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Aeragogos Orycheious	Posted - 2009.03.31 21:55:00 - [1] Hi Again, Alright after some consideration, and some prodding by previous investors to do a bit more I have decided to offer a 3 Month Investment opportunity to those interested. This time I am willing to do and am having an audit done (because I want too not because you want me too!) I found someone in-game who has been playing for a while that will do it for free, and that seems fairly reputable. NO you can't do it too. I will take some SS of my recent transactions as well. Also my toon has increased efficency becuase I Stopped training mining and trained a bunch of trading skills. go go go. Anyway to hopefully avoid the travesty of last time, I will be accepting a maximum 1 billion isk - maximum 200 mil per person. I will pay out monthly 4.63% of your investment, and I have enough isk at this point in assets etc. that if nessacary I can liquidate and pay out your investment earlier (although I will still ask for about 1 week to liquidate). Also notice the more reasonable return % - this is so I don't kill myself. Same sorta deal as last time, I am doing this because it is fun so... go for it or don't I don't care that much :) Aattos - 200 million 800 million still available.
Aeragogos Orycheious	Posted - 2009.03.31 21:55:00 - [2] Wait... how can I take SS of my transactions w/o giving away what I am trading and where??
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.03.31 22:02:00 - [3] I will be doing this guys audit for free. FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, but I have seen so much angst I figure I will do a little pro-bono work. Any questions please contact me online. (FYI: I am a bit of RPer so don't be alarmed if I am wierd...)
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.31 22:38:00 - [4] A few points: 1. Your still a relative unknown so there is no way you should be able to raise capital at 4.63% 2. The auditor is a complete unknown on here so the audit will have zero value (please see Xabier's audit of Evn7289). 3. With a zero value audit this shouldn't even launch. 4. No business plan I must also say I don't like the way new IPO's/bonds are being launched with very minimal information. Invest in me please and I return x% per month. nuff said!! I am not sure if this is the fact that MD has moved so no one really knows what investment standards are or anyone who invests doesn't care about their cash and just throws it at anyone? Recent launches have been pretty poor as a whole on here.
Stardust CEO Stardust Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.03.31 22:46:00 - [5] Edited by: Stardust CEO on 31/03/2009 22:46:06 I'll invest in this. (No I won't) Listen to Cosmoray.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.31 22:53:00 - [6] I have thought about this some more. I think I trust you a whole lot less now that you have tried to use a complete unknown for the audit. This kind of goes down in the audit avoidance book (you also stated no one else can audit you). Don't worry lads my best mate will complete the audit, and everything will be just fine!! Send your cash now, 100% safe. Seriously, your last IPO was successful so make a proper effort at launching a bigger one. Research and set it up properly and you might get the money.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.31 22:59:00 - [7] few thing i would like to ask/ say 1 the auditor, how many previous clients has he had 2. why would i put my isk into this when i can put it in to a CD in DBANK and earn almost twice the amount. 3. why is your % so small since, i even know that you reletivly new around here so you should offer more % since you still havnt proven your worth. 4. you lack of a BP is very very lack 5. why are you asking for that amount i though with you last bond you could afford this and said you could and make it yourself? trade go wrong did it ? 6. what assest can you liquidate for this when it goes wrong, 7, how do i know this isnt a scam i mean you did say before you could do it by yourself ? 8. you continual posting on ponzai scam everyone has seriously put me off this investment. i wont be surprised that your moronic way has put people off posting as well since you were such a child in accepting in that what you were inivitablly going to get done anyway for more continual funding. ( yes everytime someone said something to me i may have argued it case but i still wrote it down and took it in to consideration later) those are all the questions i can think off at the moment that arnt awnsered in this because the lack of ANY BP what so ever, this to me also shows lack or intrest since you couldnt even be bothered to write something decent down. (also is my class of posting getting better i am trying to fit in more with more revelent questions and trying to work with the community now instead of againt it i am sorry to everyone) WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:07:51 Um excuse me? Unknown..... I have been playing for over 3 years in EVE - I have done everything from trading to mercenary work I have been in well known alliances, including IRON, FLE and Razor. I have many many friends ingame. I have run my own corporation for for 2.5+ years and have a solid reputation in game. I don't post much in the forums, as "you all" do enough for everyone, but I lurk everyday. I find it funny that because I don't spam the forums I am an unknown. You guys have a seriously skewed perspective of the EVE universe. Please spare me your self congratulatory, richeousness its pathetic. Ya'll have to realize EVE is not played on the forums, its ingame where I am... enjoy! Anyway I'm going to audit this dude tomorrow, I will let you know what I find - Thanks. I'll see if this guy is legit once and for all. Prolly will be able to answer and your questions too Armoured C.. Good ?'s btw I am interested :) However having a BP doesn't nesscarily mean anything. sometimes a BP can be more of a liability - especially for new toons working solo.
