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fairimear	Posted - 2004.08.26 11:45:00 - [121] Originally by: Elithiomel Edited by: Elithiomel on 26/08/2004 07:10:14 Gallente Clotho - exequror - Duvolle Labs - support cruiser Oneiros - exequror - Roden Shipyards - support cruiser - finally, an Exequror with a decent paint job :) Arazu - celestis - Creodron - point defense Lachesis - celestis - Duvolle Labs - point defense Phobos - thorax - Roden Shipyards - battlecruiser Ishtar - thorax - Creodron - battlecruiser Deimos - vexor - Roden Shipyards - patrol cruiser Atropos - vexor - Duvolle Labs - patrol cruiser Minmatar Broadsword - rupture - Core Complexions - battlecruiser Muninn - rupture - Boundless Creation - battlecruiser Nomad - bellicose - Thukker Mix - Point Defense Huginn - bellicose - Boundless Creation - point defense Glaive - stabber - Core Complexion - patrol cruiser Vagabond - stabber - Thukker Mix - patrol cruiser Scimitar - scythe - Core Complexion - support cruiser Drifter - scythe - Thukker Mix - support cruiser Caldari Obsidian - moa - Kaalakiota - battlecruiser Eagle - moa - Ishukone - battlecruiser Vulture - caracal - Ishukone - patrol cruiser Cerebus - caracal - Lai Dai - patrol cruiser Falcon - blackbird - Ishukone - point defense Wyvern - blackbird - Lai Dai - point defense Basilisk - osprey - Lai Dai - support cruiser Nocturne - osprey - Kaalakiota - support cruiser Amarr Zealot - maller - Viziam - battecruiser Sacrelige - maller - Khanid Innovations - battlecruiser Devoter - maller - Carthum - battlecruiser Infidel - omen - Khanid Innovations - patrol cruiser ______ - omen Heretic - arbitrater - Khanid Innovations - point defense Pilgrim - arbitrator - Viziam -point defense Guardian - auguror - Carthum - support cruiser Sanctity - auguror - Viziam - support cruiser U know Battlecruisers r not based on existing hulls. so u can count rupture, thorax, maller and moa out of that list u got. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.08.26 11:45:00 - [122] Originally by: Elithiomel Edited by: Elithiomel on 26/08/2004 07:10:14 Gallente Clotho - exequror - Duvolle Labs - support cruiser Oneiros - exequror - Roden Shipyards - support cruiser - finally, an Exequror with a decent paint job :) Arazu - celestis - Creodron - point defense Lachesis - celestis - Duvolle Labs - point defense Phobos - thorax - Roden Shipyards - battlecruiser Ishtar - thorax - Creodron - battlecruiser Deimos - vexor - Roden Shipyards - patrol cruiser Atropos - vexor - Duvolle Labs - patrol cruiser Minmatar Broadsword - rupture - Core Complexions - battlecruiser Muninn - rupture - Boundless Creation - battlecruiser Nomad - bellicose - Thukker Mix - Point Defense Huginn - bellicose - Boundless Creation - point defense Glaive - stabber - Core Complexion - patrol cruiser Vagabond - stabber - Thukker Mix - patrol cruiser Scimitar - scythe - Core Complexion - support cruiser Drifter - scythe - Thukker Mix - support cruiser Caldari Obsidian - moa - Kaalakiota - battlecruiser Eagle - moa - Ishukone - battlecruiser Vulture - caracal - Ishukone - patrol cruiser Cerebus - caracal - Lai Dai - patrol cruiser Falcon - blackbird - Ishukone - point defense Wyvern - blackbird - Lai Dai - point defense Basilisk - osprey - Lai Dai - support cruiser Nocturne - osprey - Kaalakiota - support cruiser Amarr Zealot - maller - Viziam - battecruiser Sacrelige - maller - Khanid Innovations - battlecruiser Devoter - maller - Carthum - battlecruiser Infidel - omen - Khanid Innovations - patrol cruiser ______ - omen Heretic - arbitrater - Khanid Innovations - point defense Pilgrim - arbitrator - Viziam -point defense Guardian - auguror - Carthum - support cruiser Sanctity - auguror - Viziam - support cruiser U know Battlecruisers r not based on existing hulls. so u can count rupture, thorax, maller and moa out of that list u got. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
tenp1	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:31:00 - [123] To me, the Guardian, stats wise, looks like a modded maller with no offensive ability, less slots and a bit more cap and defence. To be honest, unless they have some hidden secret ability we know nada about, who is going to pay stupid amounts (if the covert ops frigs are anything to go by they will be tier 1 bs prices) for that when they could use a maller to do the job and still have guns and isk. Though as with all unreleased or player untested ships, we shall have to wait and see.
