I think what you said in the interviews with ten ton hammer are great and don't be scared to protect the game and the economy, people may hate you but it what will be necessary

<3

I disagree.

Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community.


See this thread for some replies...



RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores.

RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!


I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.

I think what you said in the interviews with ten ton hammer are great and don't be scared to protect the game and the economy, people may hate you but it what will be necessary

<3

what false premise was that?

...

The one that CCP Soundwave says that RPing is a source of ISK.

That's not a false premise GÇö they are a source of ISK, just not an ISK faucet. It's this passive income generation that Soundwave wants gone.

That's not a false premise GÇö they are a source of ISK, just not an ISK faucet. It's this passive income generation that Soundwave wants gone.

Come now, you expect me to believe that the market levels of player supplied datacores is not better than faction warfare manipulate rates?

Prices will fluctuate based on participation levels in FW. That means market stability will be shot - by design!

I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is a better alternative to the passive RP generation of datacores...

How many full time carrier paths does EVE need? Besides, it's a pretty crappy assumption that players will purchase datacores for LP and not faction ships to flip on the market.



Edit: Forgot the "not"

I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read.

I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read.

Pure gold!

Since when was having less content and more stability a good thing in a video game, where everything revolves around **** blowing up?

Indeed - even I didn't know there are people crapping their pants for all their life and still live.

So we have rampant inflation, and what does he decide to do? Remove one of the major sources of minerals from the game, and replace it with another isk faucet. CCP logic derp.

We need the CSM to investigate

THIS is pure comedy gold. Why did we need Mittani on the CSM? To balance insanity/stupidity like this.

So I have been stating for weeks now what most people have just tweaked to: Soundwave is an idiot.

Then I read a couple days ago in Jester's blog in one of the comments that Soundwave was plucked from the ranks of the goons.

So I have been stating for weeks now what most people have just tweaked to: Soundwave is an idiot.

Then I read a couple days ago in Jester's blog in one of the comments that Soundwave was plucked from the ranks of the goons.

When my RL situation changed and I could no longer spend the time I wanted to in null, I decided to stay with Eve because it's just so damn cool. So I moved to HiSec.

I am one of those "casual" players. I've got 3 accounts, 7 toons all with specific jobs.
I mine a little.
I mission run a little.
I build a little.

I saved up so I could buy the BPOs to build Orcas, invent and build Hulks and Mackinaws.
No big production line, just a few ships here and there.

Assuming this datacore change actually happens as planned, it may be time for me to move on.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the game but, my reason for playing will be effectively removed.

An yes, if it happens, I will be a "UmadBro"

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Building up standing isn't passive... although you can buy them easy enough with Tags

>Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.

Just as passive as collecting moon goo or PI. Sorry you fail

>Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standing isn't passive... although you can buy them easy enough with Tags

I think the places you turn in tags for standings are named datacenters, so just google around for those.

Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.



Training skills to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Traveling to agent's location to redeem Data Cores. Nothing passive about that.

Transporting Data Cores to various regional markets to sell. Nothing passive about that.



Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.




EDIT:
The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income.

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Tippia got you on all points except maybe buiding the standings. Time spent is mostly passive

Passive : Adjective (comparative = more passive, superlative = most passive)

1 Being subjected to an action without producing a reaction.
2 Taking no action.

The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income.

lol, you're spouting semantics. The word "passive" is incorrectly used when pertaining to gaining Data Cores.




Research Points don't magically appear.
Skill Points don't magically appear.
Positive Standings don't magically appear.
ISK doesn't magically appear.


Which part of this statement did you not understand?

FW changes are alright by me, but the change in RP and the shift of datacore availability to FW LP stores is a problem for me.

Nothing passive about it.

Come now, you expect me to believe that the market levels of player supplied datacores is not better than faction warfare manipulate rates?

Prices will fluctuate based on participation levels in FW. That means market stability will be shot - by design!

I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is a better alternative to the passive RP generation of datacores.

