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flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Ricdic this is so bad Actually , it's quite amusing.I am hoping part 3 will be even better. Soon in cinema's near you : 'Scamminator 3 '
Vincent Gaines Tau Online Explorator Corp	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:17:00 - [32] no.
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:54:00 - [33] Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 13:54:28 Ooook. Well I am about 90% done with my audit as I see it and I have found the following. Firstly this guy was very likely scamming you earlier - back in his original offerings he had almost no legit trade income, he appears to have sold a time card (x2) for a total of 640million isk then deposited about 200 mil from another source to pay back interest. I mean he had some trade income, but no where near enough to equal the payouts he promised back a few weeks ago. Now I don't know if it was his goal to totally scam people, or if hes just some sort of good samaritan who doesn't mind spending real $$ to payout to players ingame, but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. However, since he was called out on the forums it seems he has had some sort of rebirth lol. He actually has a fairly good trade going, trading t2 and named items out Jita to other market hubs. It looks like in the last 2 weeks he has made 600 million, 400 million straight from trading and 200 million from a guy named Aattos (whom Aera said reinvested with him and I can confirm is not an alt). He also made appx. 6 million from selling tritanium he mined. Currently he has 2 Bestowers, a Retreiver t2 fit, and a couple frigs scattered around. No very valuable assets. He has apprx. 350 million in Sell orders He has appx. 500 million in ISK He has appx. 0 in Buy Orders (which i think is dumb) He claims to have nada in buy orders because he trades straight out of Jita just buying for the lowest price available and moving quickly. He has been selling consistently for 2 weeks now, and he was at one point up to 600 million ish in ISK then reinvested about 300 million. (and has since moved back up to 500mil liquid isk) Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot lol. He imo tried to scam you and then realized he was caught and is now trying to do it legit. Invest at your own risk I say - like I said the past few weeks he has been doing O.K. but nothing spectacular, and its just straight up buy/sell trading mostly of T2 items which IMO can be risky. Hope this sheds some light on the issue.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 13:54:28 Ooook. Well I am about 90% done with my audit as I see it and I have found the following. Firstly this guy was very likely scamming you earlier - back in his original offerings he had almost no legit trade income, he appears to have sold a time card (x2) for a total of 640million isk then deposited about 200 mil from another source to pay back interest. I mean he had some trade income, but no where near enough to equal the payouts he promised back a few weeks ago. Now I don't know if it was his goal to totally scam people, or if hes just some sort of good samaritan who doesn't mind spending real $$ to payout to players ingame, but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. However, since he was called out on the forums it seems he has had some sort of rebirth lol. He actually has a fairly good trade going, trading t2 and named items out Jita to other market hubs. It looks like in the last 2 weeks he has made 600 million, 400 million straight from trading and 200 million from a guy named Aattos (whom Aera said reinvested with him and I can confirm is not an alt). He also made appx. 6 million from selling tritanium he mined. Currently he has 2 Bestowers, a Retreiver t2 fit, and a couple frigs scattered around. No very valuable assets. He has apprx. 350 million in Sell orders He has appx. 500 million in ISK He has appx. 0 in Buy Orders (which i think is dumb) He claims to have nada in buy orders because he trades straight out of Jita just buying for the lowest price available and moving quickly. He has been selling consistently for 2 weeks now, and he was at one point up to 600 million ish in ISK then reinvested about 300 million. (and has since moved back up to 500mil liquid isk) Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot lol. He imo tried to scam you and then realized he was caught and is now trying to do it legit. Invest at your own risk I say - like I said the past few weeks he has been doing O.K. but nothing spectacular, and its just straight up buy/sell trading mostly of T2 items which IMO can be risky. Hope this sheds some light on the issue. I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:21:00 - [35] well considering this is one of your first public audits, i say good call. and good job bringing us the data... that beeing said, i would recomend you used a template for your audits. and that you refrained from ridiculing your customers.... good thing that we got it confirmed none the less... This is a signature not related to EVE