tenp1	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:31:00 - [124] To me, the Guardian, stats wise, looks like a modded maller with no offensive ability, less slots and a bit more cap and defence. To be honest, unless they have some hidden secret ability we know nada about, who is going to pay stupid amounts (if the covert ops frigs are anything to go by they will be tier 1 bs prices) for that when they could use a maller to do the job and still have guns and isk. Though as with all unreleased or player untested ships, we shall have to wait and see.
Holi	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:33:00 - [125] One thing that you can't see on those screenies: these cruisers have +100 added to their scan resolution compared to the base cruiser's resolution, meaning they can lock almost as fast as frigattes, which is very interesting. And since atm no class-specific bonuses are listed it can well be that when the bonuses are being added these ships will be much better shield/armor/cap/tracking boosters than anything out there atm. What is really going to determine their usage will be the price at which they will be available - just like with all T2 ships. -- Holi [ md5 checksum calculator ]
Holi	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:33:00 - [126] One thing that you can't see on those screenies: these cruisers have +100 added to their scan resolution compared to the base cruiser's resolution, meaning they can lock almost as fast as frigattes, which is very interesting. And since atm no class-specific bonuses are listed it can well be that when the bonuses are being added these ships will be much better shield/armor/cap/tracking boosters than anything out there atm. What is really going to determine their usage will be the price at which they will be available - just like with all T2 ships. -- Holi [ md5 checksum calculator ]
Elithiomel	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:35:00 - [127] [rant] Yes i know battlecruisers will be a separate class. You think i am blind and stupid ? But since CCP called the elite versions of the Tier 3 cruisers battlecruisers when they first concieved of them what would you like me to do? Choose a new name for them and then have you tell me that that is not what the elite tier 3 cruisers are called. Stop being so picky and just appreciate the fact that someone has gone to the trouble to find and post some information. [/rant] Anyway, the Oneiros seems to need a bit of love already. It has an average cap recharge of 3.5 cap/sec. The other 3 are all around 4.1 cap/sec. All other non elite cruisers have matching average recharge rates of 2.8 cap/sec. --------------------------------------------- Engineers motto; If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
Elithiomel	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:35:00 - [128] [rant] Yes i know battlecruisers will be a separate class. You think i am blind and stupid ? But since CCP called the elite versions of the Tier 3 cruisers battlecruisers when they first concieved of them what would you like me to do? Choose a new name for them and then have you tell me that that is not what the elite tier 3 cruisers are called. Stop being so picky and just appreciate the fact that someone has gone to the trouble to find and post some information. [/rant] Anyway, the Oneiros seems to need a bit of love already. It has an average cap recharge of 3.5 cap/sec. The other 3 are all around 4.1 cap/sec. All other non elite cruisers have matching average recharge rates of 2.8 cap/sec. --------------------------------------------- Engineers motto; If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:47:00 - [129] omg the bb will be a point defence cruiser? i wanted a better EW version of the bb, not a ranty point defence cruiser thingy then thy should have made the bb the support cruiser (with lots of mediums and no weapons) it already fullfills this role in fleet combat and the osprey as point defence cruiser Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:47:00 - [130] omg the bb will be a point defence cruiser? i wanted a better EW version of the bb, not a ranty point defence cruiser thingy then thy should have made the bb the support cruiser (with lots of mediums and no weapons) it already fullfills this role in fleet combat and the osprey as point defence cruiser Wanna fly with me?