Romanov DeBeers Gallente Small Gods	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:09:00 - [9] Edited by: Romanov DeBeers on 31/03/2009 23:13:36 Originally by: Garandhero I will be doing this guys audit for free. FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, but I have seen so much angst I figure I will do a little pro-bono work. Any questions please contact me online. (FYI: I am a bit of RPer so don't be alarmed if I am wierd...) A RPer who has never posted on the RP forums....strange that. In fact only 1 post on any forums before today.
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Romanov DeBeers Originally by: Garandhero I will be doing this guys audit for free. FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, but I have seen so much angst I figure I will do a little pro-bono work. Any questions please contact me online. (FYI: I am a bit of RPer so don't be alarmed if I am wierd...) A RPer who has never posted on the RP forums....strange that. In fact only 1 post on any forums before today. Seems that way - listen I don't have time nor do I needa explain myself suffice it to say my acount was hacked (keylogged) about 2 months ago, CCP managed to get it back to me, but since then I have noticed all my previous posts are gone (and no I dont post in RP forum again I play EVE not the Forums) I think they cleared it all - some other stuff was missing too..., not sure.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Garandhero FYI: I usually would charge about 200 mil for this, So who have you done this for before? FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
Romanov DeBeers Gallente Small Gods	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:17:00 - [12] Garandhero, you have no standing in the MD forum so unless one of the MD elders states that they trust you, your audit is worthless. You might be as honest as the day is long but no one will accept your audit so why bother.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:19:00 - [13] All i asked was for your previous audits so that we can maybe search them up, and see detailed you went into it. I never once questioned your ability in any way. You are also not the only one here that has done everything in game but this being the case doesn't make you a automatic expert or induce bragging rights to this discussion. If you are so hard on the defensive it make more people nervous about your audit with the op since he didn't want a audit with some top auditors in the business and now he only having one with you. Even by your prospective that has got to look a bit weird. WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Dagda Morr Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:21:00 - [14] This is just a joke, You spent the last few week emoraging with infantile posts about being accused of a ponzi scheme, and now you want a bil of other peoples money with a promise of a random return plucked out of the air, with an offer of an audit by "some guy". Also why are you bothering with screen shots - an auditor with your API will be enough (unless of course you're planning a photoshop job and the auditor is gonna say whatever you ask/is an alt) You could offer 100% collateral with 25% return and there would still be no way I'd invest - frankly you'd be better of deleting this toon and trying again, you've irreversibly ruined your reputation with your recent behavior. You'd be better off spamming Jita with offers to return 3x anything people send you. Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:24:00 - [15] Garand, nothing personal. You might have all the experience in the game, alliance, corp director, etc..... but, In MD you are unknown. That is the only thing that is important. No investor will accept an audit unless they are a KNOWN auditor on the MD forum. Go ahead and do the audit, no one will give it any value. Why waste your time.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:24:00 - [16] i would also like to point out that Garandhero isn't even reconised in the IRON or razor kill boards. iron killboard razor killboard WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:24:00 - [17] The more Aeragogos (and his alt/main Garandhero) post, the more certain I become that he is going to scam at some point in the future. I could list the red flags but cosmoray has already done that. I won't be surprised though if the OP gets the money he's looking for though.
