Was only about 40 people there when i visited not long ago.

Hardly worth the effort. 0.0 is dead.

Was only about 40 people there when i visited not long ago.

Hardly worth the effort. 0.0 is dead.

Confirming 0.0 is dead because people didn't cluster into one system when you happened to be there.

It's the main hub for an alliance of thousands. Surrounded by completely empty systems, and systems with one person in them. It doesn't get more dead that that.

And i wasn't just there the one day. 40 would be the rough average from two samples.

two samples.

Much too TL:DR, but the way I view it, is people really don't want goons out. One day some day, maybe the big alliances will get bored, say lets all go evict goons for a while, then implode after that gets done.

One sample is happenstance. Two is science.

I think it was 43 when i got there, and something like 36 when i logged in a day later. 40 is a generous average. And both those were during 'prime time'.

I've visited other central hubs for 0.0 alliances and those are actually higher numbers.

Confirming 0.0 is dead because its residents don't sit in "hubs" and spin their ships. I heard Catch is dead because there are only 20 people in HED-GP.

Come at me bro.

Something
. . .
Something
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More of something, rather long, not reading, still scanning for some statment that explains all this
. . .
"The people will stand erect, and will face whatever may be coming."

Was only about 40 people there when i visited not long ago.

Hardly worth the effort. 0.0 is dead.

Hey, remember last time someone thought a goon system was dead and tried to launch an attack on the cyno jammer during off-hours?

SPOILER

Currently, 4 people are in VFK, according to the game map. Weekdays are abysmal it would seem.

Party going on in 2R-CRW, though, a whole 13 pilots. Camp that gate, fellows.

Game map is goddamn awful. Don't rely on it.

I've seen it list 6VDT as having 30 people when there were 180, and I've seen it list systems with massive battles happening in them as empty.

Logging in to prove this when I should really keep on studying (damnit).

Let The goons Retreat to VFK, While we burn down all thier remaining systems. attack them on all fronts so their resources are thinned. this way we could divide them, physicaly, economicaly, and mentally.

Dont get me wrong Im all up for burning VFK, but as it stands right know I think we should use subterfuge and misdirection to obliterate our foe.

-essencially we shouldnt attack were our enemy is strongest but rather where our enemy is the weakest.

Please do this. I beg you.

Its not gonna work is it?

Hey, remember last time someone thought a goon system was dead and tried to launch an attack on the cyno jammer during off-hours?

SPOILER

I bet you swallow.

I bet you swallow.

This is cute, too bad you highsec children could never band together to do anything more than Incursion run or.... mine VELDSPAR FOR LORD CHRIBBA

OUR CONSIGNMENT ORDERS RUN EMPTY

Props on that vid. It's from India,where I live incidentally. That guy who plays Chribba is one of the highest paid actors in our country.

Indian movies are so awesome I don't even need to be able to understand them. They're so crazy and over the top and they do it with such a straight face it's like the 80's all over again. It's hilarious. Everyone should check this clip out. I promise it'll be the greatest thing you've ever seen in your life. Seriously, Indian super Elvis is my new god.

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/crazy-bollywood-action-sequence/86woDLKuwd4KugQyodO-Kw

Let The goons Retreat to VFK, While we burn down all thier remaining systems. attack them on all fronts so their resources are thinned. this way we could divide them, physicaly, economicaly, and mentally.

Dont get me wrong Im all up for burning VFK, but as it stands right know I think we should use subterfuge and misdirection to obliterate our foe.

-essencially we shouldnt attack were our enemy is strongest but rather where our enemy is the weakest.

They shall come in the thousands. With their armor tanked ravens and their ratting Domi's.

I see you've already lost a HAC in VFK.

Wanna talk about it?

Cause Goons have never lost ships in Eve. And they certainly aren't terrible at this game.

Not making any comments about losing ships in general, as i would be the last person to do that with my own record, just thought it was amusing. I rarely check killboards, but something told me to look him up, and to my surprise i found that.

That is seriously dumb. Why even bother? Why does it matter that a dude lost a ship? I mean, seriously, who really cares

It just seemed coincidental that out of his 2 losses, one happened in VFK.

I'm admittedly a noob when it comes to KM shaming. That was my first attempt, and i feel dirty now.

Two losses? Whatever killboard fu you are using sucks.

I see you've already lost a HAC in VFK.

Wanna talk about it?

I got podded in Jita in an alpha clone. Where is my consolation?!?!

LMAO Please tell me thats a comedy!

They shall come in the thousands. With their armor tanked ravens and their ratting Domi's.

Was only about 40 people there when i visited not long ago.

Hardly worth the effort. 0.0 is dead.

can't wait to pop some dual tanked ravens with maelstrom volleys

remember when the pubbies were laughing at us because we lost a few logis because of an aggression cascade

i can't wait to laugh at the pubbies for

dying to bombs

dying in bubbles

losing horribly fit capitals

not understanding sov mechanics

trying to titan bridge a fleet "next door" 7.9 au away

or just failing horribly at "burning VFK"

Evil bubbles make you lose your pod.

