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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.31 21:55:00 -
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Hi Again,
Alright after some consideration, and some prodding by previous investors to do a bit more I have decided to offer a 3 Month Investment opportunity to those interested. This time I am willing to do and am having an audit done (because I want too not because you want me too!) I found someone in-game who has been playing for a while that will do it for free, and that seems fairly reputable. NO you can't do it too. I will take some SS of my recent transactions as well. Also my toon has increased efficency becuase I Stopped training mining and trained a bunch of trading skills. go go go.
Anyway to hopefully avoid the travesty of last time, I will be accepting a maximum 1 billion isk - maximum 200 mil per person. I will pay out monthly 4.63% of your investment, and I have enough isk at this point in assets etc. that if nessacary I can liquidate and pay out your investment earlier (although I will still ask for about 1 week to liquidate). Also notice the more reasonable return % - this is so I don't kill myself.
Same sorta deal as last time, I am doing this because it is fun so... go for it or don't I don't care that much :)
Aattos - 200 million
800 million still available.
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Aeragogos Orycheious
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Posted - 2009.03.31 21:55:00 -
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Wait... how can I take SS of my transactions w/o giving away what I am trading and where??
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Garandhero
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:02:00 -
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I will be doing this guys audit for free.
FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, but I have seen so much angst I figure I will do a little pro-bono work.
Any questions please contact me online.
(FYI: I am a bit of RPer so don't be alarmed if I am wierd...)
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:38:00 -
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A few points:
1. Your still a relative unknown so there is no way you should be able to raise capital at 4.63%
2. The auditor is a complete unknown on here so the audit will have zero value (please see Xabier's audit of Evn7289).
3. With a zero value audit this shouldn't even launch.
4. No business plan
I must also say I don't like the way new IPO's/bonds are being launched with very minimal information.
Invest in me please and I return x% per month. nuff said!!
I am not sure if this is the fact that MD has moved so no one really knows what investment standards are or anyone who invests doesn't care about their cash and just throws it at anyone? Recent launches have been pretty poor as a whole on here.
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stardust CEO on 31/03/2009 22:46:06
I'll invest in this.
(No I won't)
Listen to Cosmoray.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:53:00 -
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I have thought about this some more.
I think I trust you a whole lot less now that you have tried to use a complete unknown for the audit.
This kind of goes down in the audit avoidance book (you also stated no one else can audit you).
Don't worry lads my best mate will complete the audit, and everything will be just fine!! Send your cash now, 100% safe.
Seriously, your last IPO was successful so make a proper effort at launching a bigger one. Research and set it up properly and you might get the money.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Armoured Investments
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:59:00 -
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few thing i would like to ask/ say
1 the auditor, how many previous clients has he had
2. why would i put my isk into this when i can put it in to a CD in DBANK and earn almost twice the amount.
3. why is your % so small since, i even know that you reletivly new around here so you should offer more % since you still havnt proven your worth.
4. you lack of a BP is very very lack
5. why are you asking for that amount i though with you last bond you could afford this and said you could and make it yourself? trade go wrong did it ?
6. what assest can you liquidate for this when it goes wrong,
7, how do i know this isnt a scam i mean you did say before you could do it by yourself ?
8. you continual posting on ponzai scam everyone has seriously put me off this investment. i wont be surprised that your moronic way has put people off posting as well since you were such a child in accepting in that what you were inivitablly going to get done anyway for more continual funding.
( yes everytime someone said something to me i may have argued it case but i still wrote it down and took it in to consideration later)
those are all the questions i can think off at the moment that arnt awnsered in this because the lack of ANY BP what so ever, this to me also shows lack or intrest since you couldnt even be bothered to write something decent down.
(also is my class of posting getting better i am trying to fit in more with more revelent questions and trying to work with the community now instead of againt it i am sorry to everyone)
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Garandhero
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:07:51
Um excuse me? Unknown.....
I have been playing for over 3 years in EVE - I have done everything from trading to mercenary work
I have been in well known alliances, including IRON, FLE and Razor. I have many many friends ingame.
I have run my own corporation for for 2.5+ years and have a solid reputation in game. I don't post much in the forums, as "you all" do enough for everyone, but I lurk everyday.
I find it funny that because I don't spam the forums I am an unknown. You guys have a seriously skewed perspective of the EVE universe. Please spare me your self congratulatory, richeousness its pathetic. Ya'll have to realize EVE is not played on the forums, its ingame where I am... enjoy! Anyway I'm going to audit this dude tomorrow, I will let you know what I find -
Thanks.
I'll see if this guy is legit once and for all. Prolly will be able to answer and your questions too Armoured C.. Good ?'s btw I am interested :) However having a BP doesn't nesscarily mean anything. sometimes a BP can be more of a liability - especially for new toons working solo.
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Romanov DeBeers
Gallente
Small Gods
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Romanov DeBeers on 31/03/2009 23:13:36
 Originally by: Garandhero
I will be doing this guys audit for free.
FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, but I have seen so much angst I figure I will do a little pro-bono work.
Any questions please contact me online.
(FYI: I am a bit of RPer so don't be alarmed if I am wierd...)
