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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:50:00 -
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Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive I-RED
Ishukone Subsidiary seeks Matari Investment
The subsidiary of Caldari Mega-Corporation Ishukone is looking to establish several lucrative trade agreements with Minmatar based organizations, and has also mentioned the possibility of Ishukone-Raata investment. After several scheduled meetings between Ishukone-Raata's Executive Staff and Investors a statement was released.
Quote:"Over the next month Ishukone-Raata will be looking to establish several long-term economic relationships with Minmatar based corporations or alliances located within the Republics borders. With these agreements we are looking to help our partners invest in local markets, and infrastructure by supplying them with the needed equipment and trained personnel."
Further information on this opportunity can be found in the GalNet Channel IshuNET or via mail to Katrina Oniseki. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:16:00 -
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Moitte. |
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:10:00 -
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Hak rikaato Sakoda. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:35:00 -
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Well, they're certainly a better choice than Amarrian investors, I'll give you that. Good luck! Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Graelyn
Knights of Kador Aegis Militia
235
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:33:00 -
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Why?
We don't **** it all away. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
270
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:25:00 -
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What sort of conditions are I-RED looking for? We might be interested. |
Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:33:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:What sort of conditions are I-RED looking for? We might be interested.
I would appreciate any correspondence Rek receives to be forwarded to myself also, unless of course my superior interjects. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
270
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:42:00 -
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I shall not interject, because you do trade and stuff, and you're good at it. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
467
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:12:00 -
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Rek Jaiga,
Details will be discussed in private, not on the IGS. Please mail me at your earliest convenience to arrange a meeting. |
Epitoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:31:00 -
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Hi John,
I would be happy to let you invest in my minmatar.
I'd like to think weGÇÖve had a good relationship in the past so feel free to contact me if interested. Oh.. and I would require all payment in advance please.
Thanks.
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Bai'xao Meiyi
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
6
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:38:00 -
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I like seeing the Caldari and the Minmatar working together, I hope this one day moves beyond boardroom matters.
I'd love to be kept posted Major Jaiga
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
467
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:42:00 -
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Pilot Epitoth,
You may have misunderstood the original post. Please also keep in mind all questions, interests, and concerns should be directed to me via GalNet Mailing system.
Rikaato. |
Simca Develon
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:28:00 -
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Epitoth wrote:Hi John,
I would be happy to let you invest in my minmatar.
I'd like to think weGÇÖve had a good relationship in the past so feel free to contact me if interested. Oh.. and I would require all payment in advance please.
Thanks.
How cute.
Je suis le commencement de votre fin. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
249
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:39:00 -
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Because John's organization wants to be friends with everyone. An open business partner.
But being all things to all people, well that's an impossibility.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:27:00 -
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Epitoth wrote:Hi John,
I would be happy to let you invest in my minmatar.
I'd like to think weGÇÖve had a good relationship in the past so feel free to contact me if interested. Oh.. and I would require all payment in advance please.
Thanks.
It seems you're trying your hand at comedy. Don't quit your day job. No, wait, do quit your day job, but find a new day job that isn't comedy. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:33:00 -
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Giving money to our enemies, for profit no less, strikes me as something between naive stupidity and outright treason worthy only of an Ammatar.
Why would any loyal son or daughter of the Matari simply give money to a subsidiary of Ishukone of all things? So Ishukone can further refine their Transcranial Microcontroller? Or perhaps come up with a new way to further degrade and enslave the People, and profit from their misery?
I would consider investing in the State only after the State and all the various Megacorps break all economic, military, and political ties with the Empire, and cease production of the TCMC and any other technology used to further slavery. Until such a time exists, investing in the State is foolishness bordering on treason. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
249
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:40:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Giving money to our enemies, for profit no less, strikes me as something between naive stupidity and outright treason worthy only of an Ammatar.
Why would any loyal son or daughter of the Matari simply give money to a subsidiary of Ishukone of all things? So Ishukone can further refine their Transcranial Microcontroller? Or perhaps come up with a new way to further degrade and enslave the People, and profit from their misery?