Oh by the way, totally safe to keep your +5s in. Heh.

It's the main hub for an alliance of thousands. Surrounded by completely empty systems, and systems with one person in them. It doesn't get more dead that that.

And i wasn't just there the one day. 40 would be the rough average from two samples.

Now perhaps you begin to get a glimmer of understanding of just how badly non-combat activities in 0.0 are gimped?

Reliable intel sources tell that hiseccers have manufactured 2000 Tornados and 12000 Catalysts and they are already on the way to VFK for this event.

CCP prepares to reinforce the node

Would they have faction//deadspace mods?

I think the newbees might like those

Now perhaps you begin to get a glimmer of understanding of just how badly non-combat activities in 0.0 are gimped?

Now perhaps you begin to understand why local and structure mails need to hit the road and never come back. Those systems are all empty because there is no need to patrol them or anything. They can just sit back in one station, thousands of them, and have all the intel they need for five regions deep. Anyone so much as touches anything they own or gets anywhere remotely close they will have an armada of thousands instantly ready to counter them in a matter of a couple minutes.

And yet they ***** about broken mechanics in high sec. LOL!

Pleeeaaase do this.

I thought that's what I linked, hence the Indian super Elvis comment. Guess I pasted the wrong one. Here's a slightly better version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysbbPStfWw

The Kwik-E-Mart guy apparently did action movies before he got his gig on the Simpsons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4iDWXstrWY

Bollywood is best wood.

Now perhaps you begin to understand why local and structure mails need to hit the road and never come back. Those systems are all empty because there is no need to patrol them or anything. They can just sit back in one station, thousands of them, and have all the intel they need for five regions deep. Anyone so much as touches anything they own or gets anywhere remotely close they will have an armada of thousands instantly ready to counter them in a matter of a couple minutes.

And yet they ***** about broken mechanics in high sec. LOL!

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation

feel free to patrol 40 stations, 113 ihubs+tcus, and 300 towers across 10 regions

i understand that you have never been in a successful space-holding alliance but please take your poorly conceived notions of nullsec back to fhc

Your alliance has thousands and thousands of members not including the largest blue list in the history of this game. You seriously suggesting you guys are too lazy to patrol that?

Please come burn VFK.



Unless you shoot tech or camp VFK, no fucks are given.

And how will you know your precious tech is being shot?

Now perhaps you begin to understand why local and structure mails need to hit the road and never come back. Those systems are all empty because there is no need to patrol them or anything. They can just sit back in one station, thousands of them, and have all the intel they need for five regions deep. Anyone so much as touches anything they own or gets anywhere remotely close they will have an armada of thousands instantly ready to counter them in a matter of a couple minutes.

And yet they ***** about broken mechanics in high sec. LOL!

Hmmm Burn VFK, I'd love this. would give me a chance to practice my bombing.

Also didn't PL try this already........

Contact Billy Merc, he has ample experience in leading coalitions of pilots into VFK, turning numerous fleets to scrap. Granted, they were his own, but you have to start somewhere.

VFK by August?

They can just sit back in one station, thousands of them

...

LOL!

And how will you know your precious tech is being shot?

You know shooting a POS causes notification mails, right? And that every 0.0 alliance worth its salt has spies literally everywhere?

fights happen after towers come out of reinforced

this is clearly difficult to understand for somebody who has never successfully defended space

Yes, because if there is one thing the devs have learned over the last decade of eve it's that the more monotonous, joblike features you put in the game, the better for everyone.

one of the dumbest ideas ive ever seen on gd, and that is saying something

Perhaps opening up combat outside of things based on reinforce timers is too much for you and your rabble to comprehend. You have a very narrow imagination outside of spinning a ship in station and waiting for the next CTA of "Blob some poor bastards" retardedness.

The entire reason why you are opposed to it is because it would punish the lazy.

Sorry you view more pvp as a job.

Perhaps opening up combat outside of things based on reinforce timers is too much for you and your rabble to comprehend. You have a very narrow imagination outside of spinning a ship in station and waiting for the next CTA of "Blob some poor bastards" retardedness.

The entire reason why you are opposed to it is because it would punish the lazy.

Sorry you view 100s of cov ops doing soul-crushing scheduled circuits of their space and moons as "pvp"

worst idea ever

you need to skill yourself (ingame)

It helps that a lot of POSes are corp-bookmarked and we live all over Dek, so getting a look at the POS once or twice a day to check it off on some POS tracking app wouldn't be too hard, if it came to it.

The stations of uncensored expression are closing down; the lights are going out; but there is still time for those to whom freedom and honour mean something, to consult together.

Capsuleers have, it seems to me, formed a true judgment upon the disaster which has befallen the Empire. They realise the far-reaching consequences of the abandonment and ruin of Jita. If in February, March or April, High Sec, Low Sec, South and West had jointly declared that they would act together upon Goonswarm if Herr Mittani committed an act of unprovoked aggression against this system, I hold that the Dictator would have been confronted with such a formidable array that he would have been deterred from his purpose.

