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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:22:00 -
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The Alliance Tournament is so close that I can aaalmost hear the explosions. Ok not quite that close but pretty close all the same!
CCP Loxy is here to tell us all about the rules for this year's biggest event in violent destruction! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
249
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:26:00 -
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We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.
- ok, I'll be watching this tournament now.
And .. thank you! ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:30:00 -
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Secomd |
Dinta Zembo
Snuff Box
25
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:33:00 -
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Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:34:00 -
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Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.
How will this affect RvB?
As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year. Mangala is not FC, yet another randomly updated EVE blog.
http://mangala.rvbganked.co.uk/ |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
186
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:35:00 -
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Any ship rebalancing before the AT... please? How do you estimate chance of appearance on TQ of following things before AT starts:
1) Global ship rebalancing (like you already plan on frigates) 2) New modules (adaptive armor hardeners, fueled SBs, micro jump drive and so on) 3) Tracking disruptors disrupting missile damage |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:36:00 -
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Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time?
Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?). Video Producer |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2331
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:37:00 -
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Quote:Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees.
This was needed.
I get the feeling, that if you read all the rule changes CCP has made over the years, you could take a pretty accurate guess at what happened in each previous tournament.
CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?).
Thank you for this. It doesn't have to be fancy. Just something so we as a community can "be there" with the competitors enjoying the event. |
Simvastatin Montelukast
Irregular Warfare The Jagged Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:37:00 -
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Whut? no hot drops? |
44000
A Black Spot Elemental Tide
3
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:40:00 -
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Maksia III
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:41:00 -
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Can You PLEASE tell me where or when can we SING UP FOR THE TURNAMENT? I've been rereading this a few times but cant find any info on that.... |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
111
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:43:00 -
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Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost.
Quote:Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees.
Heh. |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:45:00 -
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Maksia III wrote:Can You PLEASE tell me where or when can we SING UP FOR THE TURNAMENT? I've been rereading this a few times but cant find any info on that....
Details and signups will start next week, everything will be done with notice ahead of time so just keep an eye on the dev blogs and news and you can't miss it. Video Producer |
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Dierdra Vaal
Veto. Veto Corp
177
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:46:00 -
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Good changes, although the B-team rule might be tricky to enforce.
Looking forward to this AT!
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
Ampoliros
Aperture Harmonics K162
42
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:47:00 -
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This is why we can have nice things. Cool blog, very happy with the changes so far. |
Exie
Endless Possibilities Inc.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:51:00 -
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Yea, not sure how they will track b-team rule, but look forward to it. |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:54:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:Any ship rebalancing before the AT... please? How do you estimate chance of appearance on TQ of following things before AT starts:
1) Global ship rebalancing (like you already plan on frigates) 2) New modules (adaptive armor hardeners, fueled SBs, micro jump drive and so on) 3) Tracking disruptors disrupting missile damage
The Inferno expansion will have arrived well before the tournament bringing new modules and changes with it. The blog details some of the effects on the tournament and we will address any issues that come up due to the new modules ahead of time. Obviously this does mean there's a chance of confusion as modules may be disallowed as we see their effect, we will strive to keep all teams informed of any changes.
Kadesh Priestess wrote:Also, will top 4 teams from previous AT skip pre-qualifiers (like on AT IX)?
In the past we have invited the top teams from the previous tournament directly, bypassing the qualifying stage to guarantee we have some of the best and most respected teams fighting in the final weekend. We have made the specific decision this year not to do this. All teams must go through the same process. Video Producer |
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Jupix
MuroBBS United Zombie Ninja Space Bears
20
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:55:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?).
Please try to have commentators in all matches, they are really nice and fun to listen to, and add to the overall enjoyment of the AT.
Also, I fail ! |
Rivqua
Omega Wing The Veyr Collective
2
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:57:00 -
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This has to be a typo:
"3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing for from the date that signups close. For Alliance Tournament 10 this means that pilots must have been a member of their alliance before downtime on May, 05, 2012."
We don't even know how to sign up, and you wrote you would be announcing that next week ?
- Riv |
Dierdra Vaal
Veto. Veto Corp
177
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:59:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?).
Streaming it, even without commentary, is awesome!
That said: would it be technically possible to allow 3rd parties like Eve Radio or New Eden Radio to comment (from the comfort of the commentator's own home)? So you'd send the video signal to the commentators, they rebroadcast (either to you or to the internet) with their commentary?