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:38:00 - [18] I was going to type up a nice long list of why I wouldn't touch this but then I saw cosmoray's post and he boiled it down pretty nicley. So, I'll just quote him for emphasis, Originally by: cosmoray A few points: 1. Your still a relative unknown so there is no way you should be able to raise capital at 4.63% 2. The auditor is a complete unknown on here so the audit will have zero value (please see Xabier's audit of Evn7289). 3. With a zero value audit this shouldn't even launch. 4. No business plan
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Aeragogos Orycheious This time I am willing to do and am having an audit done (because I want too not because you want me too!) I loved that bit. And now I'm going out because I waaaaaaaaant (Said the husband while falling to the street after being pushed through the window by his wife). But then you come with an unknown and the audit is useless. EVE Knowledge
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:42:00 - [20] Aerag, Contract me 1.1bil isk in assets, and have each person that buys shares post and I will hold your assets until you close the bond down. At that point long as everythign is as stated you get assets back and everyone is happy. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Drab Cane Mining Emporium inc.	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:48:00 - [21] cosmo, what I think we're seeing is the pushback from players new to the MD Forum, as the MD Regulars push for audits/etc from 1+ Billion IPOs/Bonds. In hindsight, this could have been expected. To those that are going to insist that Aera have an audit done by someone with MD Forum cred, just let it go. The experienced investors won't invest in this, leaving plenty of room for newer investors to risk their funds. To Aera, sincerely, good luck and good fortune with your bond. The audit is only valuable to those who know the auditor or know the auditor's reputation. I'm sure that those players that are familiar with Garandhero will have no problem with investing in your venture. Can we just post that this still smells like a scam, that we're not going to invest in it, and simply let Aera's venture unfold, for better or worse? ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:50:00 - [22] Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:51:51 /sigh. Anyway doing the audit tomorrow. Like I said I don't care what ya'll think - just doing it sorta for my own knowledge cause I interested in investing in this dude before too but was scared away by his lack of auditing. Ill post results here, but yea I guess since I don't spam a lot I don't have a lot to go on... Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me. Anyway we'll see.. I still think Aera is suspicious too :)
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Garandhero Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me. You could at least say who you've done this for before (since you say you have a "usual rate"), that's not a weird/impolite/inappropriate question, is it? FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:51:51 /sigh. Anyway doing the audit tomorrow. Like I said I don't care what ya'll think - just doing it sorta for my own knowledge cause I interested in investing in this dude before too but was scared away by his lack of auditing. Ill post results here, but yea I guess since I don't spam a lot I don't have a lot to go on... Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me. Anyway we'll see.. I still think Aera is suspicious too :) If you usually charge 200M ISK for this you must have quite a business. I will accept your audit results if 3 people you have successfully audited for post here. That will improve your rep even though you don't post. Get some clients to post and why you audited.
Solisk	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:51:51 /sigh. Anyway doing the audit tomorrow. Like I said I don't care what ya'll think - just doing it sorta for my own knowledge cause I interested in investing in this dude before too but was scared away by his lack of auditing. Ill post results here, but yea I guess since I don't spam a lot I don't have a lot to go on... Oh well plenty of folks who actually play eve can trust me. Anyway we'll see.. I still think Aera is suspicious too :) Just because some of us here are active on the in-game forums does not mean that they don't actively play the game. As for your rather childish response to being labeled "unknown", you have to understand that the OP is coming to the MD FORUMS to fund his offering and that you've come to the MD FORUMS to perform the audit. Regardless of any experience you may have in game, it seems that no one here has ever heard of you, therefore you completely lack credibility on the MD FORUMS. See what I'm trying to get at? To the OP: There is a MD community-accepted way to offer an IPO/Bond and if you do not meet those requirements, we have no reason to trust you or your offering. The MD regulars are strict about these procedures in order to weed out any potential scammers and those too inept to run an offering successfully. At the moment, you pretty much fall into one of these two categories. I'll let you guess which one.
Sikozu Prioris Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 31/03/2009 23:07:51 Um excuse me? Unknown..... I have been playing for over 3 years in EVE - I have done everything from trading to mercenary work I have been in well known alliances, including IRON, FLE and Razor. I have many many friends ingame. I have run my own corporation for for 2.5+ years and have a solid reputation in game. I don't post much in the forums, as "you all" do enough for everyone, but I lurk everyday. I find it funny that because I don't spam the forums I am an unknown. You guys have a seriously skewed perspective of the EVE universe. Please spare me your self congratulatory, richeousness its pathetic. Ya'll have to realize EVE is not played on the forums, its ingame where I am... enjoy! Anyway I'm going to audit this dude tomorrow, I will let you know what I find - Thanks. I'll see if this guy is legit once and for all. Prolly will be able to answer and your questions too Armoured C.. Good ?'s btw I am interested :) However having a BP doesn't nesscarily mean anything. sometimes a BP can be more of a liability - especially for new toons working solo. Doesn't matter a blind bit what the hell you've done in eve for your life. Actually read through MD a few pages and see how it works. If you don't like how it rolls here then don't post. In MD it matters what you've done that is publically availible for others to see. If you want to participate in MD, then post here. Don't expect to come along and rule the place with 1 post.