How many full time carrier paths does EVE need?

I am seriously concerned about this. It's one thing to have market instability due to player actions but to have the Devs create instability by creating or changing a game mechanic? Thats unwarranted and unneeded and sets a downright dangerous precedence. The devs do NOT need to break the sandbox by creating instability. Thats the reponsibility of the players.. CCP, PLEASE don't let Soundwave break the sandbox. It's breaking the game code of non dev interference in how the game is played imho.

I disagree.

Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community.


See this thread for some replies...



RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores.

RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!


I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.

BoB all over again, when will CCP ever learn? If they have one source of income you would assume you take great lengths to protect it, afterlast year, dust and wod and now this goons stuff... no wonder Iceland are doing so great!

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if Tippia

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break it down

I disagree.

Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community.


See this thread for some replies...



RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores.

RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!


I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.

We're not removing research agents or the ability to farm datacores from them. What we're going to do is slow down the rate of datacores you accumulate and put a small pricetag on them.

Additionally to that, they're being added to the Faction Warfare LP store, with a dynamic price.

We should have a devblog out later this month with the exact details.

You people are literally braindead.

I like how when a Dev does something people don't like, they automatically assume it's because that Dev is a Goon. You people are literally braindead.

Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.



Training skills to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Traveling to agent's location to redeem Data Cores. Nothing passive about that.

Transporting Data Cores to various regional markets to sell. Nothing passive about that.



Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.




EDIT:
The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income.

lit-+er-+al
adjective
true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.


If they where literally braindead, how did they post their messages ?

Unless... they are ZOMBIES !!!

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

You dont understand how PLEXs work yet?


Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

1. You dont need to join SA or Reddit to join either GSF or TEST...only GS or Dreddit. If it annoys you that much but you want to be in their alliances, find one of the other corps in the alliances that dont have these restrictions

2. You can easily make your own way in new eden doing things your way. The only problem is, this is now way near as efficient as working with other people (hence why, you know, this is an online game)

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

Overall in this entire post, you seem quite obsessed with the CFC/goons. Try, you know, not caring aobut what they do? Since I joined so far, I have played around in high sec, & also 0.0, and never really noticed anything they do affect my gameplay. Mayby it helps I'm on the opposite side of the galaxy to them?

In defence of the Zombies, CCP Soundwave was once a Goon, circa 2007.

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

Also when you cant make isk in ways that also dont end up with you getting killed in the process, I.E. when you take the risk and you loose, your forced to buy a plex because you cant make any goddamn money. Soundwave also said in that interview he wants to raise npc taxes in empire, so theres cuts in bounties, more cuts from taxes.

Lets not forget this **** is a chicken and egg scenario:

1. Eve is a capitalist economy.

2. In a capitalist economy you need money to make money.

3. If you are a new player you start in empire with no money.

If you cant make money in empire you cant afford the things you need to make the money in the first place.
That means you make eve into a tedious grind for any one who doesn't want to pay cash(and some would still say it is even if your new and you have subbed as money making opportunities in empire get rolled back). Thats not balanced. I've played free to play games like WoT, Tribes Ascend, and League of legends, haven't payed a single cent and still got a fantastic experience out of them. Soundwave is talking about giving everything to the people in game who are already established and forcing any one thats new to either Pay up or hate the game. So much for there marketing guys spiel on the positive influence of F2P games. Apparently sound wave wasn't ******* paying attention to that presentation he was to busy squeaking his Fat Bee plushy(Which are freaking adorable by the way).

Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

I wonder if Tippia can discuss anything without having to break it down like this every time?

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

Also when you cant make isk in ways that also dont end up with you getting killed in the process, I.E. when you take the risk and you loose, your forced to buy a plex because you cant make any goddamn money. Soundwave also said in that interview he wants to raise npc taxes in empire, so theres cuts in bounties, more cuts from taxes.

