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Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.30 23:01:00 - [1] I had enough of this. As soon as the servers are up does the race begin. It is Hulks versus small miner. I park in front of an asteroid, in high-sec 0.9-1.0 and where it is safe for me, and then the first Hulk shows up and starts the race. There are nice Hulk pilots out there, who leave a few asteroids standing, but still, the Hulks should not start on the very first belt of a system and just work through belt after belt leaving nothing behind after only 6-8 hours. All one can do is jump to the next belt, ... and the next, ... and the next, until one sees the Hulks disappear into the more dangerous sectors. Please, CCP, make the 0.5-0.6 systems more attractive to lazy Hulk pilots. Make the belts of these system 2-3 times larger and reduce the size of asteroids in the belts of 0.9-1.0 systems. In addition, make the first belt within a system the smallest and the last belt the largest. Make the sizes match real orbit perimeters! And cripple the align time of Hulks so that it becomes a pain for them to change belts. Once the news spreads will the lazy Hulk pilots hopefully avoid the smaller belts. If not, then Hulks should be banned completely from 0.9-1.0 similar to anchoring cans. Bring back the fun!!! -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Nicola Sardonicus	Posted - 2009.03.31 07:47:00 - [2] The problem is that the Hulk squadrons have just too much mining power in high-sec. I saw a thread here the other night by a Hulk pilot who was all butt-hurt because someone figured out a way to actually make his life a little dangerous (i.e., using a ship to ram his Hulk head on to keep it from warping out during a suicide gank). If more people would do stuff like that, then high-sec might be a bit more interesting and rewarding for people like you and I. ____________________________________ War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
Callista Sincera	Posted - 2009.03.31 08:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Whitehound I had enough of this. As soon as the servers are up does the race begin. It is Hulks versus small miner. I park in front of an asteroid, in high-sec 0.9-1.0 and where it is safe for me, and then the first Hulk shows up and starts the race. So why don't you go to a nice .5 system? It's not any less safe for you in 0.5 since a small mining cruiser will never be a viable suicide gank target, much unlike a hulk (destroying a 130m Hulk is a lot more fun than destroying a 350k Navitas, especially when both can be destroyed for zero ISK and zero risk). Originally by: Whitehound Please, CCP, make the 0.5-0.6 systems more attractive to lazy Hulk pilots. Do you actually mine stuff or do you just troll here? I'm asking because you're saying Hulk pilots are lazy, yet you claim to mine in the same belts as they do, so how are they any different from you? That is, if you're really a miner an not just a pirate troll. Originally by: Whitehound Make the belts of these system 2-3 times larger and reduce the size of asteroids in the belts of 0.9-1.0 systems. Unless you make most of those roids in 0.5 'dense' and 'concentrated' and remove those variants from systems above 0.7, Hulks will still prefer higher security systems to give them a chance of suriviving the next dumb suicide gank. Not much "fun" in mining 12 hours, only to have your ship shot down and that time completely negated. Originally by: Whitehound In addition, make the first belt within a system the smallest and the last belt the largest. Make the sizes match real orbit perimeters! And cripple the align time of Hulks so that it becomes a pain for them to change belts. Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. People already scout the belts first (or use bookmarks) because a Hulk's poor align and traveltime. You don't just warp a Hulk into the next best belt and 'approach' the closest roid. Do you know how long it takes to travel 25km from warpion point to the closest roid at 89m/s ?... Originally by: Whitehound lazy Hulk pilots I think you're just bitter because you can't effectively use cats to suicide gank hulks in 1.0. Originally by: Nicola Sardonicus I saw a thread here the other night by a Hulk pilot who was all butt-hurt because someone figured out a way to actually make his life a little dangerous The problem isn't the "little danger" but the impossibility to defend against it and that the "risk" part on the side of the attackers in their worthless 110% insured t1 ships equals zero.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 10:53:00 - [4] If this is how you want to discuss this then Hulks need to be banned from 0.9-1.0 systems completely. If others make your life hard in high-sec then find a better solution to your problem rather than just making the life of the little miners hard. Try to be constructive or ganks is what you deserve. And no, I do not gank but really just fly an Iteron. If I wanted to gank you I would not be writing here to find a solution. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Kara Sharalien	Posted - 2009.03.31 10:53:00 - [5] there is a bit of an etiquette that goes on among miners, however sadly there are lots who dont follow it. i dont mine in a belt that has another hulk already in it. i wish more people would do the same. one belt cant really support two hulks working against eachother. if a smaller miner is in the same belt as me, i dont mine what they are mining. what i can strip out in 13 minutes would take them a lot longer. i try to let them have an opportunity. but i expect the same treatment in return. i have a bumpageddon i use against hulks who follow me from belt to belt.
