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Shurrurru	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:06:00 - [1] I have all the basic learning skills at 4 and most of the advanced at 3 (that finishes shortly after 1.6 million). Should I take the rest of basics to 5 or is it not worth the train time? Should I take advanced beyond 3? Once upon a time (a few years ago) people said the advanced learning wasn't worth taking to 5 because the time spent wasn't worth the time saved for skills or something. Other than implants, are there any other ways to increase my SP/hour once learning is done? Boosters, other skills, etc?
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:10:00 - [2] take your basics to 5, the advances to 4, get some +3 implants and get going on some REAL skills. no, the only way to increase your SP/hour is with learning skills and implants
Freyya Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Freyya on 10/04/2009 10:15:31 Lvl 5 on the advanced is certainly not worth it in this early stage of the game. You could take the advanced learning skills to 4 but i'd suggest you keep them for a bit later on. Other than the learning/advanced learning skills and implants (cybernetics skill) there are no other ways to improve your stats afaik. I suggest you now go train some stuff you will be using in your career Clarification: Keep the basics at 4 for now, advanced at 3, get some +2's or +3 implants and start training carreer skills. They are pretty short and low level atm so those 20 mins to an hour difference in the lvl 5 of low level skills doesn't hurt you much. Once you get to train skills that take longer to complete you can train both basic and advanced a level up. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:15:00 - [4] Don't train any more learning skills. Train skills that will get you to fly some fun ships. The game is about fun, not omg I'm losing 100 sp/week because I didn't perfectly micromanage my character! Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:17:00 - [5] From 4/3 in the basic/advanced learning skills, your best path is Cybernetics I (to get +3 implants), advanced skills to IV, and then go out and have some fun before tackling the basic lvl Vs… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
BuyMyShizz Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:18:00 - [6] Start Battleship 5. That's what I'm doing w/ my alt
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:20:00 - [7] Originally by: BuyMy**z Start Battleship 5. That's what I'm doing w/ my alt How is this relevant? ----------
Lee Dalton THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Tippia From 4/3 in the basic/advanced learning skills, your best path is Cybernetics I (to get +3 implants), advanced skills to IV, and then go out and have some fun before tackling the basic lvl Vsà Agreed.
StinkRay	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:23:00 - [9] Edited by: StinkRay on 10/04/2009 10:24:52 Edited by: StinkRay on 10/04/2009 10:24:04 according to evemon, I have to set a year long plan to justify training up learning further. The relevant skill in question is at 4 on basic and 3 advanced. The gain from knocking it up a level to 4 on advanced is a day or so. I'm not going to do that! Don't listen to these guys. Start using evemon and set a few month long plans. If you can gain days with more learning training do it otherwise leave it. Go train something that's actually related to FUN. Just plug in +3's, and when you can afford it, +4's. Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 and filesize no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
Savage Creampuff	Posted - 2009.04.10 10:25:00 - [10] basics to v and advanced to iv is 2.214m sp i think and worth it in the long run. just don't get too caught up in stats and forget to have fun doing really bad things to decent people Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:06:00 - [11] Train for T2 frigs IMO, gives you some nice support skills to work with. Then go PVP.
Admiral Shade	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:10:00 - [12] Must ... get... all learning skills to 5. Pathological ... need for perfection.... I am getting them all to 5. My 769 day plan in evemon commands me to.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Franga Originally by: BuyMy**z Start Battleship 5. That's what I'm doing w/ my alt How is this relevant? Because apparantly the double training speed is calculated when the skill starts training, so as long as you have under 1.6m when you start training battleship V, it'll only take 15-20 days instead of 30-40. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Nyphur Because apparantly the double training speed is calculated when the skill starts training, so as long as you have under 1.6m when you start training battleship V, it'll only take 15-20 days instead of 30-40. Did this with learning V (unintentionally). I didn't log into the game during that time. A buddy who did log in said that his training speed got adjusted downwards in mid-training, but maybe he did something more than just logging into the character. Like, uh, pausing skilltraining or something :)
Eran Laude Gallente The Astral Order	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Admiral Shade Must ... get... all learning skills to 5. Pathological ... need for perfection.... I am getting them all to 5. My 769 day plan in evemon commands me to. This is how not to plan skills. Adding every skill you like the look of into EVEmon doesn't count as a plan, because you will end up breaking it, chopping and changing skills, adding new ones in, taking ones out. It's very much a rough guide and not a plan if it's going on for 2 years. Incidentally, while I've got Basics V, Advanced IV and +IV implants, don't feel obliged to train the learning skills in one block. It will completely ruin any potential enjoyment of the game that you could have very fast. Just leave your learning skills where they are at the moment and then come back to them later, after you've trained for a few more ship types. My recommendations are interceptors and assault frigates, maybe branching into electronic attack frigs - that will net you a useful set of small gang-capable ships as well as setting you up very, very nicely with basic skills. ----- Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:48:00 - [16] There is a new player forum for this sort of question.
