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Armoured C
PLAYBOYS
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:58:00 -
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I think what you said in the interviews with ten ton hammer are great and don't be scared to protect the game and the economy, people may hate you but it what will be necessary
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
486
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:04:00 -
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I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read.
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:17:00 -
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I disagree.
Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community.
See this thread for some replies...
RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores.
RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!
I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:22:00 -
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Armoured C wrote:I think what you said in the interviews with ten ton hammer are great and don't be scared to protect the game and the economy, people may hate you but it what will be necessary
<3
I like his Goonish intensity about breaking the datacores market
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:22:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:I disagree. Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community. See this thread for some replies... RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores. RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period! I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.
what false presises was that?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
171
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:23:00 -
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So how long until the bounty NERF CCP Soundwave? Is there a magic number with Inflation that when it gets hit there'll be a 10% cut on ALL bounties? Inquiring minds want to know. Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
21
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:24:00 -
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So we have rampant inflation, and what does he decide to do? Remove one of the major sources of minerals from the game, and replace it with another isk faucet. CCP logic derp. |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
109
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:25:00 -
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Armoured C wrote:I think what you said in the interviews with ten ton hammer are great and don't be scared to protect the game and the economy, people may hate you but it what will be necessary
<3
Wheres the unlike button? Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:29:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
what false premise was that?
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The one that CCP Soundwave says that RPing is a source of ISK.
It is not. It is a source of DATACORES... doh! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6356
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:42:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what false premise was that? The one that CCP Soundwave says that RPing is a source of ISK. That's not a false premise GÇö they are a source of ISK, just not an ISK faucet. It's this passive income generation that Soundwave wants gone. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1892
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what false premise was that? The one that CCP Soundwave says that RPing is a source of ISK. That's not a false premise GÇö they are a source of ISK, just not an ISK faucet. It's this passive income generation that Soundwave wants gone.
Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.
Training skills to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.
Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.
Traveling to agent's location to redeem Data Cores. Nothing passive about that.
Transporting Data Cores to various regional markets to sell. Nothing passive about that.
Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.
EDIT: The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income. |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what false premise was that? The one that CCP Soundwave says that RPing is a source of ISK. That's not a false premise GÇö they are a source of ISK, just not an ISK faucet. It's this passive income generation that Soundwave wants gone.
Come now, you expect me to believe that the market levels of player supplied datacores is better than faction warfare manipulate rates?
Prices will fluctuate based on participation levels in FW. That means market stability will be shot - by design!
I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is a better alternative to the passive RP generation of datacores...
How many full time carrier paths does EVE need? Besides, it's a pretty crappy assumption that players will purchase datacores for LP and not faction ships to flip on the market. |
Philboyd Benoit
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:42:00 -
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I am seriously concerned about this. It's one thing to have market instability due to player actions but to have the Devs create instability by creating or changing a game mechanic? Thats unwarranted and unneeded and sets a downright dangerous precedence. The devs do NOT need to break the sandbox by creating instability. Thats the reponsibility of the players.. CCP, PLEASE don't let Soundwave break the sandbox. It's breaking the game code of non dev interference in how the game is played imho. |
Bane Necran
421
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:49:00 -
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Am i the only one a little horrified to see Armoured C posting again? "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
85
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:23:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:
Come now, you expect me to believe that the market levels of player supplied datacores is not better than faction warfare manipulate rates?
Prices will fluctuate based on participation levels in FW. That means market stability will be shot - by design!
I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is a better alternative to the passive RP generation of datacores...
How many full time carrier paths does EVE need? Besides, it's a pretty crappy assumption that players will purchase datacores for LP and not faction ships to flip on the market.
Edit: Forgot the "not"
Since when was having less content and more stability a good thing in a video game, where everything revolves around **** blowing up? |
Sara XIII
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:25:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read.
Pure gold! 3/10058 |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1361
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:41:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read.
Hmm - fecal incontinence and lack of basic reading comprehension - can't say I'm surprised... You know... morons. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
95
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:46:00 -
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We need the CSM to investigate |
Arsedestroyer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:54:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read. Pure gold!
Indeed - even I didn't know there are people crapping their pants for all their life and still live. |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:02:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:
Come now, you expect me to believe that the market levels of player supplied datacores is not better than faction warfare manipulate rates?
Prices will fluctuate based on participation levels in FW. That means market stability will be shot - by design!
I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is a better alternative to the passive RP generation of datacores...
How many full time carrier paths does EVE need? Besides, it's a pretty crappy assumption that players will purchase datacores for LP and not faction ships to flip on the market.
Edit: Forgot the "not"
Since when was having less content and more stability a good thing in a video game, where everything revolves around **** blowing up?
Nobody here is arguing content... FW changes are alright by me, but the change in RP and the shift of datacore availability to FW LP stores is a problem for me.
Besides - Who is making the items we all blow up? Mostly the industry people, right? I assume they buy datacores to make said **** to blow up. I know I buy them with my RP to make **** to blow up...
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
490
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:10:00 -
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Arsedestroyer wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read. Pure gold! Indeed - even I didn't know there are people crapping their pants for all their life and still live.
Feels good man.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
194
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:19:00 -
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So, instead of acquiring my own data-cores for invention from a butt-load of R&D agents, I now will have to buy them off the market from FW runners at what price?
Quote Mr Horse, "No Sir, don't like it one bit."