Kitex Blacktag Test Labs	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:12:00 - [27] Even if your "audit" comes up roses, and even if I had the vaguest of ideas on what your plan is, your investment has a fatal flaw: Who wants to risk anything for 4.63% return? I understand you want to pay a "reasonable return" so you don't kill yourself, but investors would generally rather risk capital in someone willing to kill themselves for rate of return higher than the pittance you've offered here. Further, your auditor has an attitude problem. Resolve these issues and post again, please.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.04.01 02:37:00 - [28] Hmm, guess I'm the only person who's feeling slightly more honest here but Garandhero can kiss my ass. I don't give a ** if you clean Chribba's roid plunger "in-game", you aren't known here. Here being the Market Discussion forums where this offering is posted. This actually isn't about you and your "in-game" reputation at all. He picked a guy who's never done an audit to do his audit, how exactly do we feel comfortable with you doing it? You ARE an unknown, we don't know what auditing or financial skills you bring to the table. Get off your "in-game" throne for a second and consider that this isn't a personal attack on you but rather a part of the processes that we have developed on this forum to avoid being scammed. , I would expect Cosmo to raise red flags if I was wanting to do the audit because I've never done one regardless of my "in-game" or forum presence. Take a breath and consider our argument without throwing your toys at us and emo/quit/rage. To end on a positive note, I'm glad that you want to give auditing a try and would love for you to get the hang of it and be able to contribute in that capacity on these forums. But I'm not about to accept your audit as trusted when I've never seen or heard of you performing an audit just as I would expect you to have an issue with me performing open heart surgery on you. Quote:** Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.01 05:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Kwint Sommer I was going to type up a nice long list of why I wouldn't touch this but then I saw cosmoray's post and he boiled it down pretty nicley. So, I'll just quote him for emphasis, Originally by: cosmoray A few points: 1. Your still a relative unknown so there is no way you should be able to raise capital at 4.63% 2. The auditor is a complete unknown on here so the audit will have zero value (please see Xabier's audit of Evn7289). 3. With a zero value audit this shouldn't even launch. 4. No business plan this ^^ This is a signature not related to EVE
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.01 05:46:00 - [30] this is so bad
flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Ricdic this is so bad Actually , it's quite amusing.I am hoping part 3 will be even better. Soon in cinema's near you : 'Scamminator 3 '
Vincent Gaines Tau Online Explorator Corp	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:17:00 - [32] no.
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:54:00 - [33] Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 13:54:28 Ooook. Well I am about 90% done with my audit as I see it and I have found the following. Firstly this guy was very likely scamming you earlier - back in his original offerings he had almost no legit trade income, he appears to have sold a time card (x2) for a total of 640million isk then deposited about 200 mil from another source to pay back interest. I mean he had some trade income, but no where near enough to equal the payouts he promised back a few weeks ago. Now I don't know if it was his goal to totally scam people, or if hes just some sort of good samaritan who doesn't mind spending real $$ to payout to players ingame, but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. However, since he was called out on the forums it seems he has had some sort of rebirth lol. He actually has a fairly good trade going, trading t2 and named items out Jita to other market hubs. It looks like in the last 2 weeks he has made 600 million, 400 million straight from trading and 200 million from a guy named Aattos (whom Aera said reinvested with him and I can confirm is not an alt). He also made appx. 6 million from selling tritanium he mined. Currently he has 2 Bestowers, a Retreiver t2 fit, and a couple frigs scattered around. No very valuable assets. He has apprx. 350 million in Sell orders He has appx. 500 million in ISK He has appx. 0 in Buy Orders (which i think is dumb) He claims to have nada in buy orders because he trades straight out of Jita just buying for the lowest price available and moving quickly. He has been selling consistently for 2 weeks now, and he was at one point up to 600 million ish in ISK then reinvested about 300 million. (and has since moved back up to 500mil liquid isk) Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot lol. He imo tried to scam you and then realized he was caught and is now trying to do it legit. Invest at your own risk I say - like I said the past few weeks he has been doing O.K. but nothing spectacular, and its just straight up buy/sell trading mostly of T2 items which IMO can be risky. Hope this sheds some light on the issue.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 13:54:28 Ooook. Well I am about 90% done with my audit as I see it and I have found the following. Firstly this guy was very likely scamming you earlier - back in his original offerings he had almost no legit trade income, he appears to have sold a time card (x2) for a total of 640million isk then deposited about 200 mil from another source to pay back interest. I mean he had some trade income, but no where near enough to equal the payouts he promised back a few weeks ago. Now I don't know if it was his goal to totally scam people, or if hes just some sort of good samaritan who doesn't mind spending real $$ to payout to players ingame, but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. However, since he was called out on the forums it seems he has had some sort of rebirth lol. He actually has a fairly good trade going, trading t2 and named items out Jita to other market hubs. It looks like in the last 2 weeks he has made 600 million, 400 million straight from trading and 200 million from a guy named Aattos (whom Aera said reinvested with him and I can confirm is not an alt). He also made appx. 6 million from selling tritanium he mined. Currently he has 2 Bestowers, a Retreiver t2 fit, and a couple frigs scattered around. No very valuable assets. He has apprx. 