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
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Cutout Man
Archimedean Point
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:00:00 -
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I love how you guys don't permit B or C teams, but then setup the tournament in such a way that you guarantee that exactly that will happen. All anyone has to do is drop their selected B and C team members out of their alliance and into an alt alliance by May 5th. Nothing CCP does or says will be able to prove that those alt alliances are alts. Nothing. You have created a system that forces you to declare something you can't really prove or to ignore it, making the rules pointless. You guys have a gift for setting up stuff so that cheating is inevitable. |
Andrea Griffin
271
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:00:00 -
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I love the Alliance Tournament, can't wait for it to start! BoxeeBox + Large Screen TV = Awesome Experience. : >
I'm also 100% in support of the new rules regarding B/C teams and throwing out matches where one team is trying to throw the result. However, I can also see that being used to troll someone. For example, all you care about is that Alliance A doesn't get to the finals, so during your match, you just self destruct. What will happen there? CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:06:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?). Streaming it, even without commentary, is awesome! That said: would it be technically possible to allow 3rd parties like Eve Radio or New Eden Radio to comment (from the comfort of the commentator's own home)? So you'd send the video signal to the commentators, they rebroadcast (either to you or to the internet) with their commentary?
Perhaps if either station would like to do a special show and commentary we could embed their player below our video player and viewers could simply play both from the same page (choosing the audio they wanted to hear if there's more then one station)?
The neater solution of course being a flash player that had multiple audio selection. Video Producer |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:08:00 -
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Rivqua wrote:This has to be a typo:
"3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing for from the date that signups close. For Alliance Tournament 10 this means that pilots must have been a member of their alliance before downtime on May, 05, 2012."
We don't even know how to sign up, and you wrote you would be announcing that next week ?
- Riv
Yes a typo or rather a mistake from multiple drafts, it's now been fixed in the blog and all members of a team must be in their alliance by downtime on May 5th. Video Producer |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1215
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:10:00 -
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Cutout Man wrote:I love how you guys don't permit B or C teams, but then setup the tournament in such a way that you guarantee that exactly that will happen. All anyone has to do is drop their selected B and C team members out of their alliance and into an alt alliance by May 5th. Nothing CCP does or says will be able to prove that those alt alliances are alts. Nothing. You have created a system that forces you to declare something you can't really prove or to ignore it, making the rules pointless. You guys have a gift for setting up stuff so that cheating is inevitable.
Let's see how that works out for teams trying this.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Dierdra Vaal
Veto. Veto Corp
177
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:11:00 -
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Quote:Warping within the arena is NOT allowed.
The Inferno expansion will have arrived well before the tournament bringing new modules and changes with it.
How will this stand in relation to the proposed Micro Jump Drive module (assuming it'll make it into Inferno)? Will you allow it?
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
Andrea Griffin
271
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:11:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:The neater solution of course being a flash player that had multiple audio selection. This would be awesome - is this something you will be able to do? When the videos are uploaded to YouTube, is it possible to have multiple audio streams there as well? CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
101
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:13:00 -
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I am currently rocking a nerdboner fyi.
These rules change things enough to REALLY shake up team design, which is awesome. Loving the change to broadcasting prelims. The B team thing is going to be an enforcement headache, but I'm sure you knew that coming into this. |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:14:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:The neater solution of course being a flash player that had multiple audio selection. This would be awesome - is this something you will be able to do? When the videos are uploaded to YouTube, is it possible to have multiple audio streams there as well?
There's no support for that on YouTube and I doubt we could get the time to work on the flash player to support it, sorry to get your hopes up. We're also looking into our streaming solutions this year so I really cant say anything for certain right now. Video Producer |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1215
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:15:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Quote:Warping within the arena is NOT allowed. Quote:The Inferno expansion will have arrived well before the tournament bringing new modules and changes with it. How will this stand in relation to the proposed Micro Jump Drive module (assuming it'll make it into Inferno)? Will you allow it? Quote:Perhaps if either station would like to do a special show and commentary we could embed their player below our video player and viewers could simply play both from the same page (choosing the audio they wanted to hear if there's more then one station)?
The neater solution of course being a flash player that had multiple audio selection. Any of that is awesome - assuming you can get the video and audio to sync up to a reasonable degree (it doesn't have to be perfect but a 10 second delay is probably too much, for example).
Since warping is not allowed within the arena it would be the case that this module would be banned. The tournament referees will make a call on this closer to the time CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Andrea Griffin
271
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:16:00 -
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Too bad - maybe next year, though! : > CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
719
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:16:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?). Good to hear that |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
209
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:19:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Quote:Warping within the arena is NOT allowed. Quote:The Inferno expansion will have arrived well before the tournament bringing new modules and changes with it. How will this stand in relation to the proposed Micro Jump Drive module (assuming it'll make it into Inferno)? Will you allow it?
I'd assume it'd be allowed as it's supposed to be an untargetted jump 100km straight forward with a long activation. Considering the arena is 250km across and you can't really stop moving, it sounds like a very risky and exciting module to gamble on. |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:26:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Quote:Warping within the arena is NOT allowed. Quote:The Inferno expansion will have arrived well before the tournament bringing new modules and changes with it. How will this stand in relation to the proposed Micro Jump Drive module (assuming it'll make it into Inferno)? Will you allow it? I'd assume it'd be allowed as it's supposed to be an untargetted jump 100km straight forward with a long activation. Considering the arena is 250km across and you can't really stop moving, it sounds like a very risky and exciting module to gamble on.
