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Mystafyre Caldari Knights of Destiny Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.05 00:24:00 - [1] So, they finally decide to nerf the Falcon. After this the only E-WAR ship type actually being able to survive in the battlefield get's nerfed. 100 km for ewar ship? Instapopped. Who is the CCP designer responsible from this idiotic way of dealing with Falcons superiority? Why not to increase the range of damps, tds and target painters to similar as Falcon and ECM is now? RR BS gangs will dominate the New Eden after that hits TQ, that's for sure. Nothing is going to stop then since who would be so stupid to spend nearly 200 M ISK fitting on force recon and fly it to certain death after uncloaking. Don't get me wrong, I had nearly perfect Arazu pilot before and only thing I used it was fleet tackler for small gangs (10-30) and some solo crappy things. Falcon is another story, I can easily bring it to any fleet fight due the range. If this hits in game, CCP can have a party. Last E-War ship type is down. Congs.
Mystafyre Caldari Knights of Destiny Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.05 00:31:00 - [2] Quote: On Sisi, the Falcon was jamming with the same strength at 58km it used to have at 225km. That is a bit of a sledge hammer approach no matter how you slice it. Pwn'd. EPIC. Totally.
Lego Maniac Minmatar Dusty Death Enterprise Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.05 00:53:00 - [3] well, look at it this way - people might fly kitsunes now
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.04.05 01:23:00 - [4] oh it finally gets almost in line with the other ones. Great stuff. This ship was almost invincible in a good pilots hands. I was on both sides, in a falcon and against a falcon and i highly appreciate that change. Maybe you should start to fit a tank like everyone else does. Ever seen another recon with 6 TPs/TDs/Damps? Now gimme the tears of "my ship isnt overpowered anymore" players.
JgGravy	Posted - 2009.04.05 01:41:00 - [5] I'm about fed up with the "NERF FALCON" stuff with everyone saying it's fine. Now that it's nerfed i like these posts. When all the other races got nerfed, no one stood up for them but the people flying them. Minmitar players hatted the speed nerf, amarr hated the nos nerf, and gallente hated the drone nerf. Get in line, bend over and lube up nice and good. It won't hurt for too long.
Shereza	Posted - 2009.04.05 01:50:00 - [6] While I personally think that putting a 5% RoF bonus on a ship with only one launcher hardpoint screams of incompetence losing the range bonus for a 50% increase in the per level jamming strength bonus isn't the worst thing that could happen. Of course all things considered I figure that the rook should keep the missile bonuses while the falcon should get a 10%/level range bonus for hybrid weapons instead of the dinky launcher RoF bonus it gets without getting extra launcher hardpoints, but that's me. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2009.04.05 02:03:00 - [7] Edited by: JVol on 05/04/2009 02:03:59 Originally by: Mystafyre Edited by: Mystafyre on 05/04/2009 00:27:20 So, they finally decide to nerf the Falcon. After this the only E-WAR ship type actually being able to survive in the battlefield get's nerfed. 100 km for ewar ship? Instapopped. Who is the CCP designer responsible from this idiotic way of dealing with Falcons superiority? Why not to increase the range of damps, tds and target painters to similar as Falcon and ECM is now? RR BS gangs will dominate the New Eden after that hits TQ, that's for sure. Nothing is going to stop them since who would be so stupid to spend nearly 200 M ISK fitting on force recon and fly it to certain death after uncloaking. Don't get me wrong, I had nearly perfect Arazu pilot before and only thing I used it was fleet tackler for small gangs (10-30) and some solo crappy things. Falcon is another story, I can easily bring it to any fleet fight due the range. If this hits in game, CCP can have a party. Last E-War ship type is down. Congs. GeeeeZus dude, its not like the freakin sky is falling! Anyone who knew how to use these ships before will be even better in them now. Why cry about the range loss when any BS cant lock past 90km w/o a sb anyways, and IF they COULD lock you.. what?? Were they gonna give you a mean look? Cause 99% of roaming gangs cant do damage that far. STFU, The ship STILL ROCKS at its job, jamming,in fact, its even better now. It needed to come down a bit to be inline with the other ew platforms, and imo is still the longest range of the group(damps,disruptors). A RR gangs gonna dominate TQ blablablabla? WHAT?? JAM THEM AND RR NO WORKIE !! lol ( didny u say it got 50% to jamming ?) lol.. My max skilled falc jocky perma jammed w/e I needed BEFORE this change, now..? Simmer down you whiners.