Lets not forget this **** is a chicken and egg scenario:

1. Eve is a capitalist economy.

2. In a capitalist economy you need money to make money.

3. If you are a new player you start in empire with no money.

If you cant make money in empire you cant afford the things you need to make the money in the first place.
That means you make eve into a tedious grind for any one who doesn't want to pay cash(and some would still say it is even if your new and you have subbed as money making opportunities in empire get rolled back). Thats not balanced. I've played free to play games like WoT, Tribes Ascend, and League of legends, haven't payed a single cent and still got a fantastic experience out of them. Soundwave is talking about giving everything to the people in game who are already established and forcing any one thats new to either Pay up or hate the game. So much for there marketing guys spiel on the positive influence of F2P games. Apparently sound wave wasn't ******* paying attention to that presentation he was to busy squeaking his Fat Bee plushy(Which are freaking adorable by the way).

Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

Also when you cant make isk in ways that also dont end up with you getting killed in the process, I.E. when you take the risk and you loose, your forced to buy a plex because you cant make any goddamn money. Soundwave also said in that interview he wants to raise npc taxes in empire, so theres cuts in bounties, more cuts from taxes.

Lets not forget this **** is a chicken and egg scenario:

1. Eve is a capitalist economy.

2. In a capitalist economy you need money to make money.

3. If you are a new player you start in empire with no money.

If you cant make money in empire you cant afford the things you need to make the money in the first place.
That means you make eve into a tedious grind for any one who doesn't want to pay cash(and some would still say it is even if your new and you have subbed as money making opportunities in empire get rolled back). Thats not balanced. I've played free to play games like WoT, Tribes Ascend, and League of legends, haven't payed a single cent and still got a fantastic experience out of them. Soundwave is talking about giving everything to the people in game who are already established and forcing any one thats new to either Pay up or hate the game. So much for there marketing guys spiel on the positive influence of F2P games. Apparently sound wave wasn't ******* paying attention to that presentation he was to busy squeaking his Fat Bee plushy(Which are freaking adorable by the way).

Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

I like how when a Dev does something people don't like, they automatically assume it's because that Dev is a Goon. You people are literally braindead.

I never assumed that about any game or MMO ever in my life, only in EVE, want to know why? Because IT HAS ******* HAPPENED TWICE BEFORE, and you guys just got a GM friend to kill people that killed you legit in high-sec within 10 minutes of them killing you.

How is that for brain-dead?

Actually the way I saw it, because i was there when it happened, was the wardec that was in place was nullified. It just so happened that there were a few people shooting just when it happened and they died. No GM deliberately sent Concord after anyone. If no one had been shooting at the time, no one would have died.

What happened was it never started due to legit mechanics for either side then goons attacked in highsec and became a viable target meaning anyone can shoot them, then their logis repaired the guys under attack and kept doing so forever losing them because your FC and players are ********.

Actually that is what happened and then you guys contacted a GM on your buddy-list and had him kill them because you suck at the game.

Actually the way I see it, that means you are the biggest losers in eve

What happened was it never started due to legit mechanics for either side then goons attacked in highsec and became a viable target meaning anyone can shoot them, then their logis repaired the guys under attack and kept doing so forever losing them because your FC and players are ********.

In defence of the Zombies, CCP Soundwave was once a Goon, circa 2007.

Apparently sound wave wasn't ******* paying attention to that presentation he was to busy squeaking his Fat Bee plushy(Which are freaking adorable by the way).

Funny thing, when I saw his look when he was talking about the possible destruction of the datacore system, I thought, damn he SOUNDS like a Goon. He's positively giddy.
Then I found out he was one. Funny huh?

It's absurd that people who play the game might go to work at the company that makes said game.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

It's absurd that people who play the game might go to work at the company that makes said game.

oh plz linkies lol



Hopefully the loss in subs kicks them in the groin like this summer does and this soundwave idiot is one of those on the chopping block.

