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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.08.20 00:39:00 -
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I was checking these out earlier, and well erm, anyone else find them just a tad powerful? Massive armour bonus, enough to put the maller to shame, an incredible armament (4 anode ions?  ), one that has up to 10 light drones, making it invulnerabe to interceptors, as well as being the laggiest frigate ever... They are maddeningly powerful! And the skill reqs. are very low and basic in comparison to the Inties, most people are gonna be able to fly thse on release.
I mean what was the point of the cruiser balance if your gonna go release a bunch of frigates far superior to a cruiser in everyway? They have the added advantage of speed, and I hate to think how strong they'll be after the missile nerf where not even a Raven's super speedy cruise do diddly squat.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.08.20 00:39:00 -
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I was checking these out earlier, and well erm, anyone else find them just a tad powerful? Massive armour bonus, enough to put the maller to shame, an incredible armament (4 anode ions? ), one that has up to 10 light drones, making it invulnerabe to interceptors, as well as being the laggiest frigate ever... They are maddeningly powerful! And the skill reqs. are very low and basic in comparison to the Inties, most people are gonna be able to fly thse on release.
I mean what was the point of the cruiser balance if your gonna go release a bunch of frigates far superior to a cruiser in everyway? They have the added advantage of speed, and I hate to think how strong they'll be after the missile nerf where not even a Raven's super speedy cruise do diddly squat.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.20 00:45:00 -
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Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.20 00:45:00 -
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Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
Yes but before intie's who trained evasive lvl 5? Whereas engineering and mechanic lvl 5 are common place. Mathematically? fine, well thought out? not really.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
Yes but before intie's who trained evasive lvl 5? Whereas engineering and mechanic lvl 5 are common place. Mathematically? fine, well thought out? not really.
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
You mean both require a L5 Rank TWO skill? Unless the Frigate skills have suddenly gone from Rank 2 to Rank 3 on me again...
Idara
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
You mean both require a L5 Rank TWO skill? Unless the Frigate skills have suddenly gone from Rank 2 to Rank 3 on me again...
Idara
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
You mean both require a L5 Rank TWO skill? Unless the Frigate skills have suddenly gone from Rank 2 to Rank 3 on me again...
yeah yeah same thing you get the idea 
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
You mean both require a L5 Rank TWO skill? Unless the Frigate skills have suddenly gone from Rank 2 to Rank 3 on me again...
yeah yeah same thing you get the idea
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:46:00 -
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Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:46:00 -
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Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
It looks very pretty I bet.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
It looks very pretty I bet.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.08.20 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
You mean both require a L5 Rank TWO skill? Unless the Frigate skills have suddenly gone from Rank 2 to Rank 3 on me again...
Assault requires 1 frig skill (rank2) at V and 2 rank1 skills at V
Interceptor requires 1 frig skill (rank2) at V and 1 rank2 skill at V
...time and SP wise, both ships need the same ammount of training time
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.08.20 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Cruz
Skill requirments are not lighter then inties.
Assaults require 2 rank 1 skills and a rank 3 skill at lvl V, interceptors require one rank 2 skill and one rank 3 skill at lvl V. so skill wise they are the same.
And a cruiser would still wtfpwn an assault frigate.
You mean both require a L5 Rank TWO skill? Unless the Frigate skills have suddenly gone from Rank 2 to Rank 3 on me again...
Assault requires 1 frig skill (rank2) at V and 2 rank1 skills at V
Interceptor requires 1 frig skill (rank2) at V and 1 rank2 skill at V
...time and SP wise, both ships need the same ammount of training time
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.08.20 04:51:00 -
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I agree whole heartidly Frost the assault ships are amazing, besides the hefty price tag they will be much better than most cruisers could dream of :)
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.08.20 04:51:00 -
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I agree whole heartidly Frost the assault ships are amazing, besides the hefty price tag they will be much better than most cruisers could dream of :)
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:00:00 -
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Which skills are required for Assualt Frigates?
I only ask because I have been unable to log on for nearly 2 months, so I am unable to check.
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:00:00 -
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Which skills are required for Assualt Frigates?
I only ask because I have been unable to log on for nearly 2 months, so I am unable to check.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
And the Hawk and Harpy which just as hopelessly broken, with shield tanking the way it is now.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
And the Hawk and Harpy which just as hopelessly broken, with shield tanking the way it is now.
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Evona Moucrou
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Evona Moucrou on 20/08/2004 08:18:18
Edited by: Evona Moucrou on 20/08/2004 08:15:10
Comparing assault frig with tech1 cruiser.
Advantage of Tech 1 Cruisers
Higher offense vs medium/big ships: Cruisers still can fit bigger weapons with their bigger grid/cpu, have more cap, etc.