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:22:00 - [36] Originally by: eVaLF Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 13:54:28 Ooook. Well I am about 90% done with my audit as I see it and I have found the following. Firstly this guy was very likely scamming you earlier - back in his original offerings he had almost no legit trade income, he appears to have sold a time card (x2) for a total of 640million isk then deposited about 200 mil from another source to pay back interest. I mean he had some trade income, but no where near enough to equal the payouts he promised back a few weeks ago. Now I don't know if it was his goal to totally scam people, or if hes just some sort of good samaritan who doesn't mind spending real $$ to payout to players ingame, but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. However, since he was called out on the forums it seems he has had some sort of rebirth lol. He actually has a fairly good trade going, trading t2 and named items out Jita to other market hubs. It looks like in the last 2 weeks he has made 600 million, 400 million straight from trading and 200 million from a guy named Aattos (whom Aera said reinvested with him and I can confirm is not an alt). He also made appx. 6 million from selling tritanium he mined. Currently he has 2 Bestowers, a Retreiver t2 fit, and a couple frigs scattered around. No very valuable assets. He has apprx. 350 million in Sell orders He has appx. 500 million in ISK He has appx. 0 in Buy Orders (which i think is dumb) He claims to have nada in buy orders because he trades straight out of Jita just buying for the lowest price available and moving quickly. He has been selling consistently for 2 weeks now, and he was at one point up to 600 million ish in ISK then reinvested about 300 million. (and has since moved back up to 500mil liquid isk) Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot lol. He imo tried to scam you and then realized he was caught and is now trying to do it legit. Invest at your own risk I say - like I said the past few weeks he has been doing O.K. but nothing spectacular, and its just straight up buy/sell trading mostly of T2 items which IMO can be risky. Hope this sheds some light on the issue. I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. he just made the baddest tank out there, it cant kill anything but he cant die either... and ye, only choice he had was to call out the scammer... This is a signature not related to EVE
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:38:00 - [37] Originally by: eVaLF I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. My first thought, really. But since this audit was pointless (the business wasn't remotely interesting even being legit), maybe it was stupidity, or this could have been orchestrated since the begining, who knows... what I know is that I would not risk isk with Garand in the future. EVE Knowledge
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 16:03:22 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: eVaLF I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. My first thought, really. But since this audit was pointless (the business wasn't remotely interesting even being legit), maybe it was stupidity, or this could have been orchestrated since the begining, who knows... what I know is that I would not risk isk with Garand in the future. Risk isk with me how? I am not the one with the offering....thats Aera and I only ridicule him because I think hes a scammer and have no tolerance for their kind. But I didn't just call him out, I also mentioned that recently his trades have been legit so it wasn't all bad :) Hey I'm just tryin to help ya guys out. about me not being on KB's Like i said my account was keylogged a while back, my main toon sold off the account. CCP was able to reclaim my account but not the toon for some reason so I have been left with this alt as my main. My old main is there tho, not gonna say it on forums but ill tell you ingame if you must know :) but really not sure why i'm the focus of this thread now tbh. Anyway good day, back to ingame to play.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:24:00 - [39] Audit told us nothing. Can't trust the auditor. No one would invest in the OP anyway, so this is all a waste of time. No doubt the auditor will appear again, and I won't trust that audit either. In fact I won't trust a single audit he will ever do. The only auditors I trust have a decent history on here. You can't have an audit history and no MD history.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Garandhero about me not being on KB's Like i said my account was keylogged a while back, my main toon sold off the account. CCP was able to reclaim my account but not the toon for some reason so I have been left with this alt as my main. My old main is there tho, not gonna say it on forums but ill tell you ingame if you must know :) but really not sure why i'm the focus of this thread now tbh. Anyway good day, back to ingame to play. Originally by: Garandhero Seems that way - listen I don't have time nor do I needa explain myself suffice it to say my acount was hacked (keylogged) about 2 months ago, CCP managed to get it back to me, but since then I have noticed all my previous posts are gone (and no I dont post in RP forum again I play EVE not the Forums) I think they cleared it all - some other stuff was missing too..., not sure. Note you did mention the key logger, but you claimed it only deleted your posts you posted prior to this with this character, not that they deleted your character. BTW who have you audited before so I can make sure to stay away? Or you still can't tell us this even though the auditors job is to inform the public? ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:32:00 - [41] if the auditor could tell us his old main that would put it into prospective but other thank liky you say something and it actually being true is something completly different , id say i was a russian ballerina but in truth i am not, you say youve done everything you have no proof, you word is as just as bad as the OP's im sorry to say but considering you main is not active any more you old past doesnt have any bearing on your legitimate now . that is your main and you main hasnt done any of these or done anything worth of your word here WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Mortifiyr	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:36:00 - [42] This seams like an elaborate way of getting credit in the MD fourms for an auditor. Having your account hacked and telling everyone might be honest, however its probably not very good for business.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 16:03:22 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: eVaLF I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. My first thought, really. But since this audit was pointless (the business wasn't remotely interesting even being legit), maybe it was stupidity, or this could have been orchestrated since the begining, who knows... what I know is that I would not risk isk with Garand in the future. Risk isk with me how? I am not the one with the offering....thats Aera and I only ridicule him because I think hes a scammer and have no tolerance for their kind. But I didn't just call him out, I also mentioned that recently his trades have been legit so it wasn't all bad :) Hey I'm just tryin to help ya guys out. about me not being on KB's Like i said my account was keylogged a while back, my main toon sold off the account. CCP was able to reclaim my account but not the toon for some reason so I have been left with this alt as my main. My old main is there tho, not gonna say it on forums but ill tell you ingame if you must know :) but really not sure why i'm the focus of this thread now tbh. Anyway good day, back to ingame to play. The largest scams were supported by the auditors. As I said it can be just that he is not smart enough, but that's just one of two possibilities. I understood that you had recovered your main, sorry if you're not. It is just that I don't want to take the risk of the other posibility being the correct one. Nothing personal. Scammers come with a lot of ****, sorry if this has thrown some dirt on you, but you know that there is no way to know if you're saying the truth about your character (very convenient or very shameful). But... why did you claim that you are known in the first place? Maybe you were even known (not the same as being known and trusted), but since that character don't belong to you anymore, you are not known anymore. We thought you were the one being known, not another char, that's why we looked for you (your character name) to check your claims. It is absurd (maybe a mistake) for you to say that you did this and that and not say that it was with another char in the first place. EVE Knowledge
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:39:00 - [44] This is the picture I'm looking at: A guy has an offering, where he expects the people of the market discussion to invest in. To be succesful, he needs their trust, and to gain it he needs to be proven legit, thusly he gets an auditor. The auditor is totally unkown to the entire MD forums. Yet it's expected that now the MD people trust him enough to give him money. After looking at this picture, I have to ask, how do you recon you'll get the investors trust with another person no one trusts? In order for us to trust you, you need to trust us by submitting to an auditor WE TRUST. You're trying to put out fire with fire. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:42:00 - [45] Edited by: Armoured C on 01/04/2009 16:45:21 i also find it weird that after you " deleted " charater you never went back to PVP after appreantly being part of well PVP orintated corperation and alliances. didnt even find you charater on battleclinic you smell of bad alt infact i wouldnt put it past that you are the OP's alt just out of curiosity would like to know who IF at all was you last character :P and you still havnt told us who you audited earlier WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:39:00 - [46] Edited by: JitaBum on 01/04/2009 17:39:23 This thread is a spiraling, disgraceful web of lies.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:47:00 - [47] Me thinks that the OP is going to keep coming back until his has completed a scam, whether with main or myriad of ALTS.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Garandhero Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot [...] Hope this sheds some light on the issue. Do you have another alt or account to 'audit' Garandhero now, to 'prove' that he's not tied to Aeragogos Orycheious?