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.03.31 11:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Whitehound If this is how you want to discuss this then Hulks need to be banned from 0.9-1.0 systems completely. No, afk miners like you should be banned: Originally by: Whitehound I do not gank but really just fly an Iteron. Good job for calling hulk pilots lazy when all you do is target a large roid, activate the one mining laser on your ity and go to bed.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 13:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Ivy Scorn Good job for calling hulk pilots lazy when all you do is target a large roid, activate the one mining laser on your ity and go to bed. Sorry, my mistake. I should have called you lazy, ignorant, arrogant, stupid and afraid of getting ganked ... Seriously, try to be more constructive here. Would you not want to have some larger asteroid belts for your hulks? If you don't like the small miners then go into 0.5-0.8 systems. Or ask yourself, where is the fun for you? And I do not AFK mine and go to bed. Having smaller asteroids and belts in 0.9-1.0 would certainly be more fun than staring for one hour on to the monitor or to wait for a Hulk to clear the belt. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Metalcali Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.31 13:07:00 - [8] Why should something that is legitimate be banned? So they are mining that belt and so on, why can't they, are they not allowed too because you want to afk mine there? This thread is just about you wanting an advantage above other people, nothing constructive towards a majority as a whole. Remember, this game needs to be made for more people than just you
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 13:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Whitehound on 31/03/2009 13:27:08 Originally by: Metalcali Why should something that is legitimate be banned? So they are mining that belt and so on, why can't they, are they not allowed too because you want to afk mine there? This thread is just about you wanting an advantage above other people, nothing constructive towards a majority as a whole. Remember, this game needs to be made for more people than just you I have already given you the answers to your questions in my first comment. ... "Why?" - Because for the same reason cans got banned. ... "Why can't they?" - No one says yet anything about banning them. It is about making it more interesting for you by shifting the masses of asteriods into system where you can make use of all the shields, the armour and drones. Further, your standings should allow you to refine the ore in more than just one or two systems. And you don't have to jump from belt to belt as often as you do now. If you want you could AFK mine in your Hulk again, if that is what you want. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Metalcali Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.31 13:35:00 - [10] No you haven't, you stated that Hulks need to be banned from 0.9 and 1.0 and your reasoning is because you want to mine in your ship without someone, who took the time to train for the best mining possibilities, in the same system as you are. Right now that is your main arguing point, therefore not much discussion can be made.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 14:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Metalcali No you haven't, ... I am sorry to see you sulk in your hulk, but if you don't come up with more solid arguments then you are going to be ignored. And if sulking is what you like doing then all the more. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Marcus Gideon Gallente Limited Liability Corp	Posted - 2009.03.31 14:31:00 - [12] For what it's worth... My favorite mining systems are around 0.5 anyways. Sure, I could mine all day long in total safety in a 1.0 somewhere, but all I'd have to mine is Veld. In the 0.5, I have up to Omber to pick at, still with plenty of Veld if that's what I wanted. Currently, the reason you see so many, is because the prices of Trit fluctuate. When it's looking lucrative, then you'll see a lot of higher sec activity as everyone scoops it up. ISK does make the worlds go 'round, after all. As for that activity taking the form of Hulks... that's not to say that they are out to get you. That's merely because the Hulk is the epitome of mining vessels. Why would you spend so much time and energy training a proper Industry character, only to float in 1.0 in a Navitas? Sure... it was all you could do when you started. But you don't see movie stars pedaling their Huffy's to the premiere. So... you can either come onto the forums and whine about how you're being robbed of all those precious minerals (which respawn daily in 1.0 if I'm not mistaken). Or you can go log into the game instead, keep on training, and get into a Hulk yourself. Cus right now, you a tiny fish in a big ocean, and the sharks don't care if you're left with scraps. --- *Players aren't interested in Variety, they only want THE BEST.*