Yes, I accept ppl from Goons can seperate real life from game and job from goons but when you hire a guy from a faction in the game who have stated their goal isnt just to win the game but to destroy it for everyone, then you make him lead designer and he starts DESTROYING THE GAME, its time to remove him from the workload and roll back his ideas

See the boldss

I am seriously concerned about this. It's one thing to have market instability due to player actions but to have the Devs create instability by creating or changing a game mechanic? Thats unwarranted and unneeded and sets a downright dangerous precedence. The devs do NOT need to break the sandbox by creating instability. Thats the reponsibility of the players.. CCP, PLEASE don't let Soundwave break the sandbox. It's breaking the game code of non dev interference in how the game is played imho.

Funnier is history works against the "well they make the game they can totally tell the difference between game and reality and I doubt the makers of the game would cheat in their own game" argument.

T20 and the fact that **********'s name is STILL censored SIX YEARS LATER and on a whole NEW forum.

I don't know the full story, but SO WHAT?

I just crapped my pod. I do this frequently. Especially when I cannot comprehend something I've just read.

Firstly, given you still cant say ********** on the forums it shows not ALL THAT MUCH has changed.



Gotta love that reasoning when you ban the guy outing the dev doing something wrong first off

k hang on


http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/847-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/interviews/1458-JumpGate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep-Part-2

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/68794-JumpGate-EVE-Dev-Wrap

http://kunochan.com/?p=90

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/68608-Jumpgate-EVE-Devs-Update

So if you want to be purposefully ignorant here, IE you wont read it, do us a favor and dont post about stuff you refuse to educate yourself about





Funnily enough, the CSM was part of the knee-jerk reaction to the pressure caused by the scandal

As to why, you would prefer to be blissfully ignorant while they do it again?

>Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standing isn't passive... although you can buy them easy enough with Tags

"I destroyed the last MMO I worked on" is not going to look good on Soundwave's r+¬sum+¬.

Mr Epeen

"I destroyed the last MMO I worked on" is not going to look good on Soundwave's r+¬sum+¬.

lit-+er-+al
adjective
true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.


If they where literally braindead, how did they post their messages ?

Unless... they are ZOMBIES !!!

Then I read a couple days ago in Jester's blog in one of the comments that Soundwave was plucked from the ranks of the goons.

lit-+er-+al
adjective
true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.


If they where literally braindead, how did they post their messages ?

Unless... they are ZOMBIES !!!

Didn't Soundwave actually give the Goonfleet presentation at Fanfest 2008?

I do believe he did...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac

Didn't Soundwave actually give the Goonfleet presentation at Fanfest 2008?

I do believe he did...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac

Well that's the 2007 presentation.

Regardless of how I feel about CCP Soundwave's proposed changes, The Mittani could take a page from this guy when it comes to not being a total douche on stage. That was a pretty funny and informative presentation and done completely without a mean spirited tone or any self righteous gloating.

Cute. Trying to redefine the term passive income, so it can't be applied to this paritcular activity. Why even bother? By your definition there is no passive income in the game, so the entire term becomes meaningless. You're not going to convince anyone with your semantic games and even if you do, you wouldn't have made an argument for preserving it.

GǪaside from the process of generating RP, which is what's generating the value. Everything about it that matters is passive, and it's this passive generation is being devalued.

Under this logic, there is nothing that can be called passive income in game. Yet, PI is one such system that is largely agreed to be passive (despite that fact that you...train the skills...set up the infrastructure...travel to the planets...import/export goods....transport goods to markets. Nothing passive at all )

There is no effort at all in RP & datacores. Hence why people set up multiple accounts just to farm them. This is the system they want to change.

Ironically my posted reply has the most 'Likes' in this entire thread. I'd say that's a good indication that you fail in trying to discredit my statement.
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Yeah, keep telling yourselves that.

CCP has in the past made a lot of fail changes to this game and this is just another example of them doing it again.

Like I said before, the accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income.