BuyMyShizz Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Franga Originally by: BuyMy**z Start Battleship 5. That's what I'm doing w/ my alt How is this relevant?
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.04.10 11:53:00 - [18] Originally by: StinkRay Edited by: StinkRay on 10/04/2009 10:24:52 Edited by: StinkRay on 10/04/2009 10:24:04 according to evemon, I have to set a year long plan to justify training up learning further. The relevant skill in question is at 4 on basic and 3 advanced. The gain from knocking it up a level to 4 on advanced is a day or so. I'm not going to do that! Don't listen to these guys. Start using evemon and set a few month long plans. If you can gain days with more learning training do it otherwise leave it. Go train something that's actually related to FUN. Just plug in +3's, and when you can afford it, +4's. some ppl plan to play this game for much longer then a year, so it will be worth it in the end for most of us
The Riddik	Posted - 2009.04.10 12:04:00 - [19] Edited by: The Riddik on 10/04/2009 12:04:34 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia take your basics to 5, the advances to 4, get some +3 implants and get going on some REAL skills. no, the only way to increase your SP/hour is with learning skills and implants do this. did basically this with an alt( but with +4 implants), and now, hmm bout 7 months after i started her she has a hisec t2 research pos, runs a freightor service, flys a battleship and mines like the wind
Admiral Shade	Posted - 2009.04.10 12:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Eran Laude Originally by: Admiral Shade Must ... get... all learning skills to 5. Pathological ... need for perfection.... I am getting them all to 5. My 769 day plan in evemon commands me to. This is how not to plan skills. Adding every skill you like the look of into EVEmon doesn't count as a plan, because you will end up breaking it, chopping and changing skills, adding new ones in, taking ones out. It's very much a rough guide and not a plan if it's going on for 2 years. Incidentally, while I've got Basics V, Advanced IV and +IV implants, don't feel obliged to train the learning skills in one block. It will completely ruin any potential enjoyment of the game that you could have very fast. Just leave your learning skills where they are at the moment and then come back to them later, after you've trained for a few more ship types. My recommendations are interceptors and assault frigates, maybe branching into electronic attack frigs - that will net you a useful set of small gang-capable ships as well as setting you up very, very nicely with basic skills. Oh I agree with you - I am having an awesome time with my buddies running levels three's in our cross-trained battle cruisers. (Which was in my plan, btw) I did not add all the learning skills in one block. I am, however, not a fool enough to think that I can fly a battleship fitted with slingshots. While I can be in a Megathron or a Tempest in 8 days or so, I wont. So my plan calls for me to do learning skills for a few weeks, then improve some stuff, then back to learning, etc... All the while earning isk missioning to get that battleship I want, fitted the way I want it. With the skills to fly it properly. Six months from now. Plus - Battlecruisers to 5 is a must! I think getting the learning skills to 5 is a personal choice. For me it is a must, as I would always be looking over my shoulder at the blank spots in my training guide, and it would eat at me like a flesh-eating bacteria. ANY speed improvement is worth it to me, in the long run...
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel. The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.10 12:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Vaal Erit Don't train any more learning skills. Train skills that will get you to fly some fun ships. The game is about fun, not omg I'm losing 100 sp/week because I didn't perfectly micromanage my character! This ----- The Python Cartel Is Recruiting! - My Pirate Blog
Wild Rho Amarr Sniggerdly	Posted - 2009.04.10 13:26:00 - [22] Spend less time worrying about optimal training times and just enjoy playing the game. It's not like you're given a final score when you've finished.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.10 13:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Vaal Erit Don't train any more learning skills. Train skills that will get you to fly some fun ships. The game is about fun, not omg I'm losing 100 sp/week because I didn't perfectly micromanage my character! this, for the love of god
Dannei's Jitabot	Posted - 2009.04.10 13:57:00 - [24] EVEMon. That is all.
EliteSlave Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.10 14:03:00 - [25] On my alt i trained him to lvl 4 basic, lvl 4 advanced and lvl 5 learning, and now 2 days from cyber 5. I plan for him being another research alt
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.10 14:09:00 - [26] basics to 4, learning to 5, advanced to 4, +4 implants. then train for bc5
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.04.10 14:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Vaal Erit Don't train any more learning skills. Train skills that will get you to fly some fun ships. The game is about fun, not omg I'm losing 100 sp/week because I didn't perfectly micromanage my character! This eve is boring enough.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.04.10 15:27:00 - [28] Edited by: Sader Rykane on 10/04/2009 15:28:08 Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Vaal Erit Don't train any more learning skills. Train skills that will get you to fly some fun ships. The game is about fun, not omg I'm losing 100 sp/week because I didn't perfectly micromanage my character! This eve is boring enough. I've trained advanced to 4 and base to 5 and have +4 implants. I have every intention of going +5 advanced and getting +5 implants in the coming months as well. The math may say its not practical, but I don't really care. What's boring for you, may not be boring for others. ...