Trader20	Posted - 2009.04.05 02:12:00 - [8] Who cares anymore. If you get killed, complain about the ship that killed you, scream nerf and make a bunch of nerf threads on the forum and the ship will be nerfed. Don't worry whiners, the ships you fly will be nerfed.
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2009.04.05 02:27:00 - [9] tbh atleast our ecm still works, unlike those poor gallente ewar pilots Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.05 03:18:00 - [10] Sucks you won't be able to jam outside of sentry range anymore, but people will adapt and life moves on. Other E-War is far from being dead. Just try to be a turret boat on the other side of a Curse . *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Karad Forsky Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.05 03:33:00 - [11] Falcon's a cruiser. The way I see it, you should be able to fit another cruiser-sized ship to hit the Falcon from its range (while sacrificing some tank/dps to be able to gain that range). This change accomplishes exactly this, 100-120km is sniper-HAC range and caldari cruiser/BC range. A Falcon won't instapop at 100k if you fit some buffer but you need to pay more attention to stuff on overview and dual-accounting with the Falcon becomes more difficult. Sounds like a good change to me.
Renarla	Posted - 2009.04.05 03:46:00 - [12] ECM is still by far the best EWAR. STFU BECAUSE OF FALCON!
Ryoken McKeon Galactic Defence Syndicate Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.05 04:23:00 - [13] Originally by: JgGravy I'm about fed up with the "NERF FALCON" stuff with everyone saying it's fine. Now that it's nerfed i like these posts. When all the other races got nerfed, no one stood up for them but the people flying them. Minmitar players hatted the speed nerf, amarr hated the nos nerf, and gallente hated the drone nerf. Get in line, bend over and lube up nice and good. It won't hurt for too long. Yeah....but I've been crosstraining out of caldari for a reason---the race is terrible for PvP outside of fleet actions. Yeah, I have a HAM drake, it's nice.
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2009.04.05 07:22:00 - [14] yeah sure they will nerf ewar, cuz ewar use much less SP than DPS and tank skill. it wont take long to get and OK skilled alt and transfer it in to ur main account. they want us keep traing and keep paying. enough said
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.05 07:36:00 - [15] Edited by: Furb Killer on 05/04/2009 07:36:31 Originally by: Ryoken McKeon Originally by: JgGravy I'm about fed up with the "NERF FALCON" stuff with everyone saying it's fine. Now that it's nerfed i like these posts. When all the other races got nerfed, no one stood up for them but the people flying them. Minmitar players hatted the speed nerf, amarr hated the nos nerf, and gallente hated the drone nerf. Get in line, bend over and lube up nice and good. It won't hurt for too long. Yeah....but I've been crosstraining out of caldari for a reason---the race is terrible for PvP outside of fleet actions. Yeah, I have a HAM drake, it's nice. I hope you are training for amarr (probably since most caldari seem to be fotm runners). Because if you are going for gallente or minnie you are going to find out the hard way that caldari are better. And now we only get RR BS gangs? Wasnt that exactly the same argument used when we had the nano nerf? Still for some weird reason, i have only seen one, maybe two, RR BS gangs since quantum rise, and a **load of hac gangs (you know those ships who were made totally useless with the nano nerf). Mystafyre, why dont you go whine about it on the forums, oh wait... --------------------------------------------- Originally by:** Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.04.05 08:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Terraform on 05/04/2009 08:44:37 OP is an epic troll, just another whiner trying to sound like he has some sort of self-defined reasoning behind his whines. Try harder next time OP, YOU DO IT! edit: oh, and mega fail on him for being the first to respond to his own thread.
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.05 09:16:00 - [17] Go fly a rook and stfu. You are no longer immortal.
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.05 09:27:00 - [18] Originally by: TimMc Go fly a rook and stfu. You are no longer immortal. You never were anyway, as long as your enemies had some sort of clue. With the new scanning mechanics, you had an even bigger chance of getting killed if you decided to hide out beyond 150km. I think this went a little too far, but meh. Means I'll be in a rook more often and adding more DPS to the fight now /shrug.