A RPer who has never posted on the RP forums....strange that.
In fact only 1 post on any forums before today.
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Garandhero
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Romanov DeBeers
Originally by: Garandhero
I will be doing this guys audit for free.
FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, but I have seen so much angst I figure I will do a little pro-bono work.
Any questions please contact me online.
(FYI: I am a bit of RPer so don't be alarmed if I am wierd...)
A RPer who has never posted on the RP forums....strange that.
In fact only 1 post on any forums before today.
Seems that way - listen I don't have time nor do I needa explain myself suffice it to say my acount was hacked (keylogged) about 2 months ago, CCP managed to get it back to me, but since then I have noticed all my previous posts are gone (and no I dont post in RP forum again I play EVE not the Forums) I think they cleared it all - some other stuff was missing too..., not sure.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Garandhero
FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this,
So who have you done this for before?
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Romanov DeBeers
Gallente
Small Gods
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:17:00 -
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Garandhero, you have no standing in the MD forum so unless one of the MD elders states that they trust you, your audit is worthless. You might be as honest as the day is long but no one will accept your audit so why bother.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Armoured Investments
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:19:00 -
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All i asked was for your previous audits so that we can maybe search them up, and see detailed you went into it. I never once questioned your ability in any way. You are also not the only one here that has done everything in game but this being the case doesn't make you a automatic expert or induce bragging rights to this discussion. If you are so hard on the defensive it make more people nervous about your audit with the op since he didn't want a audit with some top auditors in the business and now he only having one with you. Even by your prospective that has got to look a bit weird.
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Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:21:00 -
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This is just a joke,
You spent the last few week emoraging with infantile posts about being accused of a ponzi scheme, and now you want a bil of other peoples money with a promise of a random return plucked out of the air, with an offer of an audit by "some guy". Also why are you bothering with screen shots - an auditor with your API will be enough (unless of course you're planning a photoshop job and the auditor is gonna say whatever you ask/is an alt)
You could offer 100% collateral with 25% return and there would still be no way I'd invest - frankly you'd be better of deleting this toon and trying again, you've irreversibly ruined your reputation with your recent behavior. You'd be better off spamming Jita with offers to return 3x anything people send you.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:24:00 -
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Garand, nothing personal.
You might have all the experience in the game, alliance, corp director, etc.....
but,
In MD you are unknown. That is the only thing that is important.
No investor will accept an audit unless they are a KNOWN auditor on the MD forum.
Go ahead and do the audit, no one will give it any value.
Why waste your time.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Armoured Investments
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:24:00 -
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i would also like to point out that Garandhero isn't even reconised in the IRON or razor kill boards.
iron killboard
razor killboard
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:24:00 -
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The more Aeragogos (and his alt/main Garandhero) post, the more certain I become that he is going to scam at some point in the future. I could list the red flags but cosmoray has already done that.
I won't be surprised though if the OP gets the money he's looking for though.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:38:00 -
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I was going to type up a nice long list of why I wouldn't touch this but then I saw cosmoray's post and he boiled it down pretty nicley. So, I'll just quote him for emphasis,
Originally by: cosmoray
A few points:
1. Your still a relative unknown so there is no way you should be able to raise capital at 4.63%
2. The auditor is a complete unknown on here so the audit will have zero value (please see Xabier's audit of Evn7289).
3. With a zero value audit this shouldn't even launch.
4. No business plan
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious
This time I am willing to do and am having an audit done (because I want too not because you want me too!)
I loved that bit. And now I'm going out because I waaaaaaaaant (Said the husband while falling to the street after being pushed through the window by his wife). But then you come with an unknown and the audit is useless.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:42:00 -
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Aerag,
Contract me 1.1bil isk in assets, and have each person that buys shares post and I will hold your assets until you close the bond down. At that point long as everythign is as stated you get assets back and everyone is happy.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:48:00 -
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cosmo, what I think we're seeing is the pushback from players new to the MD Forum, as the MD Regulars push for audits/etc from 1+ Billion IPOs/Bonds.
In hindsight, this could have been expected.
To those that are going to insist that Aera have an audit done by someone with MD Forum cred, just let it go. The experienced investors won't invest in this, leaving plenty of room for newer investors to risk their funds.
To Aera, sincerely, good luck and good fortune with your bond. The audit is only valuable to those who know the auditor or know the auditor's reputation. I'm sure that those players that are familiar with Garandhero will have no problem with investing in your venture.
Can we just post that this still smells like a scam, that we're not going to invest in it, and simply let Aera's venture unfold, for better or worse?
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- Who Dares, Wins
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Garandhero
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:51:51
/sigh.
Anyway doing the audit tomorrow. Like I said I don't care what ya'll think - just doing it sorta for my own knowledge cause I interested in investing in this dude before too but was scared away by his lack of auditing. Ill post results here, but yea I guess since I don't spam a lot I don't have a lot to go on... Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me.
Anyway we'll see.. I still think Aera is suspicious too :)
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Garandhero
Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me.
You could at least say who you've done this for before (since you say you have a "usual rate"), that's not a weird/impolite/inappropriate question, is it?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Garandhero
Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:51:51
/sigh.