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 15:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Marcus Gideon Why would you spend so much time and energy training a proper Industry character ... You spend this time to get into larger as well as stronger ships, and to go into systems where others cannot follow you. You do not train for them so you can be more greedy. Here is one more suggestion on top of the ones I have made: Have one or two extra large asteroids in 0.5-0.8 systems. So large that it will take two or three Hulks about an hour to mine only one of them. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.03.31 15:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Ivy Scorn Good job for calling hulk pilots lazy when all you do is target a large roid, activate the one mining laser on your ity and go to bed. Sorry, my mistake. I should have called you lazy, ignorant, arrogant, stupid and afraid of getting ganked ... Dude,... a) you're the one who threw "lazy" into the room. b) avoiding suicide ganks has nothing to do with being afraid. c) I have Mining I and I doubt that's going to change ;) d) rhetoric doesn't work in these forums, it's still in the backlog. stop trying to use it. e) You're mining in an Iteron FFS! Don't call other people lazy.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 15:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Ivy Scorn Dude,... c) I have Mining I and I doubt that's going to change ;) ... Interesting. Really. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Marcus Gideon Gallente Limited Liability Corp	Posted - 2009.03.31 15:35:00 - [16] /me rereads the whole thread. Originally by: Whitehound "Please, CCP, make the 0.5-0.6 systems more attractive to lazy Hulk pilots" "I park in front of an asteroid" "Once the news spreads will the lazy Hulk pilots..." "And no, I do not gank but really just fly an Iteron" "Sorry, my mistake. I should have called you lazy, ignorant, arrogant, stupid and afraid of getting ganked ..." Lazy is parking an Industrial ship in front of a single rock, and mining for hours. I know, because I tried the same thing once upon a time. I discovered it was terribly time consuming, wasn't nearly as lucrative as I'd hoped... and generally looked foolish. Something akin to a man with a pickaxe and a massive dump truck to throw it all in. Quote: You spend this time to get into larger as well as stronger ships, and to go into systems where others cannot follow you. You do not train for them so you can be more greedy. Whatever -your- motivations may be, do not think to project them onto others. Everyone pays their subscription on their own. Everyone plays the game to get something different out of it. So some may train to get larger ships, to go more places. And some may train for better ships to do a better job where they are. ISK makes the worlds go 'round. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't be crying over your lack of mineral yield. So again... quit surfing the forums for pity, and go get your own Hulk. Whether you choose to take it into 0.5, or stay in 1.0 is on you... but don't cry because the other kids brought a bigger toy and you're jealous.
Metalcali Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.31 16:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Metalcali No you haven't, ... I am sorry to see you sulk in your hulk, but if you don't come up with more solid arguments then you are going to be ignored. And if sulking is what you like doing then all the more. Wow, I have a hulk!? Wish I had known that ccp gave me some free skills to use that ship, would plan out times to go mine rarer things. Point is, you haven't posted a valid argument other than you don't like something when you don't try and change that on your own and you want ccp to do that for you, end of thread. You haven't posted anything viable that would be fair too all, and any attempt to inform you of this so maybe a proper discussion could occur is met with, No You. Think up something important, or refine your thoughts some and then we can get back to this discussion.