Besides the balance issues it would play havoc with the camera clients keeping locks on targets. Video Producer |
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Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
30
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:30:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?).
Pick 2 random devs for each day. Supply them with large amounts of alcohol and a headset. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:37:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Cutout Man wrote:I love how you guys don't permit B or C teams, but then setup the tournament in such a way that you guarantee that exactly that will happen. All anyone has to do is drop their selected B and C team members out of their alliance and into an alt alliance by May 5th. Nothing CCP does or says will be able to prove that those alt alliances are alts. Nothing. You have created a system that forces you to declare something you can't really prove or to ignore it, making the rules pointless. You guys have a gift for setting up stuff so that cheating is inevitable. Let's see how that works out for teams trying this.
I for one, don't care for the rule in general. i know people moaned and complained about the final match of the last tournament, but face it you know who REALLY won.
I also don't like the rule about throwing a match... one of the best things to watch a team who was about to win say " give us a few bil and we will self destruct." guess we don't see that now either.
anyways, please stream and commentate the prequalifiers. also put them on youtube |
Rojo Mojo
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:39:00 -
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Will the beacons that teams are able to warp to be at different ranges or it setup so that the teams cannot start more than 100km away from each other? |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:01:00 -
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So orcas and rorquals are t1 industrial ships, can a team field those ships? |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
109
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:03:00 -
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Good changes!!! watching two fleets do a conga line for 15 mins sure was booooring. and the alt thing well.. we been over THAT point to death :)
good job CCP, will watch this year despite my earlier call not to after last years fiasco. |
Grouchy Smurf
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:04:00 -
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't see any rules regarding looting. Is it still allowed? |
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Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:07:00 -
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Commentary is crucial to any spectator event. We definitely should have some kind of audio stream for the prelims.
I like the rule changes. Itll be cool to have some new team setups |
Dierdra Vaal
Veto. Veto Corp
177
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:20:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:Commentary is crucial to any spectator event. We definitely should have some kind of audio stream for the prelims.
if all else fails, alliances (or maybe eve radio or someone) can set up a live commentary channel on eve voice or on their teamspeak/mumble/ventrilo servers.
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:25:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. How will this affect RvB? As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year.
Loxy.
RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Willt he B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?
Mangala is not FC, yet another randomly updated EVE blog.
http://mangala.rvbganked.co.uk/ |
Takeshi Ryuu
Irrational Dimension
5
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:33:00 -
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Quote:If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.
Did i read this right? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
713
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:37:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Cutout Man wrote:I love how you guys don't permit B or C teams, but then setup the tournament in such a way that you guarantee that exactly that will happen. All anyone has to do is drop their selected B and C team members out of their alliance and into an alt alliance by May 5th. Nothing CCP does or says will be able to prove that those alt alliances are alts. Nothing. You have created a system that forces you to declare something you can't really prove or to ignore it, making the rules pointless. You guys have a gift for setting up stuff so that cheating is inevitable. Let's see how that works out for teams trying this. LOL! I wonder if we'll see a third or fourth place team collect the prize this year because of a retroactive rule enforcement action.
Looking forward to seeing a couple new Caldari ships w/ an X on them! Going to guess Merlin and Caracal hulls.
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Grouchy Smurf
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:48:00 -
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Takeshi Ryuu wrote:Quote:If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score. Did i read this right?
That was always the case. Standings are related to kill-points. It stops low-scoring teams that are are about to be eliminated from flying a single T1 frigate in the arena, thus depriving points from another team. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
108
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:53:00 -
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12. Moving before the match starts is NOT allowed.
Why is this even a rule? How are is it to code a new item that prevents movement before the match starts? Hell it could be placed a the center of the arena and mark the boundaries of the arena so the viewers and participants can actually see what is going on. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3354
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:01:00 -
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Good luck to all and looking forward to some nice battles!
/c
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Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:02:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. How will this affect RvB? As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year. Loxy. RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?
Loxy
Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance?
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FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:29:00 -
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No B and C teams is FULL OF SO MUCH WIN. It will actually be a competitive and enjoyable experience, assuming the finals teams don't just throw the matches. At any rate, eliminating secondary teams will go a long way to help this. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:33:00 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:12. Moving before the match starts is NOT allowed.
Why is this even a rule? How are is it to code a new item that prevents movement before the match starts? Hell it could be placed a the center of the arena and mark the boundaries of the arena so the viewers and participants can actually see what is going on.
And a dev 250km invisible warp bubble to prevent disconnects ending up lethal would also be appreciated. ! |
Saulc Neslo
0utbreak Outbreak.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:35:00 -
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Hi,
All very good changes i think.
