>Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standing isn't passive... although you can buy them easy enough with Tags

I think the places you turn in tags for standings are named datacenters, so just google around for those.

Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.



Training skills to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Traveling to agent's location to redeem Data Cores. Nothing passive about that.

Transporting Data Cores to various regional markets to sell. Nothing passive about that.



Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.




EDIT:
The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income.

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Tippia got you on all points except maybe buiding the standings. Time spent is mostly passive

Passive : Adjective (comparative = more passive, superlative = most passive)

1 Being subjected to an action without producing a reaction.
2 Taking no action.

The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income.

lol, you're spouting semantics. The word "passive" is incorrectly used when pertaining to gaining Data Cores.




Research Points don't magically appear.
Skill Points don't magically appear.
Positive Standings don't magically appear.
ISK doesn't magically appear.


Which part of this statement did you not understand?

FW changes are alright by me, but the change in RP and the shift of datacore availability to FW LP stores is a problem for me.

Nothing passive about it.

Come now, you expect me to believe that the market levels of player supplied datacores is not better than faction warfare manipulate rates?

Prices will fluctuate based on participation levels in FW. That means market stability will be shot - by design!

I cannot understand how anyone thinks this is a better alternative to the passive RP generation of datacores.

How many full time carrier paths does EVE need?

I am seriously concerned about this. It's one thing to have market instability due to player actions but to have the Devs create instability by creating or changing a game mechanic? Thats unwarranted and unneeded and sets a downright dangerous precedence. The devs do NOT need to break the sandbox by creating instability. Thats the reponsibility of the players.. CCP, PLEASE don't let Soundwave break the sandbox. It's breaking the game code of non dev interference in how the game is played imho.

I disagree.

Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community.


See this thread for some replies...



RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores.

RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!


I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.

BoB all over again, when will CCP ever learn? If they have one source of income you would assume you take great lengths to protect it, afterlast year, dust and wod and now this goons stuff... no wonder Iceland are doing so great!

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I disagree.

Starting a counter thread to support a potentially BAD idea on a false premise is not helping the community.


See this thread for some replies...



RP for datacores does NOT introduce ISK into the game. It is not (IMHO) a justifiable reason to nerf RP. There is not inflationary pressure cause by datacores.

RPing id not an ATM for printing ISK - period!


I spent time getting skills and reputation to RP. I would like that these skill matter equally before and after Inferno release.

We're not removing research agents or the ability to farm datacores from them. What we're going to do is slow down the rate of datacores you accumulate and put a small pricetag on them.

Additionally to that, they're being added to the Faction Warfare LP store, with a dynamic price.

We should have a devblog out later this month with the exact details.

You people are literally braindead.

I like how when a Dev does something people don't like, they automatically assume it's because that Dev is a Goon. You people are literally braindead.

Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.



Training skills to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Building up standings to access R&D agents. Nothing passive about that.

Traveling to agent's location to redeem Data Cores. Nothing passive about that.

Transporting Data Cores to various regional markets to sell. Nothing passive about that.



Nothing passive about it. ISK doesn't magically appear in the wallet.




EDIT:
The accumulation of Research Points from R&D Agents to redeem Data Cores is not passive income. It's a low gain investment return which takes a very long time to repay all the time and ISK spent in training skills and gaining standings for access before it even remotely resembles positive income.

lit-+er-+al
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true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.


If they where literally braindead, how did they post their messages ?

Unless... they are ZOMBIES !!!

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

You dont understand how PLEXs work yet?


Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

1. You dont need to join SA or Reddit to join either GSF or TEST...only GS or Dreddit. If it annoys you that much but you want to be in their alliances, find one of the other corps in the alliances that dont have these restrictions

2. You can easily make your own way in new eden doing things your way. The only problem is, this is now way near as efficient as working with other people (hence why, you know, this is an online game)

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

Overall in this entire post, you seem quite obsessed with the CFC/goons. Try, you know, not caring aobut what they do? Since I joined so far, I have played around in high sec, & also 0.0, and never really noticed anything they do affect my gameplay. Mayby it helps I'm on the opposite side of the galaxy to them?