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.10 16:05:00 - [29] I'd suggest keeping your basics at 4 and your advanced at 3, getting some cheap-o +3 implants (then +4 as soon as you can afford it), and running with that until you have a month you can invest in learning skills and not go crazy. I used the 4/3/4 setup for a bit over a year, until I finally made the month-long investment and trained to 5/4/4. And if I had to do it all over again, I'd still do it the same way. Fun now > more skills later, at least for a while.
StinkRay	Posted - 2009.04.10 21:57:00 - [30] Poasting again because I feel this is important. If you really must train the learning skills, get basics IV and advanced III, learning III or IV. I just ran the numbers again. If I set a year long plan, the 25 days or so required to knock my skills up to V/IV and learning five gives me 10 days faster training time. Think about it. You spend 25 days, and after a YEAR you have gotten 10 days back. If you spread these learning blocks out, you gain even less. Now, implants +3 gives me 57 days faster training time. +4's 66 days. (this also shows that the gain from +4s are debatable, but that's just an isk question. If you want to pvp, it probably isnt). Read that again until you understand, and please stop recommending the newbs the V/IV. They listen to your advice so please be responsible! Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 and filesize no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
vecdran Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.10 22:36:00 - [31] Level 5 advanced learning skills definitely aren't worth it. The only reason I have all of mine except charisma to 5 is because I ghost trained all of them each time I quit Eve.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.11 00:42:00 - [32] If you set up a skill plan on EVEMon, it'll suggest learning skills if it will reduce your training time by training it (as in, the time to train the skill will be offset by the extra point). Just throw in some skills you want to train for the next few weeks and see what it tells you. I like using the learning skills as a "cap" at the end of my plan in case something RL comes up forcing me to be away for a period of time. Works like a charm.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.11 01:18:00 - [33] im at the im bored of eve stage all my accounts will have expired this wednesday i will take a few months break hopefully ambulation might offer something fun to do since ccp nerfed everything else
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.11 03:33:00 - [34] I currently have basics to 4 and advanced to 3, which I'm now working on getting 5/4. I'm really regretting not doing this in my early career. I'm also regretting several other skills I trained. It's just the way the game is. You've got them to a decent level, now have some fun. Set a goal for yourself, like flying BS's, work your way up to them. Train frigates and fit them with small guns, get the T2 variants, and get your tanking skills up to t2 components. Then work on cruisers, get them fully T2 fitted, then get a BS and get it fully t2 fitted. DO NOT RUSH INTO BIG SHIPS. You cannot fly them properly, you will lose them in missions and discourage yourself. Take your time, the game isn't going anywhere!
TARG AK Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.11 04:04:00 - [35] Set goals for your character and train the skills needed to reach them. What do you want to do in EVE?
Brutor'Man X	Posted - 2009.04.11 04:53:00 - [36] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Franga Originally by: BuyMy**z Start Battleship 5. That's what I'm doing w/ my alt How is this relevant? Because apparantly the double training speed is calculated when the skill starts training, so as long as you have under 1.6m when you start training battleship V, it'll only take 15-20 days instead of 30-40. This is what I did for my first 2 weeks. On creation day I ran the tutorials and immediately trained cybernetics to 1 and plugged in the lovely full +3 set my dear old departed grandfather(main: not departed) had given me as an inheritance gift for the day I became a pod pilot. From there I bought all the basic learning skills minus charisma and set up the queue with alternating learning and normal skills. I proceded to have a blast with the Sisters mission arc and kept up the training till I had all the learnings to 4 and then adv to 3 with other needed skills seeded in the queue throughout. Once all the learnings were 4/3 I remapped to put perception and intelligence to be three points ahead of willpower and memory then started on leveling out the support and fitting skills for a battlecruiser until I got to the point that only enough 2x time was left to finish drone 5 and bc 4 with 10,000 sp left till 1.6 mil sp total. Now all I have to do is start bc5 and enjoy running level 2 and 3 missions until the 14 days to bc 5 are over. Heh a useable mission hurricane at two weeks with drone and battlecruiser 5 a bit over two weeks later. Then after that all thats left is polishing up the leftover skills to get all t2 fittings and supports then another remap to go charisma and then the leadership skills to finally land in a Sleip. Endless horizons after that. Absolutely love the new character system CCP. Kudos!

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