CCP Loxy wrote:Rivqua wrote:This has to be a typo:
"3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing for from the date that signups close. For Alliance Tournament 10 this means that pilots must have been a member of their alliance before downtime on May, 05, 2012."
We don't even know how to sign up, and you wrote you would be announcing that next week ?
- Riv Yes a typo or rather a mistake from multiple drafts, it's now been fixed in the blog and all members of a team must be in their alliance by downtime on May 5th.
So if the schedule isn't written in stone, can you please do the tourney one month earlier? I need a new injection of pricemoney fast, ive forgotten how to make isk. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
76
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:36:00 -
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The "v" in RvB means VERSUS.
The kind of laughable intellect that would have a person think Red and Blue are A and B teams is exactly the sort of genius level that CCP are renowned for avoiding.
As far as anybody* is aware, the only alliance this would affect is Pandemic Legion. It's kind of laughable to think that an alliance cannot enter the tournament if their friends do.
I'm sure Pandemic Legion will manage to make a dazzling advertisement for your entertainment this year just like year, I do so remember that Pandemic Legion advert from last year....
"Who's going to stop us? Certainly not you."
A nd B teams, stopped.
*everybody |
Takeshi Ryuu
Irrational Dimension
5
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:45:00 -
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Grouchy Smurf wrote:Takeshi Ryuu wrote:Quote:If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score. Did i read this right? That was always the case. Standings are related to kill-points. It stops low-scoring teams that are are about to be eliminated from flying a single T1 frigate in the arena, thus depriving points from another team. Checked IX tournament rules, and indeed they have the same wording.
I was under impression that if a team fielded less than max points than it was this tiem itself that got bonus score (in case it won). |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:21:00 -
[55] - Quote
Dracoth Simertet wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. How will this affect RvB? As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year. Loxy. RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community? Loxy Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance? o7 Drac
I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food).
We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:
- For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
Video Producer |
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
101
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:24:00 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Loxy wrote:Dracoth Simertet wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. How will this affect RvB? As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year. Loxy. RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community? Loxy Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance? o7 Drac I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food). We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:
- For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
Would other teams with similar specific concerns be able to contact you via some official channel to discuss it? |
Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:28:00 -
[57] - Quote
CCP Loxy wrote:Dracoth Simertet wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. How will this affect RvB? As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year. Loxy. RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community? Loxy Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance? o7 Drac I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food). We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:
- For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
Fair enough and many thanks for the clarification, I can promise you a fight should the two teams meet though ;o)
o7 DRac |
Leeloo Malaquin
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
31
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:43:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP Loxy wrote:In the past we have invited the top teams from the previous tournament directly, bypassing the qualifying stage to guarantee we have some of the best and most respected teams fighting in the final weekend. We have made the specific decision this year not to do this. All teams must go through the same process.
Not getting a direct pass over quali sounds fair and all, but does top 4 get spot in the qualis at least, or do you intend to put Darkside, Razor, Outbreak and HYDRA into the hat with the chance of having best teams out of the entire tournament, with the winners unable to defend their championship?
I realize there is the auction also, but it is only limited places and who ends up getting the ticket that way is uncertain, especially if you add 4 more teams to the race for the tickets.
Anyway, looking foward to AT10, hopefully we get the chance to defend our gold. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
Quote:For example, 4 Curses, 4 Pilgrims, and 4 Arbitrators would be legal.
Not true. Curse and Pilgrim are 14 points each and Arbys are 8. That's 144 points, which is quite illegal. Suggest you change it to "4 Atron, 4 Taranis, and 4 Ares"(which is 32 points total) or some such. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
156
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:49:00 -
[60] - Quote
Fabulous sets of rules. The 6/12 ships will make things interesting with the same point totals. I think it is quite good, it gives more advantage to lesser skillpoint teams where specialties might lie in frigates and cruisers. Should be quite exciting. WIll be browsing up more and reviewing, but one part did strike me as standing out and needing clarification
In ships and points section
1. Each team has 100 points with which to select their ships. Teams must use a minimum of 50 points. Gùª During Pre-Qualifying rounds, teams have a total of 50 points to select ships. There is no minimum number of pilots or points a team needs to field during the pre-qualifiers.
5. Unused points will be added to the opponents score.
In victory conditions at end
2. If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.
Gùª This rule applies to the 50 point limit during Pre-Qualifying, not 100 points.
To me it doesn't seem clear. Not clear if it is referencing a 100 point rule if only applies to 50 point, or if it specifically means the previously posted rule.
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:14:00 -
[61] - Quote
Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees.
Can you pleas clarify in what situations that kicks in. For example would this Dystopia vs Panda fight be legitimate or at risk of getting called
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UbUSPVaaQ
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ZenithDK
Danish Space Pioneers Frontier Trading and Co Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:32:00 -
[62] - Quote
So basically we will see no more of the "give us one biiiiillion dollars and you can have the match" since the referees will most likely void the match?
