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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:44:00 -
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We've been living in a C5 for about 3 weeks, and have yet to have a grav site spawn. Have any other C5 residents gone this long with them? I've spent most of my time in lower-class w-space and there always seemed to be at least one every week or so.
Just looking for some feedback before accusing CCP of cackling maniacally as they deny us grav sites. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

illy velo
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
24
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:50:00 -
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Oh you didn't get the memo? It is part of the new inferno release, anti-carebearing initiative alpha!
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Drunein
Lockheed Nighthawk
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:53:00 -
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The last C5 I stepped into to briefly gather intel on, had 5 gravs. It seems they spawn mostly when you dont need them. Move your mining equipment out of the hole and start running sites. Im sure you will then see plenty of gravs pop up. |

Major Clanger
The Clangers
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:58:00 -
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Link your Locus and i will check this out for you |

Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:15:00 -
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I'm not certain, but I think there's a cap on the number of sites available for specific class types. It might be it's also specific to wormhole constellations. One practice is that if you come across a wormhole that's the same class as yours that it's a good idea to despawn the sigs before you leave. Also worth mentioning is that activating a site doesn't mean you have to actaully warp into it. |

Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:04:00 -
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Consider yourself lucky... |

Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:29:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:We've been living in a C5 for about 3 weeks, and have yet to have a grav site spawn. Have any other C5 residents gone this long with them? I've spent most of my time in lower-class w-space and there always seemed to be at least one every week or so. Not a C5, but in a C2 I used to reside in we went approximately 1.5 months without a grav.
I'd say the same mechanic that distributes them/spawns them in the lower class holes is used in the upper class holes.
TAKE MY GRAVS, PLEASE! |

Gnaw LF
46
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:50:00 -
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If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong. |

Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:07:00 -
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I dont think FloppieTheBanjoClown is trolling at all....

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Phrank Phish
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:22:00 -
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3 weeks is a breeze son. My first wh (couple of years ago now) was a C4 (thats right) and once we cleared all the local sigs (every single one, it was our first wh, we didnt know what we were doing) we thought to ourselves "thats fine, tomorrow there will be more". But more there werent, nor the day after, nor the week after, not even the next month. We spent 7 weeks without a single signature spawning, petitioned it several times and were told its not a bug. Every day we probed, found the static, went out for a look around, but our home system remained barren. lol looking back now of course I realise how stupid we were, but wh's were a new thing back then and there werent the info sites we have now. After 7 weeks we pulled down the tower and left, god only knows how we managed to wait that long, mostly inactive.
Anyway, the moral of the story is: sites (of all flavors) are static, if no one else despawns them then they wont move. When I lived in a C5 static C5 I would come across empty systems with 40 - 50 sigs in them, we warped to every one and a couple of days later would recieve a large boost of sigs in our home system. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:59:00 -
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I am in a C4 and 12 hrs ago warped to 6 of them to make them go away.. so maybe they will come to you.. 3 ladar on their way also.. you can thank me by direct isk transfers.... Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:12:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong. Someone's gotta build dem caps. Honest!
Royal Jedi wrote:I dont think FloppieTheBanjoClown is trolling at all....  We have our reasons for wanting regular grav sites, actually. Using alts to semi-afk mine while we shoot sleepers might be a small part of that. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

discordigant
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:58:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong.
THIS.
But in all seriousness we had 4 last week and the moment they where up we warped to them to start the counter for them to GTFO. Random is random. |

Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:21:00 -
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Some systems do get fewer sites than others though. My (unprovable) theory is that some sites are tied to the constellation. If you live in a constellation where all or most of the other systems are unoccupied, there will be no people who regularly scan down sites and start their timer, so the sites stay in place and don't move to your system.
From quite a lot of monitoring I get the impression that living in an unpopular type of system results in fewer sites. For example I once monitored two C5s simultaneously. One had a C3 static, the other C2. C5/C3 is popular, C5/C2 not so much. The latter got virtually no new signatures for several weeks, while the other got at least one every day.
More anecdotal evidence: I was once living for a long time in a hole, and we occasionally got a new grav site, but not very often. Then we had some weeks where we were literally showered with grav sites. May well have been pure coincidence, but checking dotlan I noticed that one of the other systems in our constellation was newly occupied. And the sleeper corpse count suggested they were running a lot of gravs (regular but few sleeper kills). So maybe a ton of grav sites had accumulated in their system and now they were making them move on.
Maybe someone living in a truly crappy system like C4/C1 or C5/C1 can share his experiences... Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |

CirJohn
The Flying Tigers Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:25:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Some systems do get fewer sites than others though. My (unprovable) theory is that some sites are tied to the constellation. If you live in a constellation where all or most of the other systems are unoccupied, there will be no people who regularly scan down sites and start their timer, so the sites stay in place and don't move to your system.
From quite a lot of monitoring I get the impression that living in an unpopular type of system results in fewer sites. For example I once monitored two C5s simultaneously. One had a C3 static, the other C2. C5/C3 is popular, C5/C2 not so much. The latter got virtually no new signatures for several weeks, while the other got at least one every day.
More anecdotal evidence: I was once living for a long time in a hole, and we occasionally got a new grav site, but not very often. Then we had some weeks where we were literally showered with grav sites. May well have been pure coincidence, but checking dotlan I noticed that one of the other systems in our constellation was newly occupied. And the sleeper corpse count suggested they were running a lot of gravs (regular but few sleeper kills). So maybe a ton of grav sites had accumulated in their system and now they were making them move on.
Maybe someone living in a truly crappy system like C4/C1 or C5/C1 can share his experiences...
THIS
I've spent a lot of time in WS, and I can tell you that this guys suspicious are correct. Every constellation has a set number of available sites, and when a site despawns in one system it will immediately respawn somewhere else in the same constellation. As such, the unoccupied/inactive systems gather sites like they're going out of style.
Take the time to look up what constellation you are in. If possible, find out who else lives there. By working to gether to empty your own systems, and by despawning sites in unused systems, you can make sites spawn much more regularly.
Tip: If you happen to find a way into a system in your constellation, leave a probing alt in that system. By allowwing anything to lock it in a combat site (or mining one cycle in a grav site), you will trigger the despawn timer. Regularly despawning unused (or not-so-unused) sytems will improve spawning in the rest of the constellation. |

Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:08:00 -
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CirJohn wrote:[
THIS
I've spent a lot of time in WS, and I can tell you that this guys suspicious are correct. Every constellation has a set number of available sites, and when a site despawns in one system it will immediately respawn somewhere else in the same constellation. As such, the unoccupied/inactive systems gather sites like they're going out of style.
Take the time to look up what constellation you are in. If possible, find out who else lives there. By working to gether to empty your own systems, and by despawning sites in unused systems, you can make sites spawn much more regularly.
Tip: If you happen to find a way into a system in your constellation, leave a probing alt in that system. By allowwing anything to lock it in a combat site (or mining one cycle in a grav site), you will trigger the despawn timer. Regularly despawning unused (or not-so-unused) sytems will improve spawning in the rest of the constellation.
are you sure you have to get locked or mine anything?
i thought that just by initiated warp to the site (getting the site lore popup thing) that activated the site and it will de spawn 4 downtimes from when you initiated warp.
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
65
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:28:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote: i thought that just by initiated warp to the site (getting the site lore popup thing) that activated the site and it will de spawn 4 downtimes from when you initiated warp.
You're right. I have been doing it this way for a long time: When I am scanning my system, I immediately initiate warp to any new site that I don't want (ladar, grav, sometimes also mag and rad), then cancel it. Most sites that spawn I never enter, but 4 days later after downtime they are reliably gone.
Maybe doing something in the site shortens the timer, but I don't think so. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:27:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Oxandrolone wrote: i thought that just by initiated warp to the site (getting the site lore popup thing) that activated the site and it will de spawn 4 downtimes from when you initiated warp.
You're right. I have been doing it this way for a long time: When I am scanning my system, I immediately initiate warp to any new site that I don't want (ladar, grav, sometimes also mag and rad), then cancel it. Most sites that spawn I never enter, but 4 days later after downtime they are reliably gone. Maybe doing something in the site shortens the timer, but I don't think so.
yes, clearing them 
as many people have said, back in my dark ages when i used to mine in our first c3, wed go a month or more without. Now that i dont care about gravs they seem to be all over every wormhole i find. my theory is that the game knows what youre looking for and then spawns it somewhere else :tinfoilhat: |

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
219
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:02:00 -
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This happens, in our wh we had times when no new grav spawned within 3 weeks. And then again like 10 spawned within one week. Patience, dear wormhole-dweller. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |

Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
9
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:38:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Consider yourself lucky...
Yeah, COnsider yourself lucky, grav sites are a place where your exhumer deserves to die. |

Killer Claw
Sky Fighters Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:24:00 -
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Wormholes essentially have a shelf-life, yours just could be all farmed out. |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:11:00 -
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Killer Claw wrote:Wormholes essentially have a shelf-life, yours just could be all farmed out.
That's basically how CCP explained it. But the exact workings of the site respawn mechanics tell a different tale. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.30 00:19:00 -
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Killer Claw wrote:Wormholes essentially have a shelf-life, yours just could be all farmed out.
Don't think they have a shelf-life but the spawning can be extremely random - you can go weeks with hardly any sites then suddenly have more spawn in a week than you can get through.
From a casual observation (but by no means would I say it was factually what happens) it appears that some or all of the following may be true:
Anomalies bounce region wide so if your not in a busy region they can build up in empty wormholes. Grav, Ladar and Prof sites bounce constellation wide? A wormhole system that sites start building up in seems to attract more wandering/dynamic links until sites are run. Sites can build up in empty wormholes causing shortages elsewhere if not despawned/ran.
Also as WH space is quite busy these days it doesn't make sense to "hoard" sites as atleast once a week your going to get someone who spawns a link to you and starts all your site despawn timers. |

AlexOrl
we dont pay tax
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 05:22:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:If you are doing Grav sites in a C5, you are doing it wrong. Stop scaring away the targets! More people should mine in w-space so there are more people to shoot! |

Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.30 08:50:00 -
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Phrank Phish wrote:3 weeks is a breeze son. My first wh (couple of years ago now) was a C4 (thats right) and once we cleared all the local sigs (every single one, it was our first wh, we didnt know what we were doing) we thought to ourselves "thats fine, tomorrow there will be more". But more there werent, nor the day after, nor the week after, not even the next month. We spent 7 weeks without a single signature spawning, petitioned it several times and were told its not a bug. Every day we probed, found the static, went out for a look around, but our home system remained barren. lol looking back now of course I realise how stupid we were, but wh's were a new thing back then and there werent the info sites we have now. After 7 weeks we pulled down the tower and left, god only knows how we managed to wait that long, mostly inactive.
Anyway, the moral of the story is: sites (of all flavors) are static, if no one else despawns them then they wont move. When I lived in a C5 static C5 I would come across empty systems with 40 - 50 sigs in them, we warped to every one and a couple of days later would recieve a large boost of sigs in our home system.
Phrank.....are you related to Duke Nukem at all ?  |
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