I would consider investing in the State only after the State and all the various Megacorps break all economic, military, and political ties with the Empire, and cease production of the TCMC and any other technology used to further slavery. Until such a time exists, investing in the State is foolishness bordering on treason.
My man you really must keep up! Them supporting the Empire was so last cycle. I think the latest stance is anti-empire, anti-heth, pro-matari, pro-federation. Or some combination of the like. Tune in next week and we'll re-shuffle the standings and see what sticks.
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Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
111
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:04:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Giving money to our enemies, for profit no less, strikes me as something between naive stupidity and outright treason worthy only of an Ammatar...
I find the notion that I might have motives that are in-line with Ammatar firstly hilarious, then sickening.
I'll be the first to say that I approached Rek with the suggestion that we pursue this lead and that it was not him looking to me for financial back-up.
To avoid an argument, I will only state that my interests lie with my people and I would not seek to threaten any of our kind needlessly, especially over petty greed.
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Simca Develon
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:07:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Giving money to our enemies, for profit no less, strikes me as something between naive stupidity and outright treason worthy only of an Ammatar.
Why would any loyal son or daughter of the Matari simply give money to a subsidiary of Ishukone of all things? So Ishukone can further refine their Transcranial Microcontroller? Or perhaps come up with a new way to further degrade and enslave the People, and profit from their misery?
I would consider investing in the State only after the State and all the various Megacorps break all economic, military, and political ties with the Empire, and cease production of the TCMC and any other technology used to further slavery. Until such a time exists, investing in the State is foolishness bordering on treason.
We're a subsidiary. Most of what you're demanding is...well simply out of our control. Don't like it then you don't have to invest or work with us. Start hounding or attacking those that do and we may have issues. The State itself doesn't condone slavery, but we aren't going to tell the Amarr how to be Amarr either. What they do is their business, not ours. Je suis le commencement de votre fin. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
249
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:00:00 -
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Simca Develon wrote:... Oddly enough, that is probably what helped put the Republic's economy behind in the first place. Good luck with that though.
I imagine more to do with their Federation paymasters running out of cash now that they have a war effort to fund. |
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Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
271
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:29:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Giving money to our enemies, for profit no less, strikes me as something between naive stupidity and outright treason worthy only of an Ammatar.
Why would any loyal son or daughter of the Matari simply give money to a subsidiary of Ishukone of all things? So Ishukone can further refine their Transcranial Microcontroller? Or perhaps come up with a new way to further degrade and enslave the People, and profit from their misery?
I would consider investing in the State only after the State and all the various Megacorps break all economic, military, and political ties with the Empire, and cease production of the TCMC and any other technology used to further slavery. Until such a time exists, investing in the State is foolishness bordering on treason.
To be fair, Gottii, this is less a case of "giving money to the enemy" and more a case of conducting legitimate trade with a capsuleer organization that happens to be a subsidary of Ishukone.
Additionally, think of this from a business standpoint. If Ishukone is willing to do business with the Republic, do you think it would still conduct activities that would harm its reputation with its new trade partner? In business, reputation itself is an important asset.
If Ishukone is willing to do trade with and invest in the Republic (investments being something dearly needed), even in spite of past disagreements, I think it's clear what sort of reputation the company wishes to build. At the very least, there shouldn't be harm in simply talking things over. Worst-case scenario, one can always politely decline trade relations and get on with their lives. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:36:00 -
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Pardon me for asking, but your message does not seem to tell precisely what kind of trade agreements you want to conclude. You might face difficulties if the people you are adressing to do not even know what kind of products and services you want to deal with in the first place. |
Simca Develon
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
20
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:41:00 -
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John Revenent wrote: Further information on this opportunity can be found in the GalNet Channel IshuNET or via mail to Katrina Oniseki.
Perhaps that will help, or must everything be disclosed for the public to see?
Je suis le commencement de votre fin. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:44:00 -
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A, I see !
As we are not really the target audience of this announcement, I will refrain from annoying you furthermore. |
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:45:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Giving money to our enemies, for profit no less, strikes me as something between naive stupidity and outright treason worthy only of an Ammatar.