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:52:00 - [131] Originally by: Ynnead ...[the idea of a defencive AMS (anti-missile-system) that doesnt take a turret or missile hard point would also be nice but then it could be mounted on anything and thus would hardly make this ship special (unless ccp does what they did for the covert ops cloaking device and frigates) my three cents.. I expect this sort of thing to come with the point-defence cruisers. There was some talk on a CSM a month or two back that they would be able to fit a gun that would auto-target missiles aimed at other ships. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:52:00 - [132] Originally by: Ynnead ...[the idea of a defencive AMS (anti-missile-system) that doesnt take a turret or missile hard point would also be nice but then it could be mounted on anything and thus would hardly make this ship special (unless ccp does what they did for the covert ops cloaking device and frigates) my three cents.. I expect this sort of thing to come with the point-defence cruisers. There was some talk on a CSM a month or two back that they would be able to fit a gun that would auto-target missiles aimed at other ships. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:56:00 - [133] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ynnead ...[the idea of a defencive AMS (anti-missile-system) that doesnt take a turret or missile hard point would also be nice but then it could be mounted on anything and thus would hardly make this ship special (unless ccp does what they did for the covert ops cloaking device and frigates) my three cents.. I expect this sort of thing to come with the point-defence cruisers. There was some talk on a CSM a month or two back that they would be able to fit a gun that would auto-target missiles aimed at other ships. yep thats point defence cruisers i hope thy make the tech2 blackbird at least a valid anti turret weapon system Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:56:00 - [134] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ynnead ...[the idea of a defencive AMS (anti-missile-system) that doesnt take a turret or missile hard point would also be nice but then it could be mounted on anything and thus would hardly make this ship special (unless ccp does what they did for the covert ops cloaking device and frigates) my three cents.. I expect this sort of thing to come with the point-defence cruisers. There was some talk on a CSM a month or two back that they would be able to fit a gun that would auto-target missiles aimed at other ships. yep thats point defence cruisers i hope thy make the tech2 blackbird at least a valid anti turret weapon system Wanna fly with me?
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:58:00 - [135] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/08/2004 13:04:01 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ynnead ...[the idea of a defencive AMS (anti-missile-system) that doesnt take a turret or missile hard point would also be nice but then it could be mounted on anything and thus would hardly make this ship special (unless ccp does what they did for the covert ops cloaking device and frigates) my three cents.. I expect this sort of thing to come with the point-defence cruisers. There was some talk on a CSM a month or two back that they would be able to fit a gun that would auto-target missiles aimed at other ships. yep thats point defence cruisers i hope thy make the tech2 blackbird at least a valid anti turret weapon system A bonus to tracking disruptor effectiveness maybe? (Assuming tracking disruptors actually work, of course!) Actually, a BB that can shoot down missiles is quite scary - the PD version simply jams it's enemy, and then shoots down any FoFs that it fires. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:58:00 - [136] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/08/2004 13:04:01 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ynnead ...[the idea of a defencive AMS (anti-missile-system) that doesnt take a turret or missile hard point would also be nice but then it could be mounted on anything and thus would hardly make this ship special (unless ccp does what they did for the covert ops cloaking device and frigates) my three cents.. I expect this sort of thing to come with the point-defence cruisers. There was some talk on a CSM a month or two back that they would be able to fit a gun that would auto-target missiles aimed at other ships. yep thats point defence cruisers i hope thy make the tech2 blackbird at least a valid anti turret weapon system A bonus to tracking disruptor effectiveness maybe? (Assuming tracking disruptors actually work, of course!) Actually, a BB that can shoot down missiles is quite scary - the PD version simply jams it's enemy, and then shoots down any FoFs that it fires. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:58:00 - [137] Many thanks to the original poster, but there's not much to see here unless we know what the ships' bonuses are.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:58:00 - [138] Many thanks to the original poster, but there's not much to see here unless we know what the ships' bonuses are.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:11:00 - [139] hope thy get the caldari point defence right Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:11:00 - [140] hope thy get the caldari point defence right Wanna fly with me?