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.03.31 17:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Whitehound Interesting. Really. "Opponents fancy they refute us when they repeat their own opinion and pay no attention to ours." - geothe Well, it loses in the translation. Fits you though.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.03.31 18:55:00 - [19] Edited by: Whitehound on 31/03/2009 18:57:19 Originally by: Ivy Scorn Well, it loses in the translation. Fits you though. So you think that someone who claims to have Mining at level I, does not intend to change this, and is proud of it has the ability to understand the issue?!? If so then perhaps I should consult an oracle, or just throw some bones and try to read the future. Now, stop telling me what to think or what to do when this is the forum for ideas and suggestions. Be all the fish you can be, swim in your oceans, read Goethe - I won't care. But if this topic does not interest you then get out!! Frankly, to me you appear to be dumb and stupid when you continue posting comments about how you are not lazy, how you don't have a Hulk, do not train mining skills or that I shall solve all your problems. All what is going to happen is that I will pity you and that I see your comments as a welcomed bump to the thread. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.04.01 05:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Whitehound Now, stop telling me what to think Neither I nor anybody else here did that. How about you stopping your futile attempts at aggravating people into flaming you? Originally by: Whitehound Frankly, to me you appear to be dumb and stupid See what I mean? Originally by: Whitehound All what is going to happen is that I will pity you No need, I'm having a hell of a lot of fun reading your posts. I mean it's obvious you're trolling, but it's also obvious you're new to it (making such posts on your 'main' will get you and your Whitehound corp dec'd - but maybe that's what you want). From what I've read on these forums, you're putting a bit too much weight on trying to insult people (who'll just laugh their asses off). You need to appear a little dumber yourself - as if you wouldn't understand any argument presented to you (this shouldn't be too hard since it's true in your case - see what I did?) - instead of blatantly obviously ignoring them. Originally by: Whitehound and that I see your comments as a welcomed bump to the thread. No problem, it's your char to recycle.
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 06:08:00 - [21] Apparently there are not enough asteroids to go around. Ban T2 Miners mining from 1.0 to 0.8 would be a good idea so the small T1 miners can get ahead some.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 06:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Marcus Gideon For what it's worth... My favorite mining systems are around 0.5 anyways. Sure, I could mine all day long in total safety in a 1.0 somewhere, but all I'd have to mine is Veld. In the 0.5, I have up to Omber to pick at, still with plenty of Veld if that's what I wanted. Currently, the reason you see so many, is because the prices of Trit fluctuate. When it's looking lucrative, then you'll see a lot of higher sec activity as everyone scoops it up. ISK does make the worlds go 'round, after all. And because 1.0 and 0.9 system have a higher respawn rate. They respawn every day while the other systems respawn 2 times in a week.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:58:00 - [23] Edited by: Whitehound on 01/04/2009 13:59:29 Originally by: Ivy Scorn No problem, it's your char to recycle. You wasted your time with reading Goethe. The only person who will be coming for me is you. And you will do this because you will have found no other way to prove it to me. However, it is never going to happen, because the only fights you fight take place in forums. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:25:00 - [24] Edited by: Lifelongnoob on 01/04/2009 18:25:48 mining barges should be banned from mining in 1.0/0.9 systems leave those for the noobs in cruisers destroyers and frigs
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Whitehound The only person who will be coming for me is you. I certainly wouldn't deprive myself of the entertainment you provide here... Originally by: Whitehound And you will do this because you will have found no other way to prove it to me. (Remember what I said about ignoring arguments? Just because you bury your head in the sand doesn't mean we didn't provide any. ) Originally by: Whitehound However, it is never going to happen, because the only fights you fight take place in forums. ... but I'll give you a lollipop if you can manage to formulate one sentence without attacking somebody.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Ivy Scorn Remember what I said about ignoring arguments? The more interesting question is: do you remember my answer to it? -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.
Marcus Gideon Gallente Limited Liability Corp	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 01/04/2009 19:51:39 Hurray for pi$$ing contests! Seriously... both of you just accept the fact that Whitehound is an idiot. Then we can all move on with our lives, mining all the 1.0 rocks we can find with our Orca assisted Hulk fleets.

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Marcus Gideon Gallente Limited Liability Corp	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:21:00 - [29] Woot!
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.04.01 21:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Marcus Gideon Lazy is parking an Industrial ship in front of a single rock, and mining for hours. Yes. Mining is all together lazy when you can do other things in EVE as well. However, I do fly missions and do research, too. So how can I be lazy? Please stay on topic. This is an ideas and suggestion forum. It is not a forum about me. Thank you. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while.

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