350 million in Sell orders He has appx. 500 million in ISK He has appx. 0 in Buy Orders (which i think is dumb) He claims to have nada in buy orders because he trades straight out of Jita just buying for the lowest price available and moving quickly. He has been selling consistently for 2 weeks now, and he was at one point up to 600 million ish in ISK then reinvested about 300 million. (and has since moved back up to 500mil liquid isk) Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot lol. He imo tried to scam you and then realized he was caught and is now trying to do it legit. Invest at your own risk I say - like I said the past few weeks he has been doing O.K. but nothing spectacular, and its just straight up buy/sell trading mostly of T2 items which IMO can be risky. Hope this sheds some light on the issue. I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:21:00 - [35] well considering this is one of your first public audits, i say good call. and good job bringing us the data... that beeing said, i would recomend you used a template for your audits. and that you refrained from ridiculing your customers.... good thing that we got it confirmed none the less... This is a signature not related to EVE
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:22:00 - [36] Originally by: eVaLF Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 13:54:28 Ooook. Well I am about 90% done with my audit as I see it and I have found the following. Firstly this guy was very likely scamming you earlier - back in his original offerings he had almost no legit trade income, he appears to have sold a time card (x2) for a total of 640million isk then deposited about 200 mil from another source to pay back interest. I mean he had some trade income, but no where near enough to equal the payouts he promised back a few weeks ago. Now I don't know if it was his goal to totally scam people, or if hes just some sort of good samaritan who doesn't mind spending real $$ to payout to players ingame, but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. However, since he was called out on the forums it seems he has had some sort of rebirth lol. He actually has a fairly good trade going, trading t2 and named items out Jita to other market hubs. It looks like in the last 2 weeks he has made 600 million, 400 million straight from trading and 200 million from a guy named Aattos (whom Aera said reinvested with him and I can confirm is not an alt). He also made appx. 6 million from selling tritanium he mined. Currently he has 2 Bestowers, a Retreiver t2 fit, and a couple frigs scattered around. No very valuable assets. He has apprx. 350 million in Sell orders He has appx. 500 million in ISK He has appx. 0 in Buy Orders (which i think is dumb) He claims to have nada in buy orders because he trades straight out of Jita just buying for the lowest price available and moving quickly. He has been selling consistently for 2 weeks now, and he was at one point up to 600 million ish in ISK then reinvested about 300 million. (and has since moved back up to 500mil liquid isk) Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot lol. He imo tried to scam you and then realized he was caught and is now trying to do it legit. Invest at your own risk I say - like I said the past few weeks he has been doing O.K. but nothing spectacular, and its just straight up buy/sell trading mostly of T2 items which IMO can be risky. Hope this sheds some light on the issue. I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. he just made the baddest tank out there, it cant kill anything but he cant die either... and ye, only choice he had was to call out the scammer... This is a signature not related to EVE
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:38:00 - [37] Originally by: eVaLF I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. My first thought, really. But since this audit was pointless (the business wasn't remotely interesting even being legit), maybe it was stupidity, or this could have been orchestrated since the begining, who knows... what I know is that I would not risk isk with Garand in the future. EVE Knowledge
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 16:03:22 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: eVaLF I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. My first thought, really. But since this audit was pointless (the business wasn't remotely interesting even being legit), maybe it was stupidity, or this could have been orchestrated since the begining, who knows... what I know is that I would not risk isk with Garand in the future. Risk isk with me how? I am not the one with the offering....thats Aera and I only ridicule him because I think hes a scammer and have no tolerance for their kind. But I didn't just call him out, I also mentioned that recently his trades have been legit so it wasn't all bad :) Hey I'm just tryin to help ya guys out. about me not being on KB's Like i said my account was keylogged a while back, my main toon sold off the account. CCP was able to reclaim my account but not the toon for some reason so I have been left with this alt as my main. My old main is there tho, not gonna say it on forums but ill tell you ingame if you must know :) but really not sure why i'm the focus of this thread now tbh. Anyway good day, back to ingame to play.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:24:00 - [39] Audit told us nothing. Can't trust the auditor. No one would invest in the OP anyway, so this is all a waste of time. No doubt the auditor will appear again, and I won't trust that audit either. In fact I won't trust a single audit he will ever do. The only auditors I trust have a decent history on here. You can't have an audit history and no MD history.