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.04.05 10:09:00 - [19] I think anyone being objective would admit that the Falcon needed some kind of change to bring it in line with the other nerfed force recons (geez, who woulda thought that nerfing would be a self sustaining industry helping to keep devs employed?); the problem is, CCP doesn't own any precision tools, and the lack of thumbs would make them useless anyway. When the nerf whines hit a feverish pitch and we start taking permanent damage to the ear drums, the rocks come out and the changes tend to lack finesse. http://www.ezy-english.com/
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.05 11:07:00 - [20] Given that CCP has complete control over every element of the game, if they are on a campaign to kill all E-War the fact that it's taken over 4 years is a pretty poor effort. I'd say that the more likely option is that the op in an arse-tard and should perhaps consider returning to the World of Warcraft community. sXe
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.04.05 13:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Kowaii Rabbit on 05/04/2009 13:06:04 Originally by: Warrio Given that CCP has complete control over every element of the game, if they are on a campaign to kill all E-War the fact that it's taken over 4 years is a pretty poor effort... Quote: This. Eve Online "beta since 2003" http://www.ezy-english.com/
Annowyn 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.05 13:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Mystafyre RR BS gangs will dominate the New Eden after that hits TQ, that's for sure. Nothing is going to stop them since who would be so stupid to spend nearly 200 M ISK fitting on force recon and fly it to certain death after uncloaking. The rest of us.
Nalena Arlath	Posted - 2009.04.05 18:45:00 - [23] Edited by: Nalena Arlath on 05/04/2009 18:47:17 Adapt or gtfo. This is how Eve is played. Don't wanna spend the isk because your boat is no longer near invincible at max range, then fine, fly a kitsune, fly something other than the recon, or gtfo. I don't care how much work you put into your post to make it sound all intelligent and serious. It's nothing but a wrapped up, poorly concealed WHINE. Adapt or die. The end. edit Not quite the end. Track disruptors still work fine on the Curse/Pilgrim. We adapted after the NOS nerf, but guess what, the Curse is still a powerful boat.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.05 18:50:00 - [24] Edited by: Esmenet on 05/04/2009 18:51:33 Originally by: Nalena Arlath Adapt or die. They should change this cliche into something like "yay more ships for the scrapheap of useless ships". Lets get started on those amarr whine threads and the rr whine threads for the next overkill nerfs. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Trader20	Posted - 2009.04.05 18:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Nalena Arlath Edited by: Nalena Arlath on 05/04/2009 18:47:17 Adapt or gtfo. This is how Eve is played. Don't wanna spend the isk because your boat is no longer near invincible at max range, then fine, fly a kitsune, fly something other than the recon, or gtfo. I don't care how much work you put into your post to make it sound all intelligent and serious. It's nothing but a wrapped up, poorly concealed WHINE. Adapt or die. The end. edit Not quite the end. Track disruptors still work fine on the Curse/Pilgrim. We adapted after the NOS nerf, but guess what, the Curse is still a powerful boat. Adapt or gtfo. This is how Eve is played Don't wanna fit eccm and bring sniper bs in gang then gtfo. The falcon is fine it's just ur skills that suck. I don't care how much work you put into your post to make it sound all intelligent and serious. It's nothing but a wrapped up, poorly concealed WHINE. Adapt or die. The end. fake edit: HAHA u got ownd
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.04.05 20:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Warrio Given that CCP has complete control over every element of the game, if they are on a campaign to kill all E-War the fact that it's taken over 4 years is a pretty poor effort. less actually. it started with scripts. but I kinda agree with you about the OP --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.04.05 20:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Grimpak on 05/04/2009 20:35:25 double post --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.05 20:59:00 - [28] YES! It's true! PPl won't be able to semi-afk pwn with falcons...will still pwn, yet will have to be closer to harm's way... With everybody and his mother having a falcon alt (or main, or both), and having seen myself more than once 50+ man roaming gangs with 20-30% falcons, I think we will be seeing A LOT of them even after this sort of nerf/rebalance. Cause, you know, unlike other kinds of ewar, the Falcon will get increased strength at least...it's not a total nerf like NOS or Damps had - to name a few. Haven't heard ECM modules stack, have you? Do you know which practice provokes nerfs? Abuse...and roaming gangs with 30% falcons is abuse. Camps on each and every gate with multiple falcon-alts semi-afk at 200km is abuse. Just like NOS domis, nano-slave-multiple man gangs were, slot-filling-I-win damps were etc...just to name a few. If ppl haven't abused the falcon so much, CCP wouldn't realize that this ship was a bit broken even before the nano-nerf. Serious threads (cause not everything is whine) were read a written a lot in these forums for more than a year... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Nalena Arlath Adapt or gtfo Ironic that people should scream this in support of a nerf http://www.ezy-english.com/
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:53:00 - [30] Going to bookmark this prediction, RR mods get a huge nerf on repair amounts and cycle times and logistics get a compensatory bonus. You heard it here first, RR will be the next whine of the month.