In defence of the Zombies, CCP Soundwave was once a Goon, circa 2007.

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

Also when you cant make isk in ways that also dont end up with you getting killed in the process, I.E. when you take the risk and you loose, your forced to buy a plex because you cant make any goddamn money. Soundwave also said in that interview he wants to raise npc taxes in empire, so theres cuts in bounties, more cuts from taxes.

Lets not forget this **** is a chicken and egg scenario:

1. Eve is a capitalist economy.

2. In a capitalist economy you need money to make money.

3. If you are a new player you start in empire with no money.

If you cant make money in empire you cant afford the things you need to make the money in the first place.
That means you make eve into a tedious grind for any one who doesn't want to pay cash(and some would still say it is even if your new and you have subbed as money making opportunities in empire get rolled back). Thats not balanced. I've played free to play games like WoT, Tribes Ascend, and League of legends, haven't payed a single cent and still got a fantastic experience out of them. Soundwave is talking about giving everything to the people in game who are already established and forcing any one thats new to either Pay up or hate the game. So much for there marketing guys spiel on the positive influence of F2P games. Apparently sound wave wasn't ******* paying attention to that presentation he was to busy squeaking his Fat Bee plushy(Which are freaking adorable by the way).

Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

I wonder if Tippia can discuss anything without having to break it down like this every time?

Long Fing post apologies in advance

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.

Also when you cant make isk in ways that also dont end up with you getting killed in the process, I.E. when you take the risk and you loose, your forced to buy a plex because you cant make any goddamn money. Soundwave also said in that interview he wants to raise npc taxes in empire, so theres cuts in bounties, more cuts from taxes.

Lets not forget this **** is a chicken and egg scenario:

1. Eve is a capitalist economy.

2. In a capitalist economy you need money to make money.

3. If you are a new player you start in empire with no money.

If you cant make money in empire you cant afford the things you need to make the money in the first place.
That means you make eve into a tedious grind for any one who doesn't want to pay cash(and some would still say it is even if your new and you have subbed as money making opportunities in empire get rolled back). Thats not balanced. I've played free to play games like WoT, Tribes Ascend, and League of legends, haven't payed a single cent and still got a fantastic experience out of them. Soundwave is talking about giving everything to the people in game who are already established and forcing any one thats new to either Pay up or hate the game. So much for there marketing guys spiel on the positive influence of F2P games. Apparently sound wave wasn't ******* paying attention to that presentation he was to busy squeaking his Fat Bee plushy(Which are freaking adorable by the way).

Im sorry, not every player wants to have to first join reddit or something awful in order to get ahead in this game(I cant deny that if you get into goons or test you will have a fun time). Some people just want to be able to log into eve and know they have a fair shot at making their way in new eden their way, not some one else's. Thats kind of the premise of the sand box. It is currently no longer like this, and on Soundwaves current course for game development it will move even further from this.

CCP the CFC has hi jacked your development goals away from you. Make a change, or improvements like the CSM are meaningless. Right now the Mittani is exerting more pressure on you then the CSM.

Eve must be fair for goons. But what is good for Goons has to be good for the rest of us first.
Soundwaves current direction for game development is not.

Oh, and by the way, the whole goon sense of entitlement to deem what is expectable or un expectable play style is ******* bull **** . I couldn't care less what you have done for or in this game, as long as it costs the same amount for us all to play this game its one player one vote. I dont care how many times you have to defend your moons, I dont care how many times you have had destroy BoB's re spawns. That was your choice. If the only way I can keep my accounts afloat is by going to nullsec that means theres only one style of play that is being unfairly supported. If you want to gank me in Highsec fantastic by all means you should I dont want an end to that. But If I live in empire that shouldn't mean I would no longer have the means to replace my ship. Thats where **** is headed folks. The only good isk will be in null sec and who calls the shots in null sec these days? The CFC. Ring mining wont solve the tec bottleneck if goons can interdict it the same way they do ice mining.

Really even if sound wave wasn't a goon this still goes back to the whole greed is good thing. They want to kill off in game passive income that way people cant afford plex and are forced to buy a subscription.