Better total-hp and repair potential for tanking: Technically higher total of structure/armor/shield, better repair/boosting due to more power.
Cruisers are fully covered by insurance.
Cruisers are close in weight to the trust power of their afterburner/mwds.
Disadvantage of Tech 1 Cruisers
Can not hit smaller stuff.
Advantage of Tech 2 Cruisers
Assault/Escord frigattes are marginally faster than cruisers.
Assault/Escort frigattes do have the scan-res/sig advantage over a cruiser though.
Can hit all sizes targets.
High resists.
Disadvantage of Tech 2 Cruisers
Very heavy compared to the trust of the frigatte afterburner/mwd.
Still only frigatte scale cap/power/cpu.
Insurance issues.
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Evona Moucrou
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Evona Moucrou on 20/08/2004 08:18:18
Edited by: Evona Moucrou on 20/08/2004 08:15:10
Comparing assault frig with tech1 cruiser.
Advantage of Tech 1 Cruisers
Higher offense vs medium/big ships: Cruisers still can fit bigger weapons with their bigger grid/cpu, have more cap, etc.
Better total-hp and repair potential for tanking: Technically higher total of structure/armor/shield, better repair/boosting due to more power.
Cruisers are fully covered by insurance.
Cruisers are close in weight to the trust power of their afterburner/mwds.
Disadvantage of Tech 1 Cruisers
Can not hit smaller stuff.
Advantage of Tech 2 Cruisers
Assault/Escord frigattes are marginally faster than cruisers.
Assault/Escort frigattes do have the scan-res/sig advantage over a cruiser though.
Can hit all sizes targets.
High resists.
Disadvantage of Tech 2 Cruisers
Very heavy compared to the trust of the frigatte afterburner/mwd.
Still only frigatte scale cap/power/cpu.
Insurance issues.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: NTRabbit
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
And the Hawk and Harpy which just as hopelessly broken, with shield tanking the way it is now.
Broken, are they?
Take for example a Hawk:
it has 225 CPU and 50 Grid
Take a Small shield booster II, cap recharger II, and 2*Magnetic scattering amplifier II, and 2 PDU on low slots
That take you 25+15+2*30+20+20=140 CPU at worst, leaving you 85 CPU and almost all the grid for the weapons.
That give you a shield tank able to recover 37.5 HP every two seconds, for 20 cap, with a fairly good cap recharge and the following shield resists:
EM: 61%
Exp:60%
Kin:70%
Therm:80%
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: NTRabbit
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah, they're all very powerful.
Except the Retribution which is hopelessly broken and without any application whatsoever.
And the Hawk and Harpy which just as hopelessly broken, with shield tanking the way it is now.
Broken, are they?
Take for example a Hawk:
it has 225 CPU and 50 Grid
Take a Small shield booster II, cap recharger II, and 2*Magnetic scattering amplifier II, and 2 PDU on low slots
That take you 25+15+2*30+20+20=140 CPU at worst, leaving you 85 CPU and almost all the grid for the weapons.
That give you a shield tank able to recover 37.5 HP every two seconds, for 20 cap, with a fairly good cap recharge and the following shield resists:
EM: 61%
Exp:60%
Kin:70%
Therm:80%
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Brute Helmet
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:57:00 -
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Dont say bad things about the retribution. To make up for the slightly lower firepower it has almost as much armor as a light cruiser, a gigantic (for a frigate) capacitor and 5! lowslots. 5 lowslots can be put to very good use on a ship with all that cap....
I would rather have a second medslot than a fifth turret slot. Basically a Retribution will do as much damage as a Crusader can, but is way tougher and more survivable. I find it more attractive than the Vengeance, and just as interesting as the Jaguar.
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Brute Helmet
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Posted - 2004.08.20 08:57:00 -
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Dont say bad things about the retribution. To make up for the slightly lower firepower it has almost as much armor as a light cruiser, a gigantic (for a frigate) capacitor and 5! lowslots. 5 lowslots can be put to very good use on a ship with all that cap....
I would rather have a second medslot than a fifth turret slot. Basically a Retribution will do as much damage as a Crusader can, but is way tougher and more survivable. I find it more attractive than the Vengeance, and just as interesting as the Jaguar.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:11:00 -
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It has a pathetic shield though, to make up for that huge armor. AFAIK hull + armor + shield is about the same on each of the ships.
Adding a second medslot, although nice, would make it just like any of the other assault frigs. Adding a fifth turret gives it a nice clear role.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2004.08.20 09:11:00 -
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It has a pathetic shield though, to make up for that huge armor. AFAIK hull + armor + shield is about the same on each of the ships.
Adding a second medslot, although nice, would make it just like any of the other assault frigs. Adding a fifth turret gives it a nice clear role.
/Elve
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