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Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:03:00 - [1] I was in udder shock when i found i could no longer mine freely in CFS space, there goes them rules about mining, gee. seems king raindrop has secured the region even more. Asteroid Resource Protection Bill v1 GOAL: This bill has the goal to reduce waste of resources, caused by strip/destructive mining. It is a very strict bill, since the military strength of CFS directly depends on efficient resource harvesting. STATUS: passed, in effect. DESCRIPTION: Persons, engaged in asteroid mining activites in the designated CFS regions, Delve, Querious and Period Base, hereafter called "miner(s)", should abide by several laws. Inability to follow these laws, can result in certain consequences. This bill only applies to high-end asteroids: Gneiss Dark ochre Spodumain Crokite Bistot Arkanor Mercoxit In this bill we will refer to the high-end asteroids, as "asteroid(s)" REGULATIONS All miners have to meet the following regulations: (even in groups) 1A) Frequent usage of a Survey scanner on the asteroid is mandatory. Frequent usage is considered to be around a 4-6 mining cycle interval. 1B) For proper usage of the Survey scanner, mining 5000m of the asteroid is mandatory 2) When the Survey scanner indicates that the asteroid contains around 600 units, discontinue mining on that asteroid 3) When detected popping an asteroid will result in additional penalties PENALTIES When a miner fails to comply with one of the above regulations, he is in violation of CFS law and should be handled accordingly. These persons are called hereafter a "violator" When a violator is detected, he and the corp should comply with the following orders: #1A) Warning - Halt mining operations immediately, until there is full compliance with this bill #1B) Corp - The CEO of the corp will be informed of the violation #2A) ROS - Failure to comply with order #1, will result in a ROS order #2B) Corp - The corp has to pay a fine of 10M to a to-be-appointed-CFS-official #3A) KOS - Failure to comply with order #2 and still in violation of the bill, will result in KOS #3B) Corp - The corp has to pay a fine of 25M to a to-be-appointed-CFS-official NOTE: When in violation of regulation #3, the corp has to pay an additional 25M fine to a to-be-appointed-CFS-official. #4) When a corporation fails to comply with the above orders, the council will be informed and they will take appropiate action. ENFORCEMENT This bill will be enforced by the military. The senate advies the military to create a special task force to enforce this bill. The pilots will use a Passive targetter and Ship scanner. Covert operations are allowed, in order to detect and apprehend a rogue miner. The pilot in question will take the above penalty steps and inform his CO of the violation. The CO will inform the Divisional general and he will take the corp penalty steps.
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:03:00 - [2] I was in udder shock when i found i could no longer mine freely in CFS space, there goes them rules about mining, gee. seems king raindrop has secured the region even more. Asteroid Resource Protection Bill v1 GOAL: This bill has the goal to reduce waste of resources, caused by strip/destructive mining. It is a very strict bill, since the military strength of CFS directly depends on efficient resource harvesting. STATUS: passed, in effect. DESCRIPTION: Persons, engaged in asteroid mining activites in the designated CFS regions, Delve, Querious and Period Base, hereafter called "miner(s)", should abide by several laws. Inability to follow these laws, can result in certain consequences. This bill only applies to high-end asteroids: Gneiss Dark ochre Spodumain Crokite Bistot Arkanor Mercoxit In this bill we will refer to the high-end asteroids, as "asteroid(s)" REGULATIONS All miners have to meet the following regulations: (even in groups) 1A) Frequent usage of a Survey scanner on the asteroid is mandatory. Frequent usage is considered to be around a 4-6 mining cycle interval. 1B) For proper usage of the Survey scanner, mining 5000m of the asteroid is mandatory 2) When the Survey scanner indicates that the asteroid contains around 600 units, discontinue mining on that asteroid 3) When detected popping an asteroid will result in additional penalties PENALTIES When a miner fails to comply with one of the above regulations, he is in violation of CFS law and should be handled accordingly. These persons are called hereafter a "violator" When a violator is detected, he and the corp should comply with the following orders: #1A) Warning - Halt mining operations immediately, until there is full compliance with this bill #1B) Corp - The CEO of the corp will be informed of the violation #2A) ROS - Failure to comply with order #1, will result in a ROS order #2B) Corp - The corp has to pay a fine of 10M to a to-be-appointed-CFS-official #3A) KOS - Failure to comply with order #2 and still in violation of the bill, will result in KOS #3B) Corp - The corp has to pay a fine of 25M to a to-be-appointed-CFS-official NOTE: When in violation of regulation #3, the corp has to pay an additional 25M fine to a to-be-appointed-CFS-official. #4) When a corporation fails to comply with the above orders, the council will be informed and they will take appropiate action. ENFORCEMENT This bill will be enforced by the military. The senate advies the military to create a special task force to enforce this bill. The pilots will use a Passive targetter and Ship scanner. Covert operations are allowed, in order to detect and apprehend a rogue miner. The pilot in question will take the above penalty steps and inform his CO of the violation. The CO will inform the Divisional general and he will take the corp penalty steps.
Jiggy	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:24:00 - [3] Most alliances already have a code of conduct similar to that in place as it encourages the regrowth of asteroids faster and in the medium term benefits everyone in the region.Whats your complaint exactly that you have to move 5 minutes earlier onto a new roid or what?
Jiggy	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:24:00 - [4] Most alliances already have a code of conduct similar to that in place as it encourages the regrowth of asteroids faster and in the medium term benefits everyone in the region.Whats your complaint exactly that you have to move 5 minutes earlier onto a new roid or what?
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:32:00 - [5] I have to fit a scanner, when i might need that slot for something else. Does this mean FA have to comply to this, I think not, hell cfs cant even claim a station.
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:32:00 - [6] I have to fit a scanner, when i might need that slot for something else. Does this mean FA have to comply to this, I think not, hell cfs cant even claim a station.
TheFatman	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:40:00 - [7] Like the above poster said Korbin, most alliances have already stopped stripmining. That includes Fountain Alliance, I don't see why they would strip mine anywhere near fountain since they want the 'roids to regrow. I could be wrong, but I am sure that FA enforces their own anti strip mining measures.
TheFatman	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:40:00 - [8] Like the above poster said Korbin, most alliances have already stopped stripmining. That includes Fountain Alliance, I don't see why they would strip mine anywhere near fountain since they want the 'roids to regrow. I could be wrong, but I am sure that FA enforces their own anti strip mining measures.
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:43:00 - [9] then i need to vote on that poll about seeing blobs in 0.0.
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:43:00 - [10] then i need to vote on that poll about seeing blobs in 0.0.
Jiggy	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Korbin Dallas I have to fit a scanner, when i might need that slot for something else. Does this mean FA have to comply to this, I think not, hell cfs cant even claim a station. Any FA miner that pops roids is given a beating for his pleasure, FA actually declares systems that it thinks have been over-mined off limits for certain periods to allow them to grow back properly.
Jiggy	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Korbin Dallas I have to fit a scanner, when i might need that slot for something else. Does this mean FA have to comply to this, I think not, hell cfs cant even claim a station. Any FA miner that pops roids is given a beating for his pleasure, FA actually declares systems that it thinks have been over-mined off limits for certain periods to allow them to grow back properly.
Amthor	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Jiggy Any FA miner that pops roids is given a beating for his pleasure, FA actually declares systems that it thinks have been over-mined off limits for certain periods to allow them to grow back properly. Rock farming...... what kind of degree does that require? On topic: You'll just have to pay attention while the mind numbing task is underway. hehe For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
Amthor	Posted - 2004.08.20 04:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Jiggy Any FA miner that pops roids is given a beating for his pleasure, FA actually declares systems that it thinks have been over-mined off limits for certain periods to allow them to grow back properly. Rock farming...... what kind of degree does that require? On topic: You'll just have to pay attention while the mind numbing task is underway. hehe For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
Hquesinovium	Posted - 2004.08.20 05:07:00 - [15] Its only smart to fit a scanner, the riods grow back faster, I think if u dont comply, u should be KOS.... Its a rule in the DSMA to use a scanner, and one medium slot should not matter if u have a proper mining op going Quote: I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self.
Hquesinovium	Posted - 2004.08.20 05:07:00 - [16] Its only smart to fit a scanner, the riods grow back faster, I think if u dont comply, u should be KOS.... Its a rule in the DSMA to use a scanner, and one medium slot should not matter if u have a proper mining op going Quote: I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self.
Elgin Marble	Posted - 2004.08.20 06:07:00 - [17] lol, typical of how mistaken Raindrop is when he's worrying about the 'roids despite several CA invasion fleets in the area. As per usual, CFS have been utterly irrelevant in this latest conflict, once again!
Elgin Marble	Posted - 2004.08.20 06:07:00 - [18] lol, typical of how mistaken Raindrop is when he's worrying about the 'roids despite several CA invasion fleets in the area. As per usual, CFS have been utterly irrelevant in this latest conflict, once again!
Tiberius Caesar	Posted - 2004.08.20 06:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Elgin Marble lol, typical of how mistaken Raindrop is when he's worrying about the 'roids despite several CA invasion fleets in the area. As per usual, CFS have been utterly irrelevant in this latest conflict, once again! Oh man, that is true on so many levels.
Tiberius Caesar	Posted - 2004.08.20 06:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Elgin Marble lol, typical of how mistaken Raindrop is when he's worrying about the 'roids despite several CA invasion fleets in the area. As per usual, CFS have been utterly irrelevant in this latest conflict, once again! Oh man, that is true on so many levels.
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.08.20 09:17:00 - [21] Euuhm, this is from long before the CA invasion started ;) It's voting period just ended ;) ASCI Recruiting!
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.08.20 09:17:00 - [22] Euuhm, this is from long before the CA invasion started ;) It's voting period just ended ;) ASCI Recruiting!
pshepherd	Posted - 2004.08.20 09:41:00 - [23] i'm gonna have to be careful about mining in CFS then. It shouldn't be too bad though, i just have to be careful not to pop any roids
pshepherd	Posted - 2004.08.20 09:41:00 - [24] i'm gonna have to be careful about mining in CFS then. It shouldn't be too bad though, i just have to be careful not to pop any roids
Tesk Malloc	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:09:00 - [25] Man, thats harsh. I have just spent the past few hours messing with loadouts to create the best mining set up possible so I could mine all the Veldspar out of Querious. But with those scanner restrictions, I think I'll just go rampage through FA space instead Tesk Malloc - Hired Scum, Murderer and All Round Nasty Piece Of Work "You can't love life too much. Everybody dies."
Tesk Malloc	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:09:00 - [26] Man, thats harsh. I have just spent the past few hours messing with loadouts to create the best mining set up possible so I could mine all the Veldspar out of Querious. But with those scanner restrictions, I think I'll just go rampage through FA space instead Tesk Malloc - Hired Scum, Murderer and All Round Nasty Piece Of Work "You can't love life too much. Everybody dies."
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:20:00 - [27] Edited by: Thomas Epsilon on 20/08/2004 10:22:43 Originally by: Korbin Dallas I was in udder shock when i found i could no longer mine freely in CFS space, there goes them rules about mining, gee. seems king raindrop has secured the region even more. Actually this bill was created (before the CA invasion) and approved by the senate. Raindrop just made it public. Also what we ask from miners, is not unreasonable. Roid popping is simply not done, no matter where you mine.
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:20:00 - [28] Edited by: Thomas Epsilon on 20/08/2004 10:22:43 Originally by: Korbin Dallas I was in udder shock when i found i could no longer mine freely in CFS space, there goes them rules about mining, gee. seems king raindrop has secured the region even more. Actually this bill was created (before the CA invasion) and approved by the senate. Raindrop just made it public. Also what we ask from miners, is not unreasonable. Roid popping is simply not done, no matter where you mine.
Miso	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:22:00 - [29] Since when have alliances been able to stop people doing anything in game? -------------------------------------------- Dead
Miso	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:22:00 - [30] Since when have alliances been able to stop people doing anything in game? -------------------------------------------- Dead
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Miso Since when have alliances been able to stop people doing anything in game? You have to start somewhere. And of course you can never totally ban it, but you can do damage control.
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Miso Since when have alliances been able to stop people doing anything in game? You have to start somewhere. And of course you can never totally ban it, but you can do damage control.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:39:00 - [33] Thou shall not poppeth teh rocks! ..ahem, i love my siggie. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.08.20 10:39:00 - [34] Thou shall not poppeth teh rocks! ..ahem, i love my siggie. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Kaizer Sojum	Posted - 2004.08.20 11:36:00 - [35] Baaaaaa - Let the little miners make a rice crispies add in the roid belds Snap *****le and POP baby. Kaizer Sojum
Kaizer Sojum	Posted - 2004.08.20 11:36:00 - [36] Baaaaaa - Let the little miners make a rice crispies add in the roid belds Snap *****le and POP baby. Kaizer Sojum
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.08.20 11:43:00 - [37] im sure the answer has been posted here already. Many cfs members were getting angry at people strip mining belts, leaving a bit of ore in the roids helps them regrow quicker and keeps a ncie amount of roids in the belt. so people can mine more instead of w8ing for slow regrowth after some group have strip mined. My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.08.20 11:43:00 - [38] im sure the answer has been posted here already. Many cfs members were getting angry at people strip mining belts, leaving a bit of ore in the roids helps them regrow quicker and keeps a ncie amount of roids in the belt. so people can mine more instead of w8ing for slow regrowth after some group have strip mined. My vids and random stuff
nieo	Posted - 2004.08.20 11:53:00 - [39] Impressive work here CFS. It only took you some 10 months or so before you adopted almost exactly the same proposition that Empyrean Federation had. 10 months of mining in the regions you lay claim to but cannot defend until you wake up. Question: What happens when you fail to comply with the bill and are in a NPC corp except getting on your KOS-list? And what happens if your military can't uphold the bill?
nieo	Posted - 2004.08.20 11:53:00 - [40] Impressive work here CFS. It only took you some 10 months or so before you adopted almost exactly the same proposition that Empyrean Federation had. 10 months of mining in the regions you lay claim to but cannot defend until you wake up. Question: What happens when you fail to comply with the bill and are in a NPC corp except getting on your KOS-list? And what happens if your military can't uphold the bill?
toaster	Posted - 2004.08.20 13:43:00 - [41] Originally by: MAXSuicide im sure the answer has been posted here already. Many cfs members were getting angry at people strip mining belts, leaving a bit of ore in the roids helps them regrow quicker and keeps a ncie amount of roids in the belt. so people can mine more instead of w8ing for slow regrowth after some group have strip mined. Yea, theres a multiple-page post on the cfs forums about popping asteroids. People are pretty upset about it. Once I actually figured out why it's bad, I can see why they take it so seriously. ------------------------------------------------
toaster	Posted - 2004.08.20 13:43:00 - [42] Originally by: MAXSuicide im sure the answer has been posted here already. Many cfs members were getting angry at people strip mining belts, leaving a bit of ore in the roids helps them regrow quicker and keeps a ncie amount of roids in the belt. so people can mine more instead of w8ing for slow regrowth after some group have strip mined. Yea, theres a multiple-page post on the cfs forums about popping asteroids. People are pretty upset about it. Once I actually figured out why it's bad, I can see why they take it so seriously. ------------------------------------------------
Loka	Posted - 2004.08.20 13:58:00 - [43] Originally by: nieo Impressive work here CFS. It only took you some 10 months or so before you adopted almost exactly the same proposition that Empyrean Federation had. 10 months of mining in the regions you lay claim to but cannot defend until you wake up. Question: What happens when you fail to comply with the bill and are in a NPC corp except getting on your KOS-list? And what happens if your military can't uphold the bill? I think CFS has enough friends, to get some support if needed. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Loka	Posted - 2004.08.20 13:58:00 - [44] Originally by: nieo Impressive work here CFS. It only took you some 10 months or so before you adopted almost exactly the same proposition that Empyrean Federation had. 10 months of mining in the regions you lay claim to but cannot defend until you wake up. Question: What happens when you fail to comply with the bill and are in a NPC corp except getting on your KOS-list? And what happens if your military can't uphold the bill? I think CFS has enough friends, to get some support if needed. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 18:39:00 - [45] hmmm protect the stations, or protect the belts??
Korbin Dallas	Posted - 2004.08.20 18:39:00 - [46] hmmm protect the stations, or protect the belts??
Jiggy	Posted - 2004.08.20 18:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Korbin Dallas hmmm protect the stations, or protect the belts?? Every alliance is based on money and the ability to make it to buy/build ships and modules and to replace loses. Even the alliances that deny they are mine need to mine to do this and you cant mine what isnt there and popping roids makes mining more difficult in the medium to long terms so makes it harder to replace loses and harder to defend the stations. Its very simple if you think about and not just whine everytime something annoys you.