Anyway doing the audit tomorrow. Like I said I don't care what ya'll think - just doing it sorta for my own knowledge cause I interested in investing in this dude before too but was scared away by his lack of auditing. Ill post results here, but yea I guess since I don't spam a lot I don't have a lot to go on... Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me.
Anyway we'll see.. I still think Aera is suspicious too :)
If you usually charge 200M ISK for this you must have quite a business.
I will accept your audit results if 3 people you have successfully audited for post here. That will improve your rep even though you don't post.
Get some clients to post and why you audited.
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Solisk
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Posted - 2009.04.01 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Garandhero
Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:51:51
/sigh.
Anyway doing the audit tomorrow. Like I said I don't care what ya'll think - just doing it sorta for my own knowledge cause I interested in investing in this dude before too but was scared away by his lack of auditing. Ill post results here, but yea I guess since I don't spam a lot I don't have a lot to go on... Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me.
Anyway we'll see.. I still think Aera is suspicious too :)
Just because some of us here are active on the in-game forums does not mean that they don't actively play the game.
As for your rather childish response to being labeled "unknown", you have to understand that the OP is coming to the MD FORUMS to fund his offering and that you've come to the MD FORUMS to perform the audit. Regardless of any experience you may have in game, it seems that no one here has ever heard of you, therefore you completely lack credibility on the MD FORUMS.
See what I'm trying to get at?
To the OP: There is a MD community-accepted way to offer an IPO/Bond and if you do not meet those requirements, we have no reason to trust you or your offering.
The MD regulars are strict about these procedures in order to weed out any potential scammers and those too inept to run an offering successfully. At the moment, you pretty much fall into one of these two categories. I'll let you guess which one.
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Sikozu Prioris
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.04.01 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Garandhero
Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:07:51
Um excuse me? Unknown.....
I have been playing for over 3 years in EVE - I have done everything from trading to mercenary work
I have been in well known alliances, including IRON, FLE and Razor. I have many many friends ingame.
I have run my own corporation for for 2.5+ years and have a solid reputation in game. I don't post much in the forums, as "you all" do enough for everyone, but I lurk everyday.
I find it funny that because I don't spam the forums I am an unknown. You guys have a seriously skewed perspective of the EVE universe. Please spare me your self congratulatory, richeousness its pathetic. Ya'll have to realize EVE is not played on the forums, its ingame where I am... enjoy! Anyway I'm going to audit this dude tomorrow, I will let you know what I find -
Thanks.
I'll see if this guy is legit once and for all. Prolly will be able to answer and your questions too Armoured C.. Good ?'s btw I am interested :) However having a BP doesn't nesscarily mean anything. sometimes a BP can be more of a liability - especially for new toons working solo.
Doesn't matter a blind bit what the hell you've done in eve for your life. Actually read through MD a few pages and see how it works. If you don't like how it rolls here then don't post.
In MD it matters what you've done that is publically availible for others to see. If you want to participate in MD, then post here. Don't expect to come along and rule the place with 1 post.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2009.04.01 00:12:00 -
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Even if your "audit" comes up roses, and even if I had the vaguest of ideas on what your plan is, your investment has a fatal flaw: Who wants to risk anything for 4.63% return?
I understand you want to pay a "reasonable return" so you don't kill yourself, but investors would generally rather risk capital in someone willing to kill themselves for rate of return higher than the pittance you've offered here.
Further, your auditor has an attitude problem.
Resolve these issues and post again, please.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:37:00 -
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Hmm, guess I'm the only person who's feeling slightly more honest here but Garandhero can kiss my ass. I don't give a **** if you clean Chribba's roid plunger "in-game", you aren't known here. Here being the Market Discussion forums where this offering is posted.
This actually isn't about you and your "in-game" reputation at all. He picked a guy who's never done an audit to do his audit, how exactly do we feel comfortable with you doing it? You ARE an unknown, we don't know what auditing or financial skills you bring to the table. Get off your "in-game" throne for a second and consider that this isn't a personal attack on you but rather a part of the processes that we have developed on this forum to avoid being scammed. ****, I would expect Cosmo to raise red flags if I was wanting to do the audit because I've never done one regardless of my "in-game" or forum presence. Take a breath and consider our argument without throwing your toys at us and emo/quit/rage.
To end on a positive note, I'm glad that you want to give auditing a try and would love for you to get the hang of it and be able to contribute in that capacity on these forums. But I'm not about to accept your audit as trusted when I've never seen or heard of you performing an audit just as I would expect you to have an issue with me performing open heart surgery on you.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.01 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I was going to type up a nice long list of why I wouldn't touch this but then I saw cosmoray's post and he boiled it down pretty nicley. So, I'll just quote him for emphasis,
Originally by: cosmoray
A few points:
1. Your still a relative unknown so there is no way you should be able to raise capital at 4.63%
2. The auditor is a complete unknown on here so the audit will have zero value (please see Xabier's audit of Evn7289).
3. With a zero value audit this shouldn't even launch.
4. No business plan
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.01 05:46:00 -
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