[it] takes a very long time to recoup all the time and ISK spent in training skills and building up standings for access

Funny thing, when I saw his look when he was talking about the possible destruction of the datacore system, I thought, damn he SOUNDS like a Goon. He's positively giddy.
Then I found out he was one. Funny huh?

I can go on like this for about 3 days, assuming I don't sleep the whole time.

Do you have to actively do missions for every datacore? Do you have to go kill a rat for every data core? Do you even need to log in for each data core?.

Incarna, warp to 0, jumpdrives, jump bridges, titans, faction warefare, bounty system, learning skills, nex store, prenerf nano ships *takes a deep breath* Incursions, mittens's ban, lv5 missions, all the useless modules, ship tiers, using dev powers to break up m0o camps, wardec shedding, making said shedding not an exploit anymore, neutral logi *another deep breath* local, permacloakers, prenerf insurance for suicide gankers, torp kestrels, hiring t20, not firing t20, sov mechanics, t3 boosting better than command ships, malediction having a longer tackle range than its targeting range, micro shield extenders, aoe missiles from beta, neut not having tracking, etc. I can go on like this for about 3 days, assuming I don't sleep the whole time.

Yeah, that didn't actually answer the question, thoughGǪ

How is this another example of them doing it again?

So how long until the bounty NERF CCP Soundwave? Is there a magic number with Inflation that when it gets hit there'll be a 10% cut on ALL bounties? Inquiring minds want to know.

that bitter vet attitude, how is it working out for you?

Yeah cause it's really unusual for devs to look happy about fixing broken game systems like faction warfare. You carebears are so obsessed with goons you're probably going to blame them for global warming next.

Yeah, that didn't actually answer the question, thoughGǪ

How is this another example of them doing it again?

So we have rampant inflation, and what does he decide to do? Remove one of the major sources of minerals from the game, and replace it with another isk faucet. CCP logic derp.

Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

I am seriously concerned about this. It's one thing to have market instability due to player actions but to have the Devs create instability by creating or changing a game mechanic? Thats unwarranted and unneeded and sets a downright dangerous precedence. The devs do NOT need to break the sandbox by creating instability. Thats the reponsibility of the players.. CCP, PLEASE don't let Soundwave break the sandbox. It's breaking the game code of non dev interference in how the game is played imho.

Do you really expect a former guy from btardFleet to not break the game?.

Removal (or reduction) of the automatic accumulation of datacores is a good thing.

While having a form of passive income is good individually, it sucks from the game's perspective. We'd all love to see our wallets ping daily with millions of ISK, just for logging on. Just because we'd like that, doesn't mean it should be that way.

The datacore thing is making me o_O. The ISK you get from it passively is so insanely small. I know its passive but its barely even worth the time to set it up!

The datacore thing is making me o_O. The ISK you get from it passively is so insanely small. I know its passive but its barely even worth the time to set it up!

RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!

This.

Seems like CCP is once again scoping to **** up the core of what EVE is supposed to be, a sandbox. Turning high-sec into a T1, low-income starting zone and turning low/null sec into "endgame zones" is not EVE, it's World of Warcraft. Leave the market alone and let the players sort out what they want sorted out. If the market becomes screwed up enough, the players will resort to doing something to fix it. It's the flow of things in this game...that's how it works.

Please don't turn this game into WoW.

It doesn't.

DL isk/h and take a look at what your revenue is with this, it's really ridiculous as revenue and before you can pay yourself a decent fitted ship it's a very long road.

Rp is not worthy for the money you get with when you can simply win same/double rating a few rats in null for the same time spent hauling your rp's and selling them.

PI profits with regular taxes, 10 to 17%, is worthless of the time spent doing it for the same reason.

Cool stuff, let's see the impact one year from now

In six months you have a character barely able to do research. However in six months with a PO2 acct you have a nice Tengu pilot to sell at 5.5B. I'd call that a fine return for logging in a total of less then a day. Best passive income in the game, IMO.

I doubt we'll see that moneymaker nerfed any time soon.

Mr Epeen