bay, and one less mid slot, so I consider it slightly DPS over utility. But still a very good all rounder. The TD bonus for the arby is great because I can can cripple someone's guns so they can't shoot my drones, or me. Against a missile boat a Vexor would do better than an Arby though. So it evens out. Vexor also mines better than arby with 4 turrets rather than 2. --
Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.25 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Misina Arlath on 25/03/2009 21:22:50 Arby :S
The combination of tracking disruptor bonus, a nice fitting layout allowing flexible fits, not to mention the large dronebay, makes the Arby an ideal ship for all-around buisness.
The only things a (properly fitted) Arby struggles with in PvP are missileboats and, arguably, other droneships (depends how good each pilot is in the drone-vs-drone encounter). With the track disruptor bonus you can fly under the guns fairly easily against cruisers and larger ships, and the disruptor bonus makes it pretty much impossible for frigs to pop your drones as well.
In PvE you can fly the Arby like you would a Dominix. Fit for a hefty tank and use drones as your main DPS. If you try to fit turrets/launcher on the Arby to add in DPS ontop of your drones you sacrifice some tank, and being a Tier 1 cruiser it doesn't have much tank to go on.
Also, thanks to the large dronebay, you can keep a flight of ECM drones and use them as chaff as well if things go bad. Nothing saves the day more than throwing 5 x ECM drones in the face of whoever is scrambling you, then spam your warp button : ) Sure, drones are lost, but at least your ship is whole :)
Summarized:
The droneboats (arby/vexor) allows you to do both PvE and PvP, and do them both fairly well (depending of course on your skills). Other cruisers have a tendency to be either tank or gank type cruisers. Thorax is a prime example of a ship that is great in PvP, but not so great in PvE.
At the end of the day though, it's all down to preference and playstyle, since every ship in the game has pro's and con's which can be applied to almost any situation you put them in. It will be up to you to figure out which suits your needs.
I played EVE since early -04 and I still haven't settled on one ship that I fly above anything else. I love variation too much, and EVE really offers that :) But I will admit that Arbitrator is hands down one of the most fun (not to mention cheap) ships to fly. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!" |
Laur Khal
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Posted - 2009.03.25 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Laur Khal on 25/03/2009 22:43:18
Originally by: Whitehound All the Vexor can do is to wait and tank
garbage. just because there's a drone bonus doesn't mean you can't fit the highs with blasters/rails/neuts/nos to use the 5% dmg/level hybrid bonus, and/or fly ewar drones.
vexor has plenty of options, hence it's a good all-rounder.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.03.25 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 25/03/2009 23:00:51
Originally by: Laur Khal garbage. just because there's a drone bonus doesn't mean you can't fit the highs with blasters/rails/neuts/nos to use the 5% dmg/level hybrid bonus, and/or fly ewar drones.
vexor has plenty of options, hence it's a good all-rounder.
True, the Vexor is garbage, and it is not the drone bonus. It lacks the CPU power, the power grid, the speed, the shields, the armour, the sensor strength and the capacitor compared to the Thorax and has the larger signature, too. And e-war drones is what all cruisers can have. In fact, the e-war drones is all the Thorax needs for being a good combat cruiser. You have proven my point completely! The Vexor is for lazy people. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Joh Lan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
If you think the Vexor is a good all-rounder then take a second look, please. It only has three mid-slots, it is as slow as the Exequror, it has got, next to the Exequror, the weakest sensor strength and CPU output, and only an average power grid output. All the Vexor can do is to wait and tank, and hope that its drones don't get destroyed or that it doesn't get jammed or dampened. With the second largest cargo is it a great ship for PvE - just dock at the nearest station and fit it for salvaging.
Cargo bay, salvaging? Dude Vexor is the cruiser that has the highest potential dps with a gank fit. Slightly above 700.
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Laur Khal
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound In fact, the e-war drones is all the Thorax needs for being a good combat cruiser.
you realise you're posting in a thread called "best all-round cruiser" right? and that rambling about the thorax being a better combat cruiser than the vexor makes you look more than a little stupid, right?
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Groknor
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:45:00 -
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A lollicose
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Joh Lan
In pve all they are good for are lvl2 missions which is not a lot.
Bah, you can do L3s in a Caracal.
I'd go with the Caracal myself - it's got a massive range with heavy missiles, works nice for PvE, and if you do it right is a quite credible PvP option too.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.03.26 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Laur Khal you realise you're posting in a thread called "best all-round cruiser" right? and that rambling about the thorax being a better combat cruiser than the vexor makes you look more than a little stupid, right?
No, not really. The OP wants an all-round cruiser for PvP and PvE. You probably forgot that, didn't you? -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Laur Khal
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Posted - 2009.03.26 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound The OP wants an all-round cruiser for PvP and PvE. You probably forgot that, didn't you?
apparently, PVE includes missioning, mining, salvaging, and hauling, not just combat.
vexor is plain better for missions: 2 useful bonuses, flexible fitting, multi-selectable damage types, ability to fit tractor/salvage without sacrificing a lot of DPS, larger cargo... not even close.
vexor has more flexible fitting possiblities for PVP, and a higher DPS ceiling.
versatility does not automatically equal best. it does however, mean most versatile. with that i return you to the topic of the thread: versatility.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.03.26 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 26/03/2009 01:18:31
Originally by: Laur Khal apparently, PVE includes missioning, mining, salvaging, and hauling, not just combat.
vexor is plain better for missions: 2 useful bonuses, flexible fitting, multi-selectable damage types, ability to fit tractor/salvage without sacrificing a lot of DPS, larger cargo... not even close.
You don't need a Vexor for missions. The Exequror is good enough for missions and has a much larger cargo bay than the Vexor, which helps you better with manufacturing and trading. And the Exequror is a good support ship for PvP.
Quote: vexor has more flexible fitting possiblities for PVP, and a higher DPS ceiling.
What? A DPS ceiling? Fitting possibilities?? You forgot to mention that it has lots of room for dreamers and that it turns you into an ugly loser. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Solid Prefekt
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.26 01:48:00 -
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Go with the Zealot. You can use either Pulse or Beam for a close range or sniper HAC, you can insta change ammo types to further change range, and it has the best scan res of Hacs so you hit first. It is the most versatile of all the HACs.
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.26 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Solid Prefekt Go with the Zealot. You can use either Pulse or Beam for a close range or sniper HAC, you can insta change ammo types to further change range, and it has the best scan res of Hacs so you hit first. It is the most versatile of all the HACs.
This is patently untrue. Both the Sac and the Vaga have better scan resolutions than the Zealot, and the scan resolutions themselves are highly homogenized amongst the HACs.
Most HACs are so specialized that "versatility" is meaningless. A versatile ship is one capable of both a variety of rolls and multiple fitting styles to get there. HACs have multiple weapon bonuses and limited fitting; your options usually come down to long or short range, tank or nano (and buffer on both). The Ishtar is the only HAC that can be considered versatile due to its drones and slot layout. Every other HAC will be tanked a certain way and engage in a very stereotypical manner for that ship style.
If your going to stealth whine about Amarr, at least do it accurately.
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