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Discrodia Gallente Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:26:00 - [31] BEWARE THE PROVIBLOB! Long story short, based on the experience of my mimy RP friend, don't get on their bad side. Other than that, it's pretty safe as long as you're smart.
Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Furb Killer It is known that severance can sometimes be a bit trigger happy. Allthough usually the ones killed were also doing stupid things. If you think you shouldn't have been shot you can always contact one of their diplomats, or if that doesn't work cva diplomats. If you indeed shouldn't have been shot you will be reimbursed. If you start shooting sev now you will become KOS in providence and most of amarr low sec. Man this alt has been sitting in a station since the day it was created. I've been doing the basic training for PvP and only fought 1 guy in a mutual 1 v 1, just to see how the Punisher worked for a noob. There is no way I was on any red lists. The only reason I was even going out to Providence was because that was the only place in the whole dam EvE universe I could find any open ME & copy spots for BPO's. I figured I could at least make a little money with this alt researching some BP's while he trained up his basic skills.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:31:00 - [33] Still you should take it to a diplomat and not to forums. And there are some cases in which neuts can be shot, like if you don't immediatly leave a bubble camp when you get into it, then they think you are a spy.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:33:00 - [34] Edited by: Durzel on 01/04/2009 12:33:14 Originally by: Mutnin I like what CVA does out there but S3verance might as well add me to a Red list because after what just happened.. I'll be doing my best in the future to harass those A holes. I had a bunch of BPO's I wanted to research out in CVA Providence.. Don't take this the wrong way but that kind of attitude is just weak. At the end of the day you were in their sovereign space, they have every right to shoot you if they feel like it for whatever reason they chose. You can't complain about this really, if it wasn't them it could just as easily have been a roaming gang sat on the gate. CVA/Sev3rance or whoever aren't your guardian angels, nor are they necessarily your friends, they (CVA at least) have an open policy of tolerating visitors, that's all. If you're in 0.0 you should expect to be killed at any given time, by warp bubbles or whatever.
Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 01/04/2009 12:33:14 Originally by: Mutnin I like what CVA does out there but S3verance might as well add me to a Red list because after what just happened.. I'll be doing my best in the future to harass those A holes. I had a bunch of BPO's I wanted to research out in CVA Providence.. Don't take this the wrong way but that kind of attitude is just weak. At the end of the day you were in their sovereign space, they have every right to shoot you if they feel like it for whatever reason they chose. You can't complain about this really, if it wasn't them it could just as easily have been a roaming gang sat on the gate. CVA/Sev3rance or whoever aren't your guardian angels, nor are they necessarily your friends, they (CVA at least) have an open policy of tolerating visitors, that's all. If you're in 0.0 you should expect to be killed at any given time, by warp bubbles or whatever. Hence the reason.. I'm posting that S3verance isn't honoring a NRDS policy. Hey, I can accept the fact that you get shot at in 0.0 space. However if they claim they run a NRDS policy and then they don't, well then it needs to be posted about to warn others. CVA has been cool in my books.. I have a different alt and I go out to Providence and rat with.. They seem pretty cool and as I posted before I like what they are doing with the place but this today with S3 guys ****ed me off and cost me a lot of wasted time on partially researched BPO's.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:15:00 - [36] Mutnin , The correct way to go about it would be to contact diplomats first, and complain on the forums if you do not like the result. Complaining in the forums will only hurt your chance of being reimbursed for your troubles. You'll find provi diplomats to be very helpful, provided you don't upset them first!
Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:32:00 - [37] Edited by: Mutnin on 01/04/2009 13:32:53 Originally by: Vidi Angelus Mutnin , The correct way to go about it would be to contact diplomats first, and complain on the forums if you do not like the result. Complaining in the forums will only hurt your chance of being reimbursed for your troubles. You'll find provi diplomats to be very helpful, provided you don't upset them first! I have no clue how to contact their diplomats, there isn't any info in the game in their alliance info, and I have no clue about how 0.0 politics work. All I know is everyone claims they are NRDS which apparently isn't true so I'm warning others of their actions. I'm not going to go crying to them, I'm just going to warn others so it doesn't happen to them. As for reimbursement, I don't see why they would and they certainly won't be able to reimburse my time in research. I could care less about the ISK.. It's the time involved in the BPO's and the worthless skills to be able to research them. Hell, I never even would have bothered with BPO's if I knew before hand that you can't research them anywhere in the known Eve universe. I'm not even going to bother with them anymore it's just not worth it.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:58:00 - [38] Edited by: Batolemaeus on 01/04/2009 13:59:28 There is a lot of info, if you actually cared to do your research. So stop crying and suck it up. Eve I know their diplos..and i haven't been to providence on friendly terms for years.. ---------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
Dartonias Sirion KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:05:00 - [39] Mutnin, from the look of your kill mail and the age of your toon, you were probably hanging around far too long at a gate camp and not leaving after being asked to. We are NRDS, but noobs sitting at our gatecamps SCREAMS spy. Its hard enough to keep the area clean without letting the reds bring neutrals in to scout for them to get out safely. If you think that's wrong eve mail me in game and I'll get an anwser for you.
