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Speaker Dead
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Posted - 2009.04.08 00:10:00 -
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It's a simple fix, no more POS notifications, excepting fuel. Right now you can fly thru many parts of sov 0.0 without ever seeing a soul.
Large alliances spread their towers, and never return except to fuel them and empty them. If they want it that way fine, but make them actually hold their territory, not keep it by default.
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Gran Frondre
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Posted - 2009.04.08 00:13:00 -
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How would this fix anything?
It would only lead to more tedious jobs for those unsung heroes that work behind the curtains in alliances to fuel POS's and log stront timers all day long.
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Speaker Dead
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:09:00 -
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It would put at risk assets in places that 0.0 alliances never visit. As it currently stands there are huge regions of 0.0 that are empty of anything except POS's and macro ratters. Without notifications, they could lose sov and never know until they actually went there. POS's could be knocked down and they wouldn't know till they went to fuel them.
They would be forced to actually have a presence in any system they wanted, and domination of 0.0 by a few rich alliances might change.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Gran Frondre
How would this fix anything?
It would only lead to more tedious jobs for those unsung heroes that work behind the curtains in alliances to fuel POS's and log stront timers all day long.
I think the OP was suggesting that aggression mails be taken off. Fuel mails would stay, as he stated in his post.
I actually don't think it's a terrible idea...makes sense from a RP perspective that it might be hard to get a message out from the middle of nowhere when there is no one around. And it certainly would be amusing.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:27:00 -
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Nice, mandatory alt at every tower.
To make it even better, remove local from 0.0 so that if you warp to the tower to check you will not even know if there is some enemy. 
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Geong Si
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Geong Si on 08/04/2009 18:29:52
Actually it's not a bad idea but you know it would cause far too many Borg Alliance tears and whine petitions.
The problem with 0.0 space is there is just no way that I can see, for a new alliance to spark up and take space under the current conditions. It's far to easy for big Borg like alliances to hold a few choke points and never have to do much to defend the rest of their space.
Make them have to actively defend all these little empty systems and I think you would see a much different map that would give many new start ups a chance at some 0.0 sov. As it is right now either you become a pet or you stay in Empire..
Not very EVE like if you think about it..
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Il Morte
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Posted - 2009.04.08 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker Dead
, but make them actually hold their territory, not keep it by default.
If it is that empty then just fly in and take out and launch a few of your own pos's.
If you want an easy button go to staples
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Wingshard
Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.08 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Il Morte
Originally by: Speaker Dead
, but make them actually hold their territory, not keep it by default.
If it is that empty then just fly in and take out and launch a few of your own pos's.
If you want an easy button go to staples
IT IS f*cking empty.
the most systems that are held without any decent true sec or moons are either low on towercount, not a chokepoint or just used for reaction poses/bridge/cynojammer.
what happens when you fly there and put a tower up is hostiles getting a message of it, taking the jammer down, throwing an assload of capitals in your face and leave them in system until they can take your tower out.
you cant just stealth in somewhere and put a pos as operationpoint aslong the target area dont has any npc place near.
and the easy button acctualy exists. its called dysprosium moon. reimburses a capfleet each month for fueling and owning it under a cynojammer.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.04.08 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Il Morte
If it is that empty then just fly in and take out and launch a few of your own pos's.
Attack an existing POS and the defender get an evemail. When it exits reinforced a large fleet will usually show up to defend for a few hours then disappear.
Drop a tower into a system with someone holding sov and they'll receive an evemail. A few days later a very large fleet will show up to remove the pos in a few minutes then disappear.
Other than this and the macro ratters large swaths of space are empty. A sov holding alliance doesn't need to have a presence in space, merely drop by for a short time once a month.
The changes the OP are suggesting would mean that a small corp could hold a moon for the other 29 days. Having a presence in a system would mean something.
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.04.08 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Il Morte
If you want an easy button go to staples
exactly the opposite of what he is saying
he is saying the big alliances have the easy button and its not fair to smaller ones that might
MAKE AN EFFORT if it wasnt nearly impossible
spend 2 more seconds reading instead of criticizing sometime
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:00:00 -
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i think this would be fun, in the "turn off local chat" sorta way. maybe require sov 4 for the warning or something.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:14:00 -
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Nice suggestion to fix an obviously broken part of 0.0.
I get the impression CCP are looking at sov mechanics anyway, rather than modifying the current system they might ditch it altogether in favour of something better.
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Lazarann
Caldari
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:33:00 -
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That's a pretty good idea. It would also better reflect the abilities of an alliance, and it would be interesting to see the changes in the sovereignty maps.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Originally by: Gran Frondre
How would this fix anything?
It would only lead to more tedious jobs for those unsung heroes that work behind the curtains in alliances to fuel POS's and log stront timers all day long.
I think the OP was suggesting that aggression mails be taken off. Fuel mails would stay, as he stated in his post.
I actually don't think it's a terrible idea...makes sense from a RP perspective that it might be hard to get a message out from the middle of nowhere when there is no one around. And it certainly would be amusing.
Whut? How is it hard to send a message when we already have the technology to transmit every piece of information stored in our brain across the EVE cluster instantly upon pod death?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Whut? How is it hard to send a message when we already have the technology to transmit every piece of information stored in our brain across the EVE cluster instantly upon pod death?
As hard as it needs to be for gameplay reasons.
Also, the attacking fleet jams the POS distress call when they attack, or when they stick up a tower. Fuel mails are not sent from the POS, but rather from a local tracking system which records the fuel levels/usage rates, and thus are unaffected.
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TigerXtrm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:50:00 -
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Very much signed. If space isn't being used for anything but showing off then it shouldn't be easy to keep either. Current system is weird to begin with. I never understood how a static tower can claim what alliance lives there? Surely the actual inhabitants of that particular system live there, as opposed to the alliance 'claiming' to live there?
Doing this wouldn't change that much. All actually inhabited systems would stay the same, safe for actual POS patrols, and the uninhabited systems would be open for grabs for new/other alliances. It would open up a whole new deal of tactic for the layout of an alliance's empire.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Originally by: Gran Frondre
How would this fix anything?
It would only lead to more tedious jobs for those unsung heroes that work behind the curtains in alliances to fuel POS's and log stront timers all day long.
I think the OP was suggesting that aggression mails be taken off. Fuel mails would stay, as he stated in his post.
I actually don't think it's a terrible idea...makes sense from a RP perspective that it might be hard to get a message out from the middle of nowhere when there is no one around. And it certainly would be amusing.
Whut? How is it hard to send a message when we already have the technology to transmit every piece of information stored in our brain across the EVE cluster instantly upon pod death?
Ohhhh... say about as hard as building a ship that doesn't continuously accelerate?
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Oxystar
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Posted - 2009.04.08 22:03:00 -
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I like what he's saying eventho i've never been in 00 alliance
tell me a system with macro ratter. i'll go get em
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Gant Stryker
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.08 22:11:00 -
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I think you could fix 0.0 by randomly having NPC's set up un-conquerable stations a few at a time every month in random 0.0 systems. Take some of the focus off of sovereignty and let people move abut a bit more in 0.0.
Lots more pvp if you bring a little peice of curse, venal, or syndicate to Feythabolis or Etherium Reach...
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.08 22:28:00 -
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A good change, however it is a drop in the bucket to the problem of 0.0 warfare. Best bet is to wait for Starbase 3.0 and pray it is good, because if it isn't it will be another 2 years for CCP to get around to 0.0 changes.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Zephran Cocharan
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zephran Cocharan on 09/04/2009 15:31:46
I find all of this pretty funny. I say that because I was a carebear who wanted to go to 0.0. So I got a corp. Flew around, made some contacts. Got into a said Alliance in 0.0 with sov and systems, and now I have several POS's and am part of an Alliance.
You see eve is not the type of game that you just go in and do something. It requires effort, contacts, politics, and patience.
0.0 isn't broken just as blasters werent, missles werent, nano's weren't and ECM isn't. It just requires effort.
