remember drones boats are a ship that can be versitle changing drones etc. Drones should be a little bit weaker than other types of fire power.

Battleships and Battlecruisers have drone bays to field light drones as a defense against frigates.

I believe the slow buf from CCP is related to a few very distinct issue, First the range of variance in damage from the most dangerous drone users to the weakest is significantly larger than the most dangerous gun user, this means the module will have a a disproportionate effect on the applied DPS of the "big" users vs the supplemental users.

Second as far as I know the big drone users ships are considered solid choices, the DOMI, Ishtar and Gila (vexor and arbitor varients may fall here as well). This where s real problem lies if you buff a slightly unpowered ship to much you get FOTM if you overbuff a already balanced ship it becomes the most OP thing ever, the boards fill with tears.

The last issue is a caariers, CCP just nerfed super caps to get them out of the subcap murdering business, last thing we all need is more carriers are overpowered nonsence, like someone above said 2200+ DPS Thantos may be a little over the top for pvp and PVE

Um 13-15 sentry drones/ heavy Drones, not 10. So the base damage with one tech II sentry drone rig gets closer to 1k. Set the modifier at 23% like some above were asking for ... then 6 months later add a faction version doing + 28%. Stuff 2-3 (not sure of stack with sentry rigs) of these on and the ship and boom we have 1500+ DPS (sorry about the 2200 number I took it from a post higher up the thread without verifying).

It is not about the standard ship, it is what happens at the extremes and can we have something that suddely disbalances. Yeah anything but the occasional Drone control units are now considered taboo, but when the answer is 1500 DPS with solid range, good tracking that can be switched out for lower but very effective anti -frig or anti cruiser DPS (with 3 extrins at 23% we more than a 50% damage buff) , with a massive tank (even after gimping for the Drone pimping), for the price of a slightly pimped faction BS, you know someone is going to do it. And then more people are going to do it.

You also dismissed my point without addressing the stronger argument in point 2 that the Domi, Gila are considered good and the Ishtar is considered at least adequate in PVE/solo small group PVP and we are in effect buffing all of them. Don't forget it does not take much to go from slightly unerpowered to to FOTM, look how small the buff were to angel ships insolation a while ago they went from basic unflown to the king of the hill.

I am not saying the modules values are set properly for the damage bonuses they may be to low at 12%, we need to see what happens at the extremes as well as the net effect of difficult to fit and minor bump to DPS the Curse gets over a BCS for its two missles, the beauty of Eve is also its biggest problem, flexibility. The issues often arise when someone uses a new rules, module, ship or ammo in an unexpected way. I am pretty sure that at least a few of the people screaming for "moar buffs" have already figured it out and are prepping to abuse it until it is nerfed.

If you aren't aware, blaster megas are terrible.

[Dominix, Mother Drone]

Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Extrinsic Damage Amplifier II
Extrinsic Damage Amplifier II
Extrinsic Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II

Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Speed Augmentor II
Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Ogre II x10
Hobgoblin II x10


That would be awesome...

You know that that's just the dronebay config right ? 2 waves of Ogres and 2 waves of Hammers ...

...And droneships still have guns. Even bonused guns in most cases. The Domi already dumps out good DPS with blasters.

Also remember that even with mods and rigs, drones (especially heavies) are still significantly slower than missiles

GǪbin this module, give the drone boats a hard-wired bonus to fitting Drone Control Units and add bandwidth per DCU.

For the EDA I do have a vested interest in this module being High Slot. Time to speak up now, if you feel the same way.

Drone boat are already useful in current balance state

3) There is no mod (except an widely unused rig) that gives drones more hitpoints, as a stand alone mod it would be useless, but maybe as a passive bonus on all drone mods it could be useful.

Where are these darned things on the test server? I can't seem to find them on the 100isk seeded markets.

Thanks

QQ

why don't you stop crying about getting robbed when you just received an EXTRA option compared before the module was introduced

Yet again you fail to understand drone ships are balanced to be equal with other ships WITHOUT having drone damage modules, so CCP wants to make sure they don't tip the balance too much...

Tank:
I think you misunderstood my point. I believe Drone Navigation Computers is an extra option that will give drone users an advantage in certain situations. Having medium drones able to catch up with frigates seems nice. Having your heavy drones reach their target faster seems nice. Usually people prefer other modules due to limited medslots, but the option is still there...

Tank : If you would ask a neutral unbiased question about that module it would be a better answer. There is a difference between good and balanced. The drone navigation computer isn't a bad module...

Tank - Maybe it's just hard to make up a coherent answer when the question you made up was biased. You never get a real answer if you try to manipulate people into a specific answer...

I'd be more focused to see what CCP will do about ships like the Ishtar suddenly capable of pulling way more dps than any other HAC?

[Deimos, U NO CAN OUTDPS AN ISHTAR you say?]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
[etc. low slot]
[etc. low slot]
[etc. low slot]

[etc. med slot]
[etc. med slot]
[etc. med slot]

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
[etc. high slot]

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

the drone ships having a 10% drone bonus giving the game a few balance spikes...

[Ishtar, You can haz satisfaction?]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Ogre II x5

Give it up - Maybe the Ishtar doesn't beat ALL other HACs but it's pretty close...

I'd be more focused to see what CCP will do about ships like the Ishtar suddenly capable of pulling way more dps than any other HAC?

It's a problem with the Ishtar because it can deal out more dps than most HACs and it can do it while at range... Ishtars are pretty evasive.

And I don't give up, I just think it's pretty pedantric of you to keep discussion going on such a childish level. Good luck with your further protests on the drone module

Try to get out of your tunnel vision. I never claimed the Ishtar was better at everything

Ishtar DPS boosted almost 55% DPS w/ 3 mods in a shield/kite configuration (475 -> 733 DPS with drones only)

Ishtar (and Deimos) can out dps the other HACs with a huge margin

But the Ishtar can do it from 60km when working with a tackler
Drones might not be perfect but people cannot use ecm to negate Ishtar DPS

Ishtar can switch to other drones for other types of targets (With a loss of DPS)