How will Goons now get into the semifinals? |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
156
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:47:00 -
[63] - Quote
NOCTIS
Skillwize and marketplace, this does count as a t1 industrial category I am guessing? |
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:NOCTIS
Skillwize and marketplace, this does count as a t1 industrial category I am guessing?
It's a T1 industrial, you can feeld it if you stop rubbing it in CCP Guard's face and making him reconsider. |
Lili Lu
214
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
Welp, I guess there will be no tiericide for BCs at least by June 30.
Anyway, I eagerly await more drake tengu and ecm centered gangs . . again. I'm absolutley thrilled. Can you see it? |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
137
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:10:00 -
[66] - Quote
on the humourous side:
I hope there is the a "Faction" based tournament, which means all team must fly ships of 1 faction.....
if that is the case I am coming with the ORE faction - I will loose hands down but man It will real awsome...
The orca - is that counted as a T1 Industrial? Can it carry replacement ships in it, if so do they count for points as well.. Would be funny where each team has a manditory 1 orca- and if it is destroyed the points would count as if all the ships were lost in that battle. Though on the other hand if the Orca which had to start at the edge of the board made it to a marker on the edge of the opponents arena then the ocra would count as not ship destroyed even though they may have been wiped out. No Micro Warpdrives permitted on the orca. The orca could carry replacement ships in if if desired, and refitting during battle would also be allowed.
Just a fun thought The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month. The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears. just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
brinelan
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:48:00 -
[67] - Quote
Quote:Flagship ship types must be created in advance and their ship hull and name submitted to CCP Alliance Tournament via Evemail no later than 01/06/2012. The fittings for a Flagship do not have to be disclosed. Fittings may also be changed from match to match.
1/6/2012, is that a typo? |
Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
137
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:59:00 -
[68] - Quote
DD/MM/YYYY The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month. The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears. just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
Overall, good rule updates. Should bring out some new formats without completely wreaking havoc on old theorycrafting ideas.
One thing I don't like is the reduction to 10 minutes of fighting in the 12vs12 matches. Quite a few matches in previous tournaments ended up taking longer than 10 minutes and were by no means decided at the 10-minute mark. If the rule stands as-as, I guarantee people (very) upset that they didn't get to play out to the end and see "who really won". I would much rather see who wins in a Rupture vs. Machariel (in low armor) fight than have it decided by the clock. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
118
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:44:00 -
[70] - Quote
spookydonut wrote:So orcas and rorquals are t1 industrial ships, can a team field those ships?
Orca is an industrial command ship and rorqual is a capital industrial ship, so no and never. |
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Jane Algaert
Aperture Harmonics K162
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:23:00 -
[71] - Quote
How many points are t2 industrial ships ? >.> <.< |
Fr0stle
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:28:00 -
[72] - Quote
Cap Tyrian wrote: Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. Can you pleas clarify in what situations that kicks in. For example would this Dystopia vs Panda fight be legitimate or at risk of getting called http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UbUSPVaaQ Clarification of this is certainly needed. As it stands the rules are very arbitrary and essentially saying "if we don't like what you do we will remove you from the AT, but we won't tell you what we do and do not like".
There are valid situations where not competing would be the 'best' option for a team. If not competing because you are already certain to proceed and finishing second would mean a more desirable spot in the next bracket then now what is a team supposed to do?
Secondly, not guaranteeing the top four from last year a spot in the tourney seems a bit excessive don't you think? I'm all in favor of having every team go through qualifiers, but telling teams that have consistently ended in the top of the tourney that they now risk not being able to compete seems wrong. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
400
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:41:00 -
[73] - Quote
I like these changes of rules as they attempt to minimize the meta-gaming that has started to spread within the tournament.
As we all know; like weed, meta-gaming spreads. It would be a pity to see the tournament get too infected by that crap, eventually turning it in to some kind of farce where the "winner" is whatever guy who bought his way there. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
6
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:05:00 -
[74] - Quote
Fr0stle wrote:There are valid situations where not competing would be the 'best' option for a team. If not competing because you are already certain to proceed and finishing second would mean a more desirable spot in the next bracket then now what is a team supposed to do?
Field a mix of T1 cruisers and frigates and burn them to the max. It's not a guaranteed loss, but it's close enough and could be entertaining.
Fr0stle wrote:Secondly, not guaranteeing the top four from last year a spot in the tourney seems a bit excessive don't you think? I'm all in favor of having every team go through qualifiers, but telling teams that have consistently ended in the top of the tourney that they now risk not being able to compete seems wrong.
If it was up to me, the top 2 teams from the last year should be disqualified at the start this year. That disgrace of a final match is the reason why there are rules against it this year in the first place. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:17:00 -
[75] - Quote
Raivi wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Dracoth Simertet wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. How will this affect RvB? As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year. Loxy. RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community? Loxy Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance? o7 Drac I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food). We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:
- For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.