It is no different than if I had a gang in RL and decided I wanted turf and showed up. Someone already claimed that turf and when they find out all hell will break lose. SO what do you do, either a hostile take over or you POLITIC to make friends and "rent/pay tribute" ti the big dog already there for the right to stay and help them out.
edited for spelling and yes I am an alt. Rules do not allow me to post under my main
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Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
Gisleres Mining Federation
Knights Collective
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zephran Cocharan
It is no different than if I had a gang in RL and decided I wanted turf and showed up. Someone already claimed that turf and when they find out all hell will break lose. SO what do you do, either a hostile take over or you POLITIC to make friends and "rent/pay tribute" ti the big dog already there for the right to stay and help them out.
Are there actually alliances that 'rent' systems of other alliances to be allowed to mine there uninterrupted?
In EVE, I certainly could see it happening.
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Zephran Cocharan
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:46:00 -
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Yes there are several. See CVA, Paxton, Sev3rance, Sylph, goons, -A-. Just about everysingle one rents space.
You just need to ask
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Northern Fall
Minmatar
Guild Academy
Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:58:00 -
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100% support this
New corps need a chance at 0.0
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Panzram
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.09 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Panzram on 09/04/2009 16:14:28
What about anchoring notices?
Tbh any alliance with a halfway competent intel network would know about a serious attempt on their space before the mail. The other 75% would prob be caught offguard tho. This would probably hurt small less entrenched alliances more, so im all for it.
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Frobos
Weird Cat Research
Zombie Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.09 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wingshard
...what happens when you fly there and put a tower up is hostiles getting a message of it...
I thought the act of just putting a tower online does NOT attempt to claim sov until you right-click on the tower and actually choose from the drop-down list, the option to make said claim.
Or, will an evemail still go out because someone already has sov, no matter if you try to claim or not?
What about systems that don't have sov? Am I correct in assuming all the Borg alliances don't really have sov over every single system/region? Just the key, choke-points as it was mentioned? If so, doing a ninja tower drop in a system/region without any current tower or sov should be able to happen....right?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.04.09 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Crackzilla on 09/04/2009 17:21:20
Originally by: Frobos
Or, will an evemail still go out because someone already has sov, no matter if you try to claim or not?
From what I've seen an evemail always goes out to whoever has sov if a tower is anchored.
Originally by: Frobos
Just the key, choke-points as it was mentioned? If so, doing a ninja tower drop in a system/region without any current tower or sov
Chokepoints, systems near chokepoints, systems for jump bridges, systems to support jump bridges for other alliances, systems with stations, systems near stations, systems with decent ratting, systems with ice, systems with any viable moon mining, systems for cynogens, systems on a pipeline, systems near a pipeline, systems with decent mining, systems with plexes.
About the only systems that do not have sov are completely worthless and remote. So to even place a pos you're looking at a long trek through hostile space to an area where the residents see no value in visiting. Usually staying in empire running lvl 4's is a far better idea.
A ninja tower in a system without a tower or sov is possible. It'll take the alliance a few days or a few weeks before someone notices. Usually someone will notice there is a bit more neutral activity in an area then normal. Scan down the neuts and they're sitting in their pos. Pos is removed after a cta is scheduled.
So a ninja pos is only useful for moon mining (on worthless moons) or a safe spot that isn't likely to last more than a day or two. Difficult to use a pos if any activity draws attention to it.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.04.09 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Nice, mandatory alt at every tower.
To make it even better, remove local from 0.0 so that if you warp to the tower to check you will not even know if there is some enemy.
You ever heard of the on-board scanner?
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.04.09 17:55:00 -
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More working fix: Remove the sovereignity - to kill the repulsive and lame politics stuff.
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Hardin
Amarr
Blame The Bunny
Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.09 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zephran Cocharan
Yes there are several. See CVA, Paxton, Sev3rance, Sylph, goons, -A-. Just about everysingle one rents space.
You just need to ask
CVA and CVA Holders do not rent our space - we allow anyone to use it provided they are not red to us.
Read http://www.cva-eve.org/ particularly Guide/Faq section.
I would also like to point out to op that assumption that all 0.0 don't use their space is not right. Many, like CVA do have substantial presence in their region.
However CVA also allows neutrals and neutral alliances to use our space so whatever mechanic that is implemented cannot simply be based on something like gate usage for example because that would mean that we would have to close our space to everyone except our own pilots!
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