But all these backward speculations belong to history. It is no good using hard words among friends about the past, and reproaching one another for what cannot be recalled. It is the future, not the past, that demands our earnest and anxious thought. We must recognize that the democratic, liberal and peaceful forces have everywhere sustained a defeat which leaves them weaker, morally and physically, to cope with dangers which have vastly grown. But the cause of freedom has in it a recuperative power and virtue which can draw from misfortune new hope and new strength. If ever there was a time when men and women who cherish the ideals of the founders should take earnest counsel with one another, that time is now.

All the universe wishes for prosperity. Have we gained it by the sacrifice of Jita? It has been destroyed and devoured. It is now being digested. The question which is of interest to a lot of ordinary capsuleers, common capsuleers, is whether this destruction of Jita will bring upon the world a blessing or a curse.

Shall we be able to say to ourselves: "Well, that's out of the way, anyhow. Now let's get on with our regular daily life." But are these hopes well founded or are we merely making the best of what we had not the force and virtue to stop? That is the question that the peoples in all their space must ask themselves today. Is this the end, or is there more to come?

To this has been added the cult of war. Children are to be taught in their earliest schooling the delights and profits of conquest and aggression. A whole mighty community has been drawn painfully, by severe privations, into a warlike frame. They are held in this condition by a party organisation, who derive all kinds of profits, good and bad, from the upkeep of the regime. The Goonswarm tolerate no opinion but their own. They feed on hatred. They must seek, from time to time, and always at shorter intervals, a new target, a new prize, a new victim. The Dictator, in all his pride, is held in the grip of his Party machine. He can go forward; he cannot go back. He must blood his hounds and show them sport, or else be devoured by them. All-strong without, he is all-weak within.

No one must, however, underrate the power and efficiency of a totalitarian state. Where the whole population of a great bro pact, amiable capsuleers are gripped by the neck and by the hair by Goonswarm tyranny - for they are the same things spelt in different ways - the rulers for the time being can exercise a power for the purposes of war and external domination before which the ordinary free societies are at a grievous practical disadvantage. We have to recognise this.

The culminating question to which I have been leading is whether the universe should meet this menace by submission or by resistance. Let us see, then, whether the means of resistance remain to us today. We have sustained an immense disaster. Empire lies at this moment abashed and distracted before the triumphant assertions of dictatorial power.

Far away, happily protected by forum anonymity, you, the capsuleers of New Eden are the spectators, and I may add the increasingly involved spectators of these tragedies and crimes. Will you wait until freedom and independence have succumbed, and then take up the cause when it is three-quarters ruined, yourselves alone?

"No."

There, in one single word, is the resolve which the forces of freedom and progress, of tolerance and good will, should take. It is not in the power of one alliance, however formidably armed, still less is it in the power of a small group of men, violent, ruthless men, who have always to cast their eyes back over their shoulders, to cramp and fetter the forward march of human destiny. The preponderant universal forces are upon our side; they have but to be combined to be obeyed. We must arm. Empire must arm. Low-Sec must arm, Null-Sec must arm. If, through an earnest desire for peace, we have placed ourselves at a disadvantage, we must make up for it by redoubled exertions, and, if necessary, by fortitude in suffering.

The people will stand erect, and will face whatever may be coming.

Dictatorship - the fetish worship of one man - is a passing phase. A state of society where men may not speak their minds; such a state of society cannot long endure if brought into contact with the healthy outside world. The light of civilised progress with its tolerances and co-operation, with its dignities and joys, has often in the past been blotted out. But I hold the belief that we have now at last got far enough ahead of barbarism to control it, and to avert it, if only we realise what is afoot and make up our minds in time. We shall do it in the end. But how much harder our toil for every day's delay!

Is this a call to war? Does anyone pretend that preparation for resistance to aggression is unleashing war? I declare it to be the sole guarantee of peace. We need the swift gathering of forces to confront not only military but moral aggression; the resolute and sober acceptance of their duty by all the corporations, great and small.

WC

lol

in addition to it being an awful idea for nullsec generally, you are absolutely correct that goons are the best equipped to handle the extra workload anyway with the huge numbers, huge income, and the organizational capacity of a medium sized business

the worst idea ever just got ironically worse

definite need for some self-skilling here; very low skill

the organizational capacity of a medium sized business

The stations of uncensored expression are closing down; the lights are going out; but there is still time for those to whom freedom and honour mean something, to consult together.

Capsuleers have, it seems to me, formed a true judgment upon the disaster which has befallen the Empire. They realise the far-reaching consequences of the abandonment and ruin of Jita. If in February, March or April, High Sec, Low Sec, South and West had jointly declared that they would act together upon Goonswarm if Herr Mittani committed an act of unprovoked aggression against this system, I hold that the Dictator would have been confronted with such a formidable array that he would have been deterred from his purpose.

But all these backward speculations belong to history. It is no good using hard words among friends about the past, