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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:03:00 -
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For those who dont know I recently lost a Kronos, worth roughly 5 billion isk in mods etc. Its my choice to fly it and I really enjoyed flying it.
After the patch before everyone knew about the HP bug and the server seemed suprisingly stable i decided to take it for a spin as i had done many a time pre-patch. I jumped into a reasonably sized gate camp but nothing I wouldnt be able to tank. As i decloaked none of my modules appeared to activate, i was then instantly put down to 10% armor, at this point i didnt know what was going on so I hit fraps to rewatch afterwards, i managed to fraps for about half a second before my ship popped, and although the graphics showed my mods inactive a armor repair cycle went through boosting me to about 70% armor a second volley popped me instantly. The Fraps shows clearly that just 2 zealots were actually firing, the larger ships didnt even have time enough to lock me.
This Kronos has 80-84% resistances on everything and I thought I had been doomsdayed at first, i quickly posted the mail and apparently 2 zealots were the only thing doing damage to me. My Kronos with 7k shield 9k armor with 80+% resistances and my structure 10k with damage control had been melted by 2.9k damage from 2 zealots only (2 volleys for them)
Luckily for the guys who popped me the best stuff lived including 2x centum a-type LAR's and Vizan's EANM. I petitioned and quickly received my ship back but of course minus the mods that lived.
This policy has been in place a long time and i've never challenged it because quite frankly its never been worth the effort but i'll be damned if i wanst gonna try and challenge it here.
Anyway to cut a very long story short after 2 weeks of escalating petitions I was given the finger. This policy is ridiculous, isk is something that takes time to make in eve and somehow CCP think its reasonable that a victim of a bug they admitted was their fault should lose 3+bil isk because what, they dont want to take mods off people who should never have gained them in the first place. If CCP make a mistake CCP should fix the mistake, i know if i make a mistake in eve I have to pay for it.
I have to live with the fact i suffered a massive loss to CCP, but in the future I want to see people getting anything they lost back because we're all paying customers and why should we take a hit because CCP f*cked up.
I understand that perhaps it would be very difficult and time consuming to retrace those modules steps but at the very least the person who lost the ship due to a blatant bug should get the market price for that module(s) placed back into their wallets. I dont think there are enough legitimate losses to seriously affect the economics of eve by doing this, but regardless I think something should change.
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Umberto Tann
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:05:00 -
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Signed
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TiMeZeRo225
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:06:00 -
[3]
signed
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Static Mods
tr0pa de elite
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:07:00 -
[4]
Good on you matey Good luck :D
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McLiey
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:09:00 -
[5]
signed!
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Snura
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Snura on 28/03/2009 14:16:28
signed
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Brandishedt
FinFleet
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:14:00 -
[7]
Signed
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Travarica
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:15:00 -
[8]
Signed
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Flores Negras
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:16:00 -
[9]
signed
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Tertius Caedes
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:17:00 -
[10]
signed
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Roslyn
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:17:00 -
[11]
Signed.
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ArmagedonLT
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:18:00 -
[12]
signed
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Towelieban
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:18:00 -
[13]
i aprove of this message
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glitterbomb
Caldari
tr0pa de elite
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:19:00 -
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signed.
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Tyby
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:28:00 -
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glitterbomb
tr0pa de elite
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Posted - 2009.03.28 14:35:00 -
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Mang0o
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mang0o on 28/03/2009 15:27:19
signed
how do i get that tumsup thingy?
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:27:00 -
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I s'port this.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:39:00 -
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I'm sorry, but to be blunt, I really don't pity your situation. First off, you went into a gate camp and got roasted alive. I'm going to guess it was 5 v 1. And your complaining that two zealots blew you to bits. Claiming it was module lag....
Right, I can see why CCP won't. Even if you didn't have the claimed "module lag" I'm pretty sure you would have been destroyed. You tried to solo PVP and got destroyed over it.
Yeah, you totally deserve reimbursement....
In my opinion, the policy doesn't need a change. No support.
--Isaac
Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
I'm sorry, but to be blunt, I really don't pity your situation. First off, you went into a gate camp and got roasted alive. I'm going to guess it was 5 v 1. And your complaining that two zealots blew you to bits. Claiming it was module lag....
Right, I can see why CCP won't. Even if you didn't have the claimed "module lag" I'm pretty sure you would have been destroyed. You tried to solo PVP and got destroyed over it.
Yeah, you totally deserve reimbursement....
In my opinion, the policy doesn't need a change. No support.
--Isaac
This.
To be honest I've sat here staring at this post several times trying to figure out whether this is a justifiable proposal or not...and honestly I keep coming to one conclusion.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!?!!?!?!!
Seriously
I get the fact you flew your fancy ship into a gate camp and lagged out.
But there is absolutely no way for them to detect a disconnect... its just not how TCP/IP infrastructure works.
For all we know it could be the jerk down the street downloading a ton of torrents on your ISP's bandwidth.... some nut case plowing into a power line.... or a moron tripping over a cat 5 connection and quickly plugging it back in.
All of this over a ship.
Yeah... sorry.
I'm sure if I flew my freighter into a gate camp.. I'd be screaming too...
Wait.... I wouldn't fly my freighter into a gatecamp....tankable or not.
BECAUSE ITS A BLOODY GATE CAMP
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Mang0o
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
I'm sorry, but to be blunt, I really don't pity your situation. First off, you went into a gate camp and got roasted alive. I'm going to guess it was 5 v 1. And your complaining that two zealots blew you to bits. Claiming it was module lag....
Right, I can see why CCP won't. Even if you didn't have the claimed "module lag" I'm pretty sure you would have been destroyed. You tried to solo PVP and got destroyed over it.
Yeah, you totally deserve reimbursement....
In my opinion, the policy doesn't need a change. No support.
--Isaac
are you stupid ?? do you think two zealots can break a officer fitted kronos tank with 2vollys?  and roll your eyes again to darkness the lord ill slap you in the face
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 28/03/2009 16:53:29
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
I'm sorry, but to be blunt, I really don't pity your situation. First off, you went into a gate camp and got roasted alive. I'm going to guess it was 5 v 1. And your complaining that two zealots blew you to bits. Claiming it was module lag....
Right, I can see why CCP won't. Even if you didn't have the claimed "module lag" I'm pretty sure you would have been destroyed. You tried to solo PVP and got destroyed over it.
Yeah, you totally deserve reimbursement....
In my opinion, the policy doesn't need a change. No support.
--Isaac
Lol, you are for real or you were born that stupid?
Learn to read my half-brained friend: ship was reimbursed because CCP ADMITTED it WAS a bug and the issue is something totally different. What? Ill leave that to you (or ask your parents - maybe they can read and translate it for you).
Anyho, /signed for actually getting some rules for reimbursement. Atm its totally random stuff, sometimes people get ships (even including caps) reimbursed after the battles (CCP never reimburses fleetbattle losses, amrite?) where in clear documented cases (including fraps) there is no reimbursement.
So not only ya need to make clear WHEN reimbursement is possible but WHAT can be reimbursed.
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
You sir are also stupid and your reading comprehension is that of 5 year old.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:54:00 -
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Hey.... for all we know this could be just a cleverly crafted argument all because someone was asleep at the wheel.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 28/03/2009 16:53:29
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
I'm sorry, but to be blunt, I really don't pity your situation. First off, you went into a gate camp and got roasted alive. I'm going to guess it was 5 v 1. And your complaining that two zealots blew you to bits. Claiming it was module lag....
Right, I can see why CCP won't. Even if you didn't have the claimed "module lag" I'm pretty sure you would have been destroyed. You tried to solo PVP and got destroyed over it.
Yeah, you totally deserve reimbursement....
In my opinion, the policy doesn't need a change. No support.
--Isaac
Lol, you are for real or you were born that stupid?
Learn to read my half-brained friend: ship was reimbursed because CCP ADMITTED it WAS a bug and the issue is something totally different. What? Ill leave that to you (or ask your parents - maybe they can read and translate it for you).
Anyho, /signed for actually getting some rules for reimbursement. Atm its totally random stuff, sometimes people get ships (even including caps) reimbursed after the battles (CCP never reimburses fleetbattle losses, amrite?) where in clear documented cases (including fraps) there is no reimbursement.
So not only ya need to make clear WHEN reimbursement is possible but WHAT can be reimbursed.
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
You sir are also stupid and your reading comprehension is that of 5 year old.
CCP probially gave him the ship because he was whining so damn loud they decided to be nice and give him his damn ship.
Thats not the point... the point is.... your mother smells of elderberries.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:56:00 -
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No, CCP gave ship back because damage recieved server side was 2700 wheras actual hitpoints of his ship were over 25000 (and thats not including resists).
I guess ya never lost battleship to claw in 2 seconds, by being one-salvoed? Next time STFU and dont make fool of yourself.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 28/03/2009 17:02:29
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
No, CCP gave ship back because damage recieved server side was 2700 wheras actual hitpoints of his ship were over 25000 (and thats not including resists).
I guess ya never lost battleship to claw in 2 seconds, by being one-salvoed? Next time STFU and dont make fool of yourself.
: O )
Temper temper!
All we have is some sort of supposed statement from CCP and someone whining for more because he smacked head first into a gate camp.
And I can do as I please sir.... specially if your able to do worse.
But lets see what everyone else things shall we?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:02:00 -
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Reported, thank you troll.
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Efrim Black
Gallente
Apellon
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Thats not the point... the point is.... your mother smells of elderberries.
FATHER. The Mother is a Hamster, the FATHER smells of elderberries. Geez...
In anycase. I happen to fly heavy assaults, and I'd like to see the killmails to see what those zeolots were packing. I severely doubt that it was all due to lag, as HACs are well known for chewing through anything larger than a cruiser.
If the case of the bug is true, good for you in getting your ship back, but nothing else here makes me think the re-imbursement system is bugged, or in need of work.
Not supported.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.28 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Thats not the point... the point is.... your mother smells of elderberries.
FATHER. The Mother is a Hamster, the FATHER smells of elderberries. Geez...
Does not!!
Err...uh....yeah... I stand corrected.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.28 18:53:00 -
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I pity your loss, but I'm not really sure what CCP can do here. Either they remove those modules from the hangars of the people who picked them up - hardly fair to them - or they open a loophole you could drive a truck through whenever a bug opens. Fly officer-fit ship into combat, lose officer-fit ship to bug, drop officer gear, get officer gear reimbursed. Suddenly, you and your "enemy" have made 3 billion for a few minutes' work. If you can come up with a solution that works better than the status quo I'm all ears, but I don't see what it would be.
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