Jiggy	Posted - 2004.08.20 18:47:00 - [48] Originally by: Korbin Dallas hmmm protect the stations, or protect the belts?? Every alliance is based on money and the ability to make it to buy/build ships and modules and to replace loses. Even the alliances that deny they are mine need to mine to do this and you cant mine what isnt there and popping roids makes mining more difficult in the medium to long terms so makes it harder to replace loses and harder to defend the stations. Its very simple if you think about and not just whine everytime something annoys you.
blood red	Posted - 2004.08.20 18:59:00 - [49] dumb dumb kids, farming roids doesnt work anymore. so there is no point to any of your new laws. none of which actually help anyone who uses cfs space, even if farming did work.
blood red	Posted - 2004.08.20 18:59:00 - [50] dumb dumb kids, farming roids doesnt work anymore. so there is no point to any of your new laws. none of which actually help anyone who uses cfs space, even if farming did work.
Procion	Posted - 2004.08.22 23:53:00 - [51] TEH ULTIMATE CAREBEARS!
Procion	Posted - 2004.08.22 23:53:00 - [52] TEH ULTIMATE CAREBEARS!
LostChylde	Posted - 2004.08.23 00:04:00 - [53] Here's to the new CFS Rock Popping Police or the RPP. they can't fight but they sure can give out tickets. j/k, dont shoot me, its just a joke..........lol lostchylde 2004.08.16 01:50:10combatSansha's Minion strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 5.4 damage.
LostChylde	Posted - 2004.08.23 00:04:00 - [54] Here's to the new CFS Rock Popping Police or the RPP. they can't fight but they sure can give out tickets. j/k, dont shoot me, its just a joke..........lol lostchylde 2004.08.16 01:50:10combatSansha's Minion strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 5.4 damage.
Nilit	Posted - 2004.08.23 00:19:00 - [55] I wonder who's going to actually police this new law and enforce penalties in case of violation Arguing with EVE customer support is like chatting up stewardess on the plane - you know you're not gonna get any , but it's still hella fun trying
Nilit	Posted - 2004.08.23 00:19:00 - [56] I wonder who's going to actually police this new law and enforce penalties in case of violation Arguing with EVE customer support is like chatting up stewardess on the plane - you know you're not gonna get any , but it's still hella fun trying
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.08.25 10:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Nilit I wonder who's going to actually police this new law and enforce penalties in case of violation
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.08.25 10:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Nilit I wonder who's going to actually police this new law and enforce penalties in case of violation
Leopold Kex	Posted - 2004.08.25 12:27:00 - [59] Edited by: Leopold Kex on 25/08/2004 12:29:40 This is ridicolous, it's pretty common knowledge around all space how mineral regrowth works, at least within the larger alliances who mine rare ores. It's not about being able to mine freely or not, but rather to show the area and your fellow allies some respect. When CFS and Star Alliance started to show up in Delve, they started to implement this law only after the Delve Alliance corporations suggested them to do so. As a matter of fact (as I understood it) Raindrop and CFS didn't approve of the law until FA insisted on them to accept it. Guess that's politics... The rule is only necessary to follow if you intend to stay for long in the area. It's impossible to control. It's more a matter of asking yourself if you want to be able to mine more in the area, both from the fact that the stones will grow back faster if you leave some units in them, and that people will hunt you down if you pop them.
Leopold Kex	Posted - 2004.08.25 12:27:00 - [60] Edited by: Leopold Kex on 25/08/2004 12:29:40 This is ridicolous, it's pretty common knowledge around all space how mineral regrowth works, at least within the larger alliances who mine rare ores. It's not about being able to mine freely or not, but rather to show the area and your fellow allies some respect. When CFS and Star Alliance started to show up in Delve, they started to implement this law only after the Delve Alliance corporations suggested them to do so. As a matter of fact (as I understood it) Raindrop and CFS didn't approve of the law until FA insisted on them to accept it. Guess that's politics... The rule is only necessary to follow if you intend to stay for long in the area. It's impossible to control. It's more a matter of asking yourself if you want to be able to mine more in the area, both from the fact that the stones will grow back faster if you leave some units in them, and that people will hunt you down if you pop them.

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