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Garandhero Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot [...] Hope this sheds some light on the issue. Do you have another alt or account to 'audit' Garandhero now, to 'prove' that he's not tied to Aeragogos Orycheious? i would also want that guy to be check for alts as well :) WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:26:00 - [50] /me scratches head. Not sure why I am taking flak - I just told u what I found on this guys account, I don't care if you invest with him or not. I wouldn't suggest it, and I don't care if you trust my audit or not really either. You'll notice i'm not adverting for people to use me as an auditor..... so... yea not getting all the bad blood. Like I said in fairness to whomever bought my toon from whomever keylogged me I'd rather not say publically who my old main was (not the guy who bought the toon's fault IMO right?), but I will tell peeps on confidence online if you like to look me up on killboards to verify, then again how do you know I am not just throwing up a random name.... Well ****... I guess accounts being hacked is even worse than I thought. though I suppose some of you make points, only those who knew my main and know that it was really keylogged would be able to trust me - oh well thats fine. Yet again I stress though I just did this to help for some reason Aera thought I would pad his operation and while I see he has done some legit trading in the past few weeks, his past actions are just bad. right-o then. hahaha I am just thinking you guys are tough!
Emywn Vanya Caldari Redemption or Retribution The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:26:00 - [51] If the auditor actually had a decent reputation in game, you just found the perfect way to ruin it. Research and understanding why an IPO needs an audit would have been advisable. Thats assuming your not an alt of an alt of an alt ----------------------- The answer is 42
Haruka Watanabe	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:23:00 - [52] irl auditors and accountants have to get licenses from various regulatory boards. To get these licenses people have to pass tests and go through background checks. EVE doesn't really have a government, unless you count CCP and they're pretty much the definition of laissez faire. People have therefore devised ways to establish trust and for better or worse MD and other forums are a stand-in.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:25:00 - [53] you still havnt answered who you previously audit'd and since our op isnt even in this thread do believe you are him since in the last thread he made , he was all over it :) WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Garandhero /me scratches head. Who's saying you're taking heat? We're just saying you went through the trouble for nothing as you do not have the reputation required to do any good. Also, it just appears that you and the OP are the same person, and that this is just another scam thread. Whether it's true on your part or not, should not really affect you at all. You can leave now that you've given that audit and let us rip the wings off the OP. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:48:00 - [55] Originally by: cosmoray Me thinks that the OP is going to keep coming back until his has completed a scam, whether with main or myriad of ALTS. Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkle
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:58:00 - [56] Saw thread - knew it would be bad - left it along - came back later, saw thread had grown - figured fire was raging - saw thread get a lot bigger - decided hey maybe I'm wrong - read thread What a waste of time. Somebody shoot me for bothering to post in this thread.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:07:00 - [57] hey look i found a better investment which is more secured :) Certificate of Deposit: 2 Month CD: 5% monthly rate (60 Days, 0.16% Daily, 10.5% Total) 3 Month CD: 6% monthly rate (90 Days, 0.2% Daily, 19.7% Total) 4 Month CD: 7% monthly rate (120 Days, 0.23% Daily, 31.7% Total) at DBANK WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:13:00 - [58] Originally by: Garandhero (...) but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. Note those same people are asking you questions which you are refusing to answer... FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
Mortifiyr	Posted - 2009.04.01 21:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Haruka Watanabe irl auditors and accountants have to get licenses from various regulatory boards. To get these licenses people have to pass tests and go through background checks. EVE doesn't really have a government, unless you count CCP and they're pretty much the definition of laissez faire. People have therefore devised ways to establish trust and for better or worse MD and other forums are a stand-in. Thats a good point Haruka. To get a CPA with which you can do audits you also need at least two years of audit experiance at a corporation under the review of an already licenced CPA before your even able to take the CPA exam. Furthermore you have to earn CPE credits every year (continued schooling) to keep it and you need to have and maintain a clean backround. However when auditing the most important part of auditing is having no connection or bias towards the party being audited. It would be great if CCP put in some sort of license system for trusted people approved by a Board of Accountants like irl. Anyway sorry for rambling, I'm an accounting major.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 22:22:00 - [60] i would love to learn how to audit, as i wouldnt actually charge since i like doing that sort of thing ( i do the safe check every week because i just enjoy it for some weird reason i like doing stuff like that) YES i am weird. can someone teach me how to audit please :) looking for someone to teach me how to audit

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