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Garandhero about me not being on KB's Like i said my account was keylogged a while back, my main toon sold off the account. CCP was able to reclaim my account but not the toon for some reason so I have been left with this alt as my main. My old main is there tho, not gonna say it on forums but ill tell you ingame if you must know :) but really not sure why i'm the focus of this thread now tbh. Anyway good day, back to ingame to play. Originally by: Garandhero Seems that way - listen I don't have time nor do I needa explain myself suffice it to say my acount was hacked (keylogged) about 2 months ago, CCP managed to get it back to me, but since then I have noticed all my previous posts are gone (and no I dont post in RP forum again I play EVE not the Forums) I think they cleared it all - some other stuff was missing too..., not sure. Note you did mention the key logger, but you claimed it only deleted your posts you posted prior to this with this character, not that they deleted your character. BTW who have you audited before so I can make sure to stay away? Or you still can't tell us this even though the auditors job is to inform the public? ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:32:00 - [41] if the auditor could tell us his old main that would put it into prospective but other thank liky you say something and it actually being true is something completly different , id say i was a russian ballerina but in truth i am not, you say youve done everything you have no proof, you word is as just as bad as the OP's im sorry to say but considering you main is not active any more you old past doesnt have any bearing on your legitimate now . that is your main and you main hasnt done any of these or done anything worth of your word here WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Mortifiyr	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:36:00 - [42] This seams like an elaborate way of getting credit in the MD fourms for an auditor. Having your account hacked and telling everyone might be honest, however its probably not very good for business.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Garandhero Edited by: Garandhero on 01/04/2009 16:03:22 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: eVaLF I think this was yoru only chance to try and look good out of this. I think after you realized nobody trusted you or the initial offering, this turns our view back on the op and not you if your not the same person. Also you say you have been an "ACTIVE" player in Razor, Iron and such, I took the liberty to look at Razor and Iron killboards and found not one loss or kill. I went further looked at BoB, Goons, and a few others and still nothing. Does not seem like much of an active player in PVP corps to me. My first thought, really. But since this audit was pointless (the business wasn't remotely interesting even being legit), maybe it was stupidity, or this could have been orchestrated since the begining, who knows... what I know is that I would not risk isk with Garand in the future. Risk isk with me how? I am not the one with the offering....thats Aera and I only ridicule him because I think hes a scammer and have no tolerance for their kind. But I didn't just call him out, I also mentioned that recently his trades have been legit so it wasn't all bad :) Hey I'm just tryin to help ya guys out. about me not being on KB's Like i said my account was keylogged a while back, my main toon sold off the account. CCP was able to reclaim my account but not the toon for some reason so I have been left with this alt as my main. My old main is there tho, not gonna say it on forums but ill tell you ingame if you must know :) but really not sure why i'm the focus of this thread now tbh. Anyway good day, back to ingame to play. The largest scams were supported by the auditors. As I said it can be just that he is not smart enough, but that's just one of two possibilities. I understood that you had recovered your main, sorry if you're not. It is just that I don't want to take the risk of the other posibility being the correct one. Nothing personal. Scammers come with a lot of ****, sorry if this has thrown some dirt on you, but you know that there is no way to know if you're saying the truth about your character (very convenient or very shameful). But... why did you claim that you are known in the first place? Maybe you were even known (not the same as being known and trusted), but since that character don't belong to you anymore, you are not known anymore. We thought you were the one being known, not another char, that's why we looked for you (your character name) to check your claims. It is absurd (maybe a mistake) for you to say that you did this and that and not say that it was with another char in the first place. EVE Knowledge
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:39:00 - [44] This is the picture I'm looking at: A guy has an offering, where he expects the people of the market discussion to invest in. To be succesful, he needs their trust, and to gain it he needs to be proven legit, thusly he gets an auditor. The auditor is totally unkown to the entire MD forums. Yet it's expected that now the MD people trust him enough to give him money. After looking at this picture, I have to ask, how do you recon you'll get the investors trust with another person no one trusts? In order for us to trust you, you need to trust us by submitting to an auditor WE TRUST. You're trying to put out fire with fire. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:42:00 - [45] Edited by: Armoured C on 01/04/2009 16:45:21 i also find it weird that after you " deleted " charater you never went back to PVP after appreantly being part of well PVP orintated corperation and alliances. didnt even find you charater on battleclinic you smell of bad alt infact i wouldnt put it past that you are the OP's alt just out of curiosity would like to know who IF at all was you last character :P and you still havnt told us who you audited earlier WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:39:00 - [46] Edited by: JitaBum on 01/04/2009 17:39:23 This thread is a spiraling, disgraceful web of lies.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:47:00 - [47] Me thinks that the OP is going to keep coming back until his has completed a scam, whether with main or myriad of ALTS.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Garandhero Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot [...] Hope this sheds some light on the issue. Do you have another alt or account to 'audit' Garandhero now, to 'prove' that he's not tied to Aeragogos Orycheious?