Cherika Caldari Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.04.06 13:34:00 - [31] Edited by: Cherika on 06/04/2009 13:34:12 Originally by: Trader20 Don't worry whiners, the ships you fly will be nerfed. That's why I fly all T2 Cruisers. When one gets nerfed I simply switch to the next FOTM/Y
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.06 13:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You heard it here first, RR will be the next whine of the month. Yep, and this will be (is being) brought to us by people who have whined about Falcons and ECM with endless amounts of alts and topics in the past. It is a small group of whiners who want to reduce the complexity of pvp and steal my, your, everyones time and fun in the game. But RR being FOTM was predicted many weeks before the ECM ships redesign announcement. Those who predicted it had been trolled. And now let's see RR dying. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.04.06 14:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Colonel Xaven Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You heard it here first, RR will be the next whine of the month. Yep, and this will be (is being) brought to us by people who have whined about Falcons and ECM with endless amounts of alts and topics in the past. It is a small group of whiners who want to reduce the complexity of pvp and steal my, your, everyones time and fun in the game. But RR being FOTM was predicted many weeks before the ECM ships redesign announcement. Those who predicted it had been trolled. And now let's see RR dying. Dunno...maybe they'll get a buff Originally by: CCP Nozh This came up. In the end we just came to the conclusion that un-bonused remote armor repairers / shield transporters range was just too short and not really worth it. We could remedy this by boosting the module base stats, but we'd have to decrease Logistic ship bonuses etc. its been added to my todo list. http://www.ezy-english.com/
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.04.06 14:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Trader20 Don't worry whiners, the ships you fly will be nerfed. I'm going to quit if they nerf my bellicose
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.06 15:00:00 - [35] When nano nerf came people also said everyone would go to RR bs gang, but i hardly ever see them. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2009.04.06 15:05:00 - [36] Die falcons! Die! ---- Me - Plim Character. You - Non-Plim Character.
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.04.06 15:19:00 - [37] Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 06/04/2009 15:19:18 ok guys, icba to read the whole of this thread as its naturally full of whine, and we really dont need a new falcon topic. a) Can you still get reeasonable jam str at 115km? 99.9999999% of the times ive flown a falcon or had a falcon in gang they've had to warp to the fight at 100km. So allowing for a little deviation, say 15k, can you still get good, consistent jams out at that range? b) The next significant range is 170km, where you can ecm people and pull GCC w/o the gate guns. Is that still possible? If a) is true then im really not bothered. b) is nice, but meh, i'd rather have a curse neut/td at 170k ****** SIG :O ******
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.06 23:10:00 - [38] Originally by: Colonel Xaven Originally by: Dasalt Istgut You heard it here first, RR will be the next whine of the month. Yep, and this will be (is being) brought to us by people who have whined about Falcons and ECM with endless amounts of alts and topics in the past. It is a small group of whiners who want to reduce the complexity of pvp and steal my, your, everyones time and fun in the game. But RR being FOTM was predicted many weeks before the ECM ships redesign announcement. Those who predicted it had been trolled. And now let's see RR dying. People predicted the whines about falcons and rr-bs before nanos were nerfed. Its never going to stop as CCP just caves in to whines. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.07 01:18:00 - [39] Are RRBS gangs even that prevalent? I've seen a few in low-sec ****ing in peoples Wheaties but most that I've seen in 0.0 end up killing a couple of ravens before getting hot-dropped or DDed making their their remote reps a little moot. sXe
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.07 09:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Warrio Are RRBS gangs even that prevalent? I've seen a few in low-sec ****ing in peoples Wheaties but most that I've seen in 0.0 end up killing a couple of ravens before getting hot-dropped or DDed making their their remote reps a little moot. The game isnt balanced around 0.0 but around very small gang warfare or so it seems. And yes when there is a lot less ecm rr-gangs will become much more powerful. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.07 16:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire oh it finally gets almost in line with the other ones. Great stuff. This ship was almost invincible in a good pilots hands. I was on both sides, in a falcon and against a falcon and i highly appreciate that change. Maybe you should start to fit a tank like everyone else does. Ever seen another recon with 6 TPs/TDs/Damps? Now gimme the tears of "my ship isnt overpowered anymore" players. true true. Every other races Ewar ship isn't an insta-win, so why should caldari's be.

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