Nothing clever at this time. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:24:00 -
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So I have been stating for weeks now what most people have just tweaked to: Soundwave is an idiot.
Then I read a couple days ago in Jester's blog in one of the comments that Soundwave was plucked from the ranks of the goons.
It all makes sense now. Trashing anything that annoys most players, or benefits null / goons. For the sake of the game, CCP, fire him now.
I was having beers with a buddy of mine last night. He has 3 accounts, and just got back into the game about 2 months ago after taking a short hiatus. He does not follow the forums, and is a fairly casual industrial player, but does have 3 accounts, and was on the fence about still playing. After I explained to him the impending datacore catastrophe, as well as the meta 0 wipeout, he told me he was done again.
And now I read from Soundwave what everyone knew: he wants to migrate T2 production to low / null. When he does that CCP loses my 2 accounts also, plus who knows how many other casual players, plus a LOT of hardcore industrialists.
But hey, the null sec zealots in game plus the element within CCP will be thrilled, for awhile. Once subs start dropping, the accountants and marketing people will step in. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:24:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:So we have rampant inflation, and what does he decide to do? Remove one of the major sources of minerals from the game, and replace it with another isk faucet. CCP logic derp.
Well, they seem to be looking to destroy the t2 market, that should screw up the market overall real good
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:30:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:We need the CSM to investigate
THIS is pure comedy gold. Why did we need Mittani on the CSM? To balance insanity/stupidity like this.
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle CCP to the sandbox: "This "adapt or die" attitude is nothing new to EVE, but we want to give it a constant rhythm that is a bit more under our control than in the past" |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:33:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Ten Bulls wrote:We need the CSM to investigate THIS is pure comedy gold. Why did we need Mittani on the CSM? To balance insanity/stupidity like this.
Assuming he wasnt the one who came up with it, yea
You all note the part where Soundwave was like "If it as up to me Id remove the agents altogether"? Here's hoping he's not O.o
Vince Snetterton wrote:So I have been stating for weeks now what most people have just tweaked to: Soundwave is an idiot.
Then I read a couple days ago in Jester's blog in one of the comments that Soundwave was plucked from the ranks of the goons.
WELL that make a lot more sense now -.-
CCP are ******* idiots and "didnt want that game anyways"
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
196
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:36:00 -
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When my RL situation changed and I could no longer spend the time I wanted to in null, I decided to stay with Eve because it's just so damn cool. So I moved to HiSec.
I am one of those "casual" players. I've got 3 accounts, 7 toons all with specific jobs. I mine a little. I mission run a little. I build a little.
I saved up so I could buy the BPOs to build Orcas, invent and build Hulks and Mackinaws. No big production line, just a few ships here and there.
Assuming this datacore change actually happens as planned, it may be time for me to move on. Don't get me wrong, I still love the game but, my reason for playing will be effectively removed.
An yes, if it happens, I will be a "UmadBro"
Nothing clever at this time. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:37:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:So I have been stating for weeks now what most people have just tweaked to: Soundwave is an idiot.
Then I read a couple days ago in Jester's blog in one of the comments that Soundwave was plucked from the ranks of the goons.
oh plz linkies lol
Nick Bison wrote:When my RL situation changed and I could no longer spend the time I wanted to in null, I decided to stay with Eve because it's just so damn cool. So I moved to HiSec.
I am one of those "casual" players. I've got 3 accounts, 7 toons all with specific jobs. I mine a little. I mission run a little. I build a little.
I saved up so I could buy the BPOs to build Orcas, invent and build Hulks and Mackinaws. No big production line, just a few ships here and there.
Assuming this datacore change actually happens as planned, it may be time for me to move on. Don't get me wrong, I still love the game but, my reason for playing will be effectively removed.
An yes, if it happens, I will be a "UmadBro"
Hopefully the loss in subs kicks them in the groin like this summer does and this soundwave idiot is one of those on the chopping block.
Yes, I accept ppl from Goons can seperate real life from game and job from goons but when you hire a guy from a faction in the game who have stated their goal isnt just to win the game but to destroy it for everyone, then you make him lead designer and he starts DESTROYING THE GAME, its time to remove him from the workload and roll back his ideas
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
173
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:38:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Tippia wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what false premise was that? The one that CCP Soundwave says that RPing is a source of ISK. That's not a false premise GÇö they are a source of ISK, just not an ISK faucet. It's this passive income generation that Soundwave wants gone. .
>Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.
The RP magically appear
>Training skills to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.
All Skill trainning is passive
>Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.
Building up standing isn't passive... although you can buy them easy enough with Tags
>Traveling to agent's location to redeem Data Cores. Nothing passive about that.
Just as passive as picking up & moving like with PI or moon goo
>Transporting Data Cores to various regional markets to sell. Nothing passive about that.
Thru HI SEC? alot more easier then moving crud outa W-Space or NULL
>Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.
Just as passive as collecting moon goo or PI. Sorry you fail
>EDIT: >The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain >investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for >access before it even remotely resembles positive income
Tippia got you on all points except maybe buiding the standings. Time spent is mostly passive Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:42:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
Building up standing isn't passive... although you can buy them easy enough with Tags
*brakes screeching to a halt as the needle slips of the record*
The what now?
THATS what all those tags I get in missions are for O.o damn I gotta look into THIS
DarthNefarius wrote:
>Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.
Just as passive as collecting moon goo or PI. Sorry you fail
Also teach me how to make isk without doing anything (aka passive generation)
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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