Would other teams with similar specific concerns be able to contact you via some official channel to discuss it?
Yes you can contact us at [email protected] if anyone would like to discuss an alliance entry ahead of time. Video Producer |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:23:00 -
[76] - Quote
Leeloo Malaquin wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:In the past we have invited the top teams from the previous tournament directly, bypassing the qualifying stage to guarantee we have some of the best and most respected teams fighting in the final weekend. We have made the specific decision this year not to do this. All teams must go through the same process. Not getting a direct pass over quali sounds fair and all, but does top 4 get spot in the qualis at least, or do you intend to put Darkside, Razor, Outbreak and HYDRA into the hat with the chance of having best teams out of the entire tournament, with the winners unable to defend their championship? I realize there is the auction also, but it is only limited places and who ends up getting the ticket that way is uncertain, especially if you add 4 more teams to the race for the tickets. Anyway, looking foward to AT10, hopefully we get the chance to defend our gold.
Everyone goes into the hat & the much larger auction system which we will post the details of in the next few days. There's never a perfect solution for this but we believe we have the best chance of getting in all the major teams and those that really want a place. Video Producer |
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
6
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:02:00 -
[77] - Quote
General feedback for the devblog:
- Tournament rules:
- The only change I can see here is the 'B' team rule which is much needed after the last year. I only hope that CCP will find a correct way to detect 'B' teams.
- Match rules:
- Since you can now field 12 ships and the match is still 10 minutes long, there will be much more DPS on the field. My bet is on Tier 3 BC fleets all over the tournament.
- Penalties:
- I generally don't like referees even in football matches. Even if the referee is unbiased, there will be decisions that will be flamed all over the forum. Don't forget player created propaganda, alliance wide flaming and trolling as well as rage over certain decisions. Large alliances will be much more vocal and influential than smaller ones which brings small alliances in an unfair position of being ignored if the referee acted against it (or didn't act against their opponents when needed). Good luck with the referees, but please consider my advice that they should be used almost exclusively for acting against obvious cases of rule breaking. They should keep out of the actual matches as much as possible.
- Place & Tactics:
- One would think that after 9 organized tournaments there would be some development effort to make the actual arena with invisible walls and an arena wide bubble that prevents warp once the match starts. I really hoped that the 10th alliance tournament would have this (it's a milestone after all).
- Ships & Points:
- Destroyers and Interdictors have the same value?
- Having Tier 3 battlecruisers cost less than Tier 2, it will make teams use the Tier 3 setup more. Since it's a high DPS/speed platform it could go both ways in a fight against battleship heavy fleet or even Minmatar rush team. Either way, good choice.
- Fitting restrictions:
- I'm not sure if Augmented drones are a good idea. Their availability on the market is questionable.
Overall, I'm happy with the rules and hope that they will bring a real tournament this year, instead of what we had last year. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
641
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
Quote:Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees.
Good, Good...
CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?).
Nice, I'd love to see it, commentary would be nice but very basic commentary with not to much "funny interludes" would be fine. Just a little summup of the teams and their ships and what not. But if that is to much of a big deal that could be given in text format I guess.
The ten minutes thing at first struck me as a pitty. But then again most matches where concluded in 10 minutes anyway in one way or another. It would be a pitty though if there was a sluggout that would be cut short. I think some kind of overtime would be nice. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
128
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:20:00 -
[79] - Quote
I am looking forward to maybe having more ships pr team, however up to 4 of each ship seems a recipe to monotomy... People will just take the ships that work and take as many of them blobbing/blapping the enemy instead of configuring their team for teamwork...
Pinky |
GiantSquid
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:06:00 -
[80] - Quote
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Fr0stle wrote:There are valid situations where not competing would be the 'best' option for a team. If not competing because you are already certain to proceed and finishing second would mean a more desirable spot in the next bracket then now what is a team supposed to do? If it was up to me, the top 2 teams from the last year should be disqualified at the start this year. That disgrace of a final match is the reason why there are rules against it this year in the first place.
Well the reason that happend in the final in the first place is even though members of those top 2 allainces had requested some kind of block to this tactic in the years past CCP did nothing, it was only because it happend in a final that so much was focused on it, if you're going to ban the two winning teams then you also need to ban all the large fail alliances (with far more resourses) who did this in the same year and years before , which would leave you very little of the old names left.
Now CCP will take revenge for thier own lack of control at the start....fortunatly for them It was not Goonswarm or PL / big allaince doing this in the final, its easier for them to squash the small player groups.
On the plus side I am glad they are chainging this rule, its just a shame that GM nova did not eat his mouse mat, I hear punishment for this is a few months away from being resolved. |
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
167
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:29:00 -
[81] - Quote
Would it be possible to hold the auction *after* the random drawing of teams has been completed?
i.e. Draw 60 teams randomly; announce them, then auction off the last 4 spots.