Kumq uat Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:11:00 - [40] Hai guyz! What's going on in this thread? Oh. Hai Sevy! www.eve-pirate.com original author

Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:18:00 - [41] Edited by: Mutnin on 01/04/2009 14:18:44 Originally by: Dartonias Sirion Mutnin, from the look of your kill mail and the age of your toon, you were probably hanging around far too long at a gate camp and not leaving after being asked to. We are NRDS, but noobs sitting at our gatecamps SCREAMS spy. Its hard enough to keep the area clean without letting the reds bring neutrals in to scout for them to get out safely. If you think that's wrong eve mail me in game and I'll get an anwser for you. Your guys had a warp bubble out, I wasn't sitting anywhwere. I couldn't get out of it before they shot and killed me..No one asked me to leave, they shot on contact with no warning.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:35:00 - [42] Quote: I'll be doing my best in the future to harass those A holes You think sev will failcascade when some random research alt starts attacking their members? --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Mutnin Your guys had a warp bubble out, I wasn't sitting anywhwere. I couldn't get out of it before they shot and killed me..No one asked me to leave, they shot on contact with no warning. I have yet to understand how it accomplishes anything for people with grievances for whatever flippant reason they felt slighted in the past, roll neutral alts and find the first bubble they can, and deliberately get popped. Whether they target lock, bump, or just hang around an ongoing gang much too long, they then immediately come on here, find the most recent Providence thread, and start raising holy hell as if the sky is falling. Good f@#%ing lord you lost a T1 frigate and a pod on an alt that from your own admission barely ever gets taken out of station. Why this deserves forum camping and bloody endless tears is beyond me. Whatever possible impact you believe you have had on political relations and atmosphere between CVA and Holder alliances is laughable at best. They did their job.* NRDS in Providence is a privilege, not a right. Learn to deal with acceptable losses, or ask for reimbursement in a civil and diplomatic way. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Buster Gonads	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:47:00 - [44] Anyone remember CFS? I get the same feel-good factor from the CVA guys as I used to when I flew with them. Certainly a nice relaxed bunch. Highly recommended.
Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:59:00 - [45] Edited by: Mutnin on 01/04/2009 15:03:09 Originally by: Mendolus Originally by: Mutnin Your guys had a warp bubble out, I wasn't sitting anywhwere. I couldn't get out of it before they shot and killed me..No one asked me to leave, they shot on contact with no warning. I have yet to understand how it accomplishes anything for people with grievances for whatever flippant reason they felt slighted in the past, roll neutral alts and find the first bubble they can, and deliberately get popped. Whether they target lock, bump, or just hang around an ongoing gang much too long, they then immediately come on here, find the most recent Providence thread, and start raising holy hell as if the sky is falling. Good f@#%ing lord you lost a T1 frigate and a pod on an alt that from your own admission barely ever gets taken out of station. Why this deserves forum camping and bloody endless tears is beyond me. Whatever possible impact you believe you have had on political relations and atmosphere between CVA and Holder alliances is laughable at best. They did their job.* NRDS in Providence is a privilege, not a right. Learn to deal with acceptable losses, or ask for reimbursement in a civil and diplomatic way. It seems you didn't read what I posted before making your commit. I could care less about the ship or getting killed. I'm ticked because I was carrying partially researched BPO's. I'm ticked because it wasn't pirates whom shot me.. It was alliance members whom claim they follow NRDS rules. If I would have been ganked by pirate, I wouldn't have ever said a word, I would have taken the lumps. However being this "is" a topic asking about "Providence" it's rightfully a topic for me to post my experience about the area. To at least warn others like the OP, that all these alliances don't truly follow NRDS rules. Some rightfully do like CVA whom I've had only good experances with, but it appears I'm not the only one that has had this happen when it comes to S3.
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.01 15:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Mutnin It seems you didn't read what I posted before making your commit. I could care less about the ship or getting killed. I'm ticked because I was carrying partially researched BPO's. I'm ticked because it wasn't pirates whom shot me.. It was alliance members whom claim they follow NRDS rules. If I would have been ganked by pirate, I wouldn't have ever said a word, I would have taken the lumps. However being this "is" a topic asking about "Providence" it's rightfully a topic for me to post my experience about the area. To at least warn others like the OP, that all these alliances don't truly follow NRDS rules. Some rightfully do like CVA whom I've had only good experances with, but it appears I'm not the only one that has had this happen when it comes to S3. Your responses are so scripted and predictable I could almost bank good money on them. How many times are people going to try this trick? {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 15:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Mendolus Your responses are so scripted and predictable I could almost bank good money on them. How many times are people going to try this trick? Well there sure is one thing Eve isn't short on.. That's paranoid forum trolls.