KompleX	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:15:00 - [141] Is it just me who thinks reskinning ships and changing the stats on already excisting ships is abit "lazy"? I for one, would much rather see a completely new ship.
KompleX	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:15:00 - [142] Is it just me who thinks reskinning ships and changing the stats on already excisting ships is abit "lazy"? I for one, would much rather see a completely new ship.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:45:00 - [143] Just what we need is more T2 Ships to suck up the alreay short Supply of T2 Comps. Geez will CCP learn...either make T2 Comp. BPO's or make the new Ships T1....(i.e. Destroyers and Battle Cruisers)....
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:45:00 - [144] Just what we need is more T2 Ships to suck up the alreay short Supply of T2 Comps. Geez will CCP learn...either make T2 Comp. BPO's or make the new Ships T1....(i.e. Destroyers and Battle Cruisers)....
Malfunctionv2	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:57:00 - [145] Just make it able refine ore and all will be grand 2004.08.25 23:39:52combatYour 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon perfectly strikes Rogue Pirate Escort, wrecking for 496.8 damage.
Malfunctionv2	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:57:00 - [146] Just make it able refine ore and all will be grand 2004.08.25 23:39:52combatYour 720mm Prototype I Siege Cannon perfectly strikes Rogue Pirate Escort, wrecking for 496.8 damage.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2004.08.26 14:17:00 - [147] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/08/2004 14:21:08 I have a feeling that these ships will receive insane bonuses on cap/shield/armor-transfer mods (60-90% maybe). That would make them efficient enough to repair a battleship inspace within seconds when used in groups of two or three ships and they might even be able to maintain enough cap recharge to repair entire fleets in a relatively short time. The resulting advantage for a fleet could indeed make up for the training time and loss of offensive capabilities. These cruisers would pretty much be like the engy-ships in darkspace. Very very very valuable ships to a decent fleet IMHO. But this is all speculation of course Without a proper bonus they will remain useless though. Mai's Idealog
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2004.08.26 14:17:00 - [148] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/08/2004 14:21:08 I have a feeling that these ships will receive insane bonuses on cap/shield/armor-transfer mods (60-90% maybe). That would make them efficient enough to repair a battleship inspace within seconds when used in groups of two or three ships and they might even be able to maintain enough cap recharge to repair entire fleets in a relatively short time. The resulting advantage for a fleet could indeed make up for the training time and loss of offensive capabilities. These cruisers would pretty much be like the engy-ships in darkspace. Very very very valuable ships to a decent fleet IMHO. But this is all speculation of course Without a proper bonus they will remain useless though. Mai's Idealog
Ukiah	Posted - 2004.08.26 14:31:00 - [149] Originally by: Elithiomel Arazu - celestis - Creodron - point defense Lachesis - celestis - Duvolle Labs - point defense These are THE only two cruisers I care about. I've been a Celestis hull fan for a LONG LONG time. Once these cruisers are released, I will get one (or both) and use them EXCLUSIVELY. I'll sell my BS's, inty's, inde's, and all mods related to them and use these ships only.
Ukiah	Posted - 2004.08.26 14:31:00 - [150] Originally by: Elithiomel Arazu - celestis - Creodron - point defense Lachesis - celestis - Duvolle Labs - point defense These are THE only two cruisers I care about. I've been a Celestis hull fan for a LONG LONG time. Once these cruisers are released, I will get one (or both) and use them EXCLUSIVELY. I'll sell my BS's, inty's, inde's, and all mods related to them and use these ships only.

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