Thanks. - |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
5
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:38:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP Loxy wrote:Everyone goes into the hat & the much larger auction system which we will post the details of in the next few days. There's never a perfect solution for this but we believe we have the best chance of getting in all the major teams and those that really want a place.
This is ridiculous. I don't mind fighting in the qualifiers like everyone else, but not even have a guaranteed spot for the top alliances from last year is stupid.
There is a perfect solution: top 4 alliances from last year get a reserved spot in the tournament. I've never seen anyone complain about this before and it seems perfectly reasonable. Why would you even come up with the idea of changing it??
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
293
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:45:00 -
[83] - Quote
Tossing a match: While we all love a good fight, and I understand you want to punish people for not fighting, how can you possibly enforce this?
--- Some teams will field joke setups and do things "for the fun of it" when their ability to move up the ladder is essentially hopeless.... Once they give up on winning, they have nothing to lose in the match, but their opponents do....
--- While you can punish the losing team A for purposely losing, you can NOT punish the winning team B... If you do, someone enterprising third party, like a team C or a pro-gambler, can knock out team B by paying team A to purposely throw the match. In such a case, Team B is TOTALLY RUINED and they didn't do anything wrong!!!!!!!! This particular case WILL happen in the second round of the qualifiers when there are a bunch of teams that know they won't make it beyond the qualifiers, and are open to purposely tossing matches!!! Do you see the nightmare it is to enforce this????
---- If losing team A purposely forfeits to winning team B, and you can NOT punish winning team B (for the reasons stated above), then team B WILL still bribe team A to forfeit all they want, because there is no penalty to them to do so.
There is one way you should simplify this rule: If you purposely forfeit a match, you forfeit the tournament... --- note: you still have problems when teams, after decisively beating an opponent, sacrifice ships to help their opponent move up in the ladder without forfeiting.... You better clarify that too...
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:25:00 -
[84] - Quote
Faffywaffy wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Everyone goes into the hat & the much larger auction system which we will post the details of in the next few days. There's never a perfect solution for this but we believe we have the best chance of getting in all the major teams and those that really want a place. This is ridiculous. I don't mind fighting in the qualifiers like everyone else, but not even have a guaranteed spot for the top alliances from last year is stupid. There is a perfect solution: top 4 alliances from last year get a reserved spot in the tournament. I've never seen anyone complain about this before and it seems perfectly reasonable. Why would you even come up with the idea of changing it??
What this guy said - tournament isn't improved by the absence of top teams and your quest for "fairness" is stupid. I'm rather disappointed in you people, obviously haven't learned anything from the mess last time. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:57:00 -
[85] - Quote
In for Boas |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
75
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
Quote:We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team. So you want more than 5-6 participants this year then .. good on ya!
Quote:Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees. So you want it to be an actual contest/tournament this year then .. good on ya!
About time you got through your heads that honourable/seriousbusiness competition should not be fashioned after the ridiculous yank phenomenon called "Pro Wrestling" |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
76
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:26:00 -
[87] - Quote
Any chance CCP might define what CCP means by a "B" team? There appears to be a lot of assumptions flying around about the official definition, since the penalty for infringement is severe, would it not be appropriate to be very specific indeed about what you are banning? |
McFly
Peanut Factory
30
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Posted - 2012.05.05 08:34:00 -
[88] - Quote
CCP Loxy,
I've been able to get an app in for a corp to enter the alliance. Will you accept approved apps on May 05 ? or does the 24 hr stasis period have to have completed?
I've got a good few pilots in our brosef corp that I want on my tourney team. But we didnt see the devblog until friday. Which is making it difficult to get this taken care of within the 24 hr ingame stasis timer. |
Belona Force
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 10:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
Guaranteed spot for top alliances? You have got to be kidding. From what I seen last year I would be happy not to see them back. I want to see some skill out on the field and not ISK. I like a lot of others was done with watching the tournament, but with the new changes, IGÇÖm back! Looking for the team with good ship set ups and fittings and skilled pilots and F.C. |
Cannery Canoule
War is Bliss
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:43:00 -
[90] - Quote
Belona Force wrote:Guaranteed spot for top alliances? You have got to be kidding. From what I seen last year I would be happy not to see them back. I want to see some skill out on the field and not ISK. I like a lot of others was done with watching the tournament, but with the new changes, IGÇÖm back! Looking for the team with good ship set ups and fittings and skilled pilots and F.C.
The final was pretty awful but not sure what you mean by skill instead of ISK.
Hydra and Outbreak went undefeated in the tournament with both teams. They beat both Darkside, PL and every other team they faced. Funnily enough the only matches either team lost were the ones they rigged (outbreak vs razor, and hydra vs outbreak).