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.01 15:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Mutnin Originally by: Mendolus Your responses are so scripted and predictable I could almost bank good money on them. How many times are people going to try this trick? Well there sure is one thing Eve isn't short on.. That's paranoid forum trolls. You know how I know? Because even when you are treated with respect and given the time of day by multiple posters, given credible, practical, and rational responses and advice on what you could have done differently or how you could have approached the situation with some diplomacy and actually reached persons of interest within both CVA and S3V, you instead keep hocking the same story. That's how I know. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Mutnin	Posted - 2009.04.01 15:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Mendolus Originally by: Mutnin Originally by: Mendolus Your responses are so scripted and predictable I could almost bank good money on them. How many times are people going to try this trick? Well there sure is one thing Eve isn't short on.. That's paranoid forum trolls. You know how I know? Because even when you are treated with respect and given the time of day by multiple posters, given credible, practical, and rational responses and advice on what you could have done differently or how you could have approached the situation with some diplomacy and actually reached persons of interest within both CVA and S3V, you instead keep hocking the same story. That's how I know. Maybe you are right.. I'm just a bit irritated at the situation and I'm not the type that is going to go begging for some reimbursment. I was just trying to warn others of what just happened to me. I've done that so this is the last post on the subject.
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.01 15:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Mutnin Maybe you are right.. I'm just a bit irritated at the situation and I'm not the type that is going to go begging for some reimbursment. I was just trying to warn others of what just happened to me. I've done that so this is the last post on the subject. Fair enough. It is not begging however. It is your responsibility to contact those involved in the kill, and speak with a CVA diplomat to determine what course of action should be taken. Just because you do not want the money, does not mean it is not important to alert CVA in the rare chance that the action was in fact a real transgression. These things can and do happen, even if only rarely, and there have been actions taken against the transgressors just like any other person, corporation, or alliance who breaks the NRDS. CVA and other Holder alliances do a wonderful job of keeping themselves in check and running a tight ship, which is why you will find little support here to the theory that quote, "/...all these alliances don't truly follow NRDS rules." as you stated earlier, because it simply is not true. If there was any possibility of wrongdoing, they would act on it. I have seen it happen before, and they took the right course of action. If you were killed, there are one of two possibilities vis a vis S3V's motivation in doing so. 99.99% You hung around too long, they were on an active gang operation, there were reports of neutrals engaging people in the area, they were dealing with other neutral spies that were being used by a red gang, and you happened to look extra suspicious and being their sovereign space they had every right to take action to protect it. 00.01% They just wanted to pop you for the fun and because they thought they could get away with it since they have sovereignty there. In the latter case, if CVA finds legitimate evidence of said behavior, the corporation or alliance involved will be held accountable, served a notice that they are to reimburse the interested party, or further reprimands and actions will be taken. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}

Royal Sinner	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:32:00 - [51] Edited by: Royal Sinner on 01/04/2009 16:34:27 @Mutnin: I¦ve been in the system when u were shot. U have been considered as a spy because u talked about the exact position of the Sev3rance defence Fleet and their Gatecamp in Localchanel while reds were in system. Considering this and the age of your alt u should not be suprised that -7- thought u were a spy and shot u. Contact a -7-Diplo if u want to avoid perma KOS standing. But your smack in Local and in this forum will not help u get your ship back. And u should learn how to behave in Providence before u start blaiming the Holders for doing their job!
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:41:00 - [52] You can rat in providence if you have ratting lisence. You can get those from me 10mil/week. Also CVA is on my KOS list so you'll be pretty save there.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn You can rat in providence if you have ratting lisence. You can get those from me 10mil/week. Also CVA is on my KOS list so you'll be pretty save there. 0/10 --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:56:00 - [54] Providenceis about as safe as you can get in 0.0. The locals inhabitants holders will not engage you provided you are not pirating or attacking Blues and neutrals to them. to differentiate yourself from those that are up to no good. Make sure to announce in local when you see another pilot "Freedom for All" and "Death to slavers" this lets them know you are on their side as they are into the roleplaying bit in there. Other than that you should be ok once you realize who the bad guys are in there.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.02 00:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Il Morte Providenceis about as safe as you can get in 0.0. The locals inhabitants holders will not engage you provided you are not pirating or attacking Blues and neutrals to them. to differentiate yourself from those that are up to no good. Make sure to announce in local when you see another pilot "Freedom for All" and "Death to slavers" this lets them know you are on their side as they are into the roleplaying bit in there. Other than that you should be ok once you realize who the bad guys are in there. For those who arn't in the know, CVA is a RP heavy corporation, and is loyal to the Amaar Empire. You all do the math
Zumlis	Posted - 2009.04.10 08:56:00 - [56] "talked about the exact position of the Sev3rance defence Fleet and their Gatecamp in Localchanel while reds were in system." This does explain everything. Pretty much any NRDS policy includes killing everyone who does that.
small chimp	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:48:00 - [57] These things happen. I remember there was a thread where a similiar newbie like this was raging after his frigate was killed in severance gatecamp. (After he targeted their fleet) In the end the newbie was kicked out from his own alliance.


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