Why would any loyal son or daughter of the Matari simply give money to a subsidiary of Ishukone of all things? So Ishukone can further refine their Transcranial Microcontroller? Or perhaps come up with a new way to further degrade and enslave the People, and profit from their misery?
I would consider investing in the State only after the State and all the various Megacorps break all economic, military, and political ties with the Empire, and cease production of the TCMC and any other technology used to further slavery. Until such a time exists, investing in the State is foolishness bordering on treason.
Ishukone-Raata and Electus Matari once called each other friends. Some of the reasoning behind this move is a rebuilding of relations that your pilots were more then happy to destroy along with the Ishukone Watch vessel commanded by Miko Frunze who was operating well within the limits of Caldari Law.
Perhaps you should look to the future, but instead you dwell on the past.
Silas Vitalia wrote:Because John's organization wants to be friends with everyone. An open business partner. But being all things to all people, well that's an impossibility.
Not friends, just partners. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. |
Davlos
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:30:00 -
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I remember a time when Electus Matari used to be a respectable entity, with Evanda Char at the helm.
It's difficult for me to believe what I'm now seeing from EM's pilots. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:34:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:To be fair, Gottii, this is less a case of "giving money to the enemy" and more a case of conducting legitimate trade with a capsuleer organization that happens to be a subsidary of Ishukone. Without taking further stance on the issue, I find this logic faulty.
To give a (hopefully) clarifying example, how would you feel about a "legitimate trade with a capsuleer organization that happens to be a subsidiary of the Amarrian Navy"? It seems to me that for your argument, it would be more important to prove that Ishukone in this context is different from the Enemy, than it is to point out that the subsidiary of Ishukone in question is a capsuleer one.
Davlos wrote:I remember a time when Electus Matari used to be a respectable entity, with Evanda Char at the helm. To you and some other I-RED commenting on this here and on real-time channels: please note that it is rarely beneficial to publicly insult people you apparently wish to have better relations with. |
Kohiko Sun
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:05:00 -
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All this talk of TCMCs. I remember having this discussion often.
I still ask why the vendor is required to dictate what its product is used to do - TCMCs have medical and robotic use. I still ask why there is all this focus on them, and fire for Ishukone, while at the same time making use of the Falcon - an Ishukone design - in Rainbow Squad. I still ask why makers of chains, locks, and sticks - all of which are tools that can be used to impose one's will on another - are not subjected to calls of boycott.
A new one I ask is, "Is there moral outrage at the pilots who produce them and then sell them on the open market where anyone can buy them and use as they wish?" |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
250
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:11:00 -
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Kohiko Sun wrote:All this talk of TCMCs. I remember having this discussion often.
I still ask why the vendor is required to dictate what its product is used to do - TCMCs have medical and robotic use. I still ask why there is all this focus on them, and fire for Ishukone, while at the same time making use of the Falcon - an Ishukone design - in Rainbow Squad. I still ask why makers of chains, locks, and sticks - all of which are tools that can be used to impose one's will on another - are not subjected to calls of boycott.
A new one I ask is, "Is there moral outrage at the pilots who produce them and then sell them on the open market where anyone can buy them and use as they wish?"
Your naievity is breathtaking.
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Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
272
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:07:00 -
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Valid concerns are raised, and I shall do my best to address them.
The reason I distinguish between an entity such as Ishukone and an entity such as the Amarr Imperial Navy is because the former is profit-seeking. If the capsuleer subsidary organization of Ishukone has deemed it appropriate to invest in the Republic, this is a strong indicator the rest of Ishukone feels similarly. That is to say, Ishukone may be looking at things in a new light and may have determined that siding with us is healthier for trade and profit. That is the hope here; that the Republic is gaining a new partner.
That being said, the use of TCMCs for the purposes of slavery is absolutely disgusting and is an entirely deal-shattering concern to have. I will continue speaking with the I-RED representatives on the matter in hopes of finding clarity. Electus Matari have been very dear friends and allies thus far, so we have reason to heed their advice and take these negotiations slowly and carefully. |
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