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Garandhero Anyway my conclusion is this guy is an idiot [...] Hope this sheds some light on the issue. Do you have another alt or account to 'audit' Garandhero now, to 'prove' that he's not tied to Aeragogos Orycheious? i would also want that guy to be check for alts as well :) WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Garandhero	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:26:00 - [50] /me scratches head. Not sure why I am taking flak - I just told u what I found on this guys account, I don't care if you invest with him or not. I wouldn't suggest it, and I don't care if you trust my audit or not really either. You'll notice i'm not adverting for people to use me as an auditor..... so... yea not getting all the bad blood. Like I said in fairness to whomever bought my toon from whomever keylogged me I'd rather not say publically who my old main was (not the guy who bought the toon's fault IMO right?), but I will tell peeps on confidence online if you like to look me up on killboards to verify, then again how do you know I am not just throwing up a random name.... Well ****... I guess accounts being hacked is even worse than I thought. though I suppose some of you make points, only those who knew my main and know that it was really keylogged would be able to trust me - oh well thats fine. Yet again I stress though I just did this to help for some reason Aera thought I would pad his operation and while I see he has done some legit trading in the past few weeks, his past actions are just bad. right-o then. hahaha I am just thinking you guys are tough!
Emywn Vanya Caldari Redemption or Retribution The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:26:00 - [51] If the auditor actually had a decent reputation in game, you just found the perfect way to ruin it. Research and understanding why an IPO needs an audit would have been advisable. Thats assuming your not an alt of an alt of an alt ----------------------- The answer is 42
Haruka Watanabe	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:23:00 - [52] irl auditors and accountants have to get licenses from various regulatory boards. To get these licenses people have to pass tests and go through background checks. EVE doesn't really have a government, unless you count CCP and they're pretty much the definition of laissez faire. People have therefore devised ways to establish trust and for better or worse MD and other forums are a stand-in.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:25:00 - [53] you still havnt answered who you previously audit'd and since our op isnt even in this thread do believe you are him since in the last thread he made , he was all over it :) WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Garandhero /me scratches head. Who's saying you're taking heat? We're just saying you went through the trouble for nothing as you do not have the reputation required to do any good. Also, it just appears that you and the OP are the same person, and that this is just another scam thread. Whether it's true on your part or not, should not really affect you at all. You can leave now that you've given that audit and let us rip the wings off the OP. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:48:00 - [55] Originally by: cosmoray Me thinks that the OP is going to keep coming back until his has completed a scam, whether with main or myriad of ALTS. Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkle
Maestro Del'Tirith Space Exploration	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:58:00 - [56] Saw thread - knew it would be bad - left it along - came back later, saw thread had grown - figured fire was raging - saw thread get a lot bigger - decided hey maybe I'm wrong - read thread What a waste of time. Somebody shoot me for bothering to post in this thread.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:07:00 - [57] hey look i found a better investment which is more secured :) Certificate of Deposit: 2 Month CD: 5% monthly rate (60 Days, 0.16% Daily, 10.5% Total) 3 Month CD: 6% monthly rate (90 Days, 0.2% Daily, 19.7% Total) 4 Month CD: 7% monthly rate (120 Days, 0.23% Daily, 31.7% Total) at DBANK WARNING: ANGRY AND LOOKING FOR BLOOD
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:13:00 - [58] Originally by: Garandhero (...) but yea it seems like it was an attempted Ponzi + to all those who called it. Note those same people are asking you questions which you are refusing to answer... FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
Mortifiyr	Posted - 2009.04.01 21:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Haruka Watanabe irl auditors and accountants have to get licenses from various regulatory boards. To get these licenses people have to pass tests and go through background checks. EVE doesn't really have a government, unless you count CCP and they're pretty much the definition of laissez faire. People have therefore devised ways to establish trust and for better or worse MD and other forums are a stand-in. Thats a good point Haruka. To get a CPA with which you can do audits you also need at least two years of audit experiance at a corporation under the review of an already licenced CPA before your even able to take the CPA exam. Furthermore you have to earn CPE credits every year (continued schooling) to keep it and you need to have and maintain a clean backround. However when auditing the most important part of auditing is having no connection or bias towards the party being audited. It would be great if CCP put in some sort of license system for trusted people approved by a Board of Accountants like irl. Anyway sorry for rambling, I'm an accounting major.