Unless you really believe they paid off all those teams then lol... Although if that's the case then beating Hydra should be easy this year! Just don't let them pay you! |
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Ryans Revenge
League of Legends
42
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:50:00 -
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"All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012."
Does this mean my corp are unable to compete in the alliance tournament as I've only read this devblog today? You gave people 3 days notice to be in an alliance?
I understand this for alliance hopping but I myself was planning to create an alliance for my corp to take part but am now unable to do so as I wasn't around last week.
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Firnas
The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
12
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:05:00 -
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Would like to see deadline of pilots joining moved from May 5th to something more like May 10th or 15th.
Giving 3 days from announcement probably wasn't enough for some pilots, I know it wasn't for our guys. We send some pilots into the contract's corporations to help them with defense contracts and I couldn't pull guys out fast enough. |
sevyn nine
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:00:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Everyone goes into the hat & the much larger auction system which we will post the details of in the next few days. There's never a perfect solution for this but we believe we have the best chance of getting in all the major teams and those that really want a place. This is ridiculous. I don't mind fighting in the qualifiers like everyone else, but not even have a guaranteed spot for the top alliances from last year is stupid. There is a perfect solution: top 4 alliances from last year get a reserved spot in the tournament. I've never seen anyone complain about this before and it seems perfectly reasonable. Why would you even come up with the idea of changing it?? What this guy said - tournament isn't improved by the absence of top teams and your quest for "fairness" is stupid. I'm rather disappointed in you people, obviously haven't learned anything from the mess last time.
I agree (obviously, being the Razor team captain). I am confused and dissapointed by this utterly stupid change. Regardless of the rigging and throwing of matches that went on, you can't deny that the top few teams were strong teams. I'm not sure if we will buy a spot or let luck dictate our participation.
I want to lose in the first round of the actual tourney, not the first round of the qualifiers! |
Raging Beaver
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:22:00 -
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sevyn nine wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Everyone goes into the hat & the much larger auction system which we will post the details of in the next few days. There's never a perfect solution for this but we believe we have the best chance of getting in all the major teams and those that really want a place. This is ridiculous. I don't mind fighting in the qualifiers like everyone else, but not even have a guaranteed spot for the top alliances from last year is stupid. There is a perfect solution: top 4 alliances from last year get a reserved spot in the tournament. I've never seen anyone complain about this before and it seems perfectly reasonable. Why would you even come up with the idea of changing it?? What this guy said - tournament isn't improved by the absence of top teams and your quest for "fairness" is stupid. I'm rather disappointed in you people, obviously haven't learned anything from the mess last time. I agree (obviously, being the Razor team captain). I am confused and dissapointed by this utterly stupid change. Regardless of the rigging and throwing of matches that went on, you can't deny that the top few teams were strong teams. I'm not sure if we will buy a spot or just let luck dictate our participation.
I don't think anyone's trying to deny that the top 4 last year were good. I think that things are this way, as the 2 teams that would theoretically deserve to be handed spots in this year's tournament the most, meaning the champions and vice champions, would have to be excluded according to the new rules. It's these guys you should thank IMHO. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
18
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Posted - 2012.05.17 03:45:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:The neater solution of course being a flash player that had multiple audio selection. This would be awesome - is this something you will be able to do? When the videos are uploaded to YouTube, is it possible to have multiple audio streams there as well?
They could just put different audio on the left and right channels. It's a messy solution and only allows 2 options with a stereo audio track - but it works. Pan control ftw. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
18
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Posted - 2012.05.17 03:57:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Everyone goes into the hat & the much larger auction system which we will post the details of in the next few days. There's never a perfect solution for this but we believe we have the best chance of getting in all the major teams and those that really want a place. This is ridiculous. I don't mind fighting in the qualifiers like everyone else, but not even have a guaranteed spot for the top alliances from last year is stupid. There is a perfect solution: top 4 alliances from last year get a reserved spot in the tournament. I've never seen anyone complain about this before and it seems perfectly reasonable. Why would you even come up with the idea of changing it??
Only the previous years winning team should be guaranteed a chance to defend their title. Everyone else should just be randomly drawn. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Trip Phaze
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:37:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?). hmm, EvE world has been affected by the crisis, a year ago there weren't so many waiting for auctions, CCP really wanted to take from us as much isk as they can?. it would be fair to an automatic draw |
Trip Phaze
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.24 10:00:00 -
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Trip Phaze wrote:CCP Loxy wrote:Dinta Zembo wrote:Will we have live streams for the qualifiers this time? Yes, as a result of last year's experiment and the reaction from the players we identified this as a must have. We will be streaming the qualifiers but it will be low key and simple, at this point we're not sure if there will even be commentary (thoughts?). hmm, EvE world has been affected by the crisis, a year ago there weren't so many waiting for auctions, CCP really wanted to take from us as much isk as they can?. it would be fair to an automatic draw
I think this part of the community interested in the Tournament should boycott the auction . |
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