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 22:22:00 - [60] i would love to learn how to audit, as i wouldnt actually charge since i like doing that sort of thing ( i do the safe check every week because i just enjoy it for some weird reason i like doing stuff like that) YES i am weird. can someone teach me how to audit please :) looking for someone to teach me how to audit
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.04.01 22:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Armoured C i would love to learn how to audit, as i wouldnt actually charge since i like doing that sort of thing ( i do the safe check every week because i just enjoy it for some weird reason i like doing stuff like that) YES i am weird. can someone teach me how to audit please :) Well, I'm no expert, but my understanding of auditing in EVE is just verifying that the person in question is telling the truth. Checking his information in general, his credibility, his history if he actually knows how to make money and such things. And obviously he's doing what he says with the money, that the numbers match and percentages are counted correctly. Basicly just checking if he's a lying bastard or not. It's not so much about how to do it as it is about having the MD >reputation< to do it so that other people can take your word for it. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Nial Naor	Posted - 2009.04.01 23:06:00 - [62] Edited by: Nial Naor on 01/04/2009 23:07:24 Edit: tldr - without an IPO you can make your mistakes privately. I wanted to bump this post some more because I felt that there was still a valid point to be made. While an IPO is a great way to raise capital quickly it imposes some negative constraints on the entrepreneur û namely loss of privacy, secrecy and control. The case of the OP illustrates beautifully that the benefit of keeping a low profile far outstrip the benefit of an IPO. This is especially true for a new and inexperienced trader who is likely to fall a few times, make mistakes, or even go bankrupt. Low profile is very important for a trader û the last thing you need is to people in local to recognize you as the person with the 10000000000000000000000000000000isk IPO, or the person who is known on the MD as the tool who trade in very expensive BPOÆs. Using an alt is a good idea in that context (as I am doing now), but it is not compatible with an IPO for all the reasons Kwint and others mentioned above. My advice for any budding trader is, try to get private investor such as wealthy corpmates or friends before conducting an IPO which will force undue attention upon themselves.
Drab Cane Mining Emporium inc.	Posted - 2009.04.01 23:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Nial Naor Low profile is very important for a trader û the last thing you need is to people in local to recognize you as the person with the 10000000000000000000000000000000isk IPO, or the person who is known on the MD as the tool who trade in very expensive BPOÆs. Using an alt is a good idea in that context (as I am doing now), but it is not compatible with an IPO for all the reasons Kwint and others mentioned above. Solid point. That's why a number of players will post in the forum with their main, but will conduct most of their trade activity with alts. ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.04.01 23:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Drab Cane Originally by: Nial Naor Low profile is very important for a trader û the last thing you need is to people in local to recognize you as the person with the 10000000000000000000000000000000isk IPO, or the person who is known on the MD as the tool who trade in very expensive BPOÆs. Using an alt is a good idea in that context (as I am doing now), but it is not compatible with an IPO for all the reasons Kwint and others mentioned above. Solid point. That's why a number of players will post in the forum with their main, but will conduct most of their trade activity with alts. huh i thought it would of been the other way and do i really need to use a alt =/ i like just keeping it simple with 1-2 character max looking for someone to teach me how to audit
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.02 04:57:00 - [65] Originally by: Armoured C i would love to learn how to audit, as i wouldnt actually charge since i like doing that sort of thing ( i do the safe check every week because i just enjoy it for some weird reason i like doing stuff like that) YES i am weird. can someone teach me how to audit please :) First you have to accept that 2 + 2 = 5
Drab Cane Mining Emporium inc.	Posted - 2009.04.02 07:55:00 - [66] Originally by: Armoured C huh i thought it would of been the other way and do i really need to use a alt =/ i like just keeping it simple with 1-2 character max If I'm going to move an expensive BPO that I just told everyone about in the forum, I'll want to use an alt to move it. Also, if my main's corp gets war-dec'd, I can continue trading with my alt. Personally, I do most of my trading with my main - I haven't become a big enough fish for that to be a problem. As for posting on the MD Forum, reputation and trust are important, so you would want to post with your main character most of the time. That character will have the longest verifiable history, which in turn gives grouchy MD people warm fuzzies. Hope that helps. :) ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Monkey M3n Middle School Comedy Club	Posted - 2009.04.03 18:39:00 - [67] Dont trust this guy he scammed me for 20bil..........
LiQ'd	Posted - 2009.04.03 18:44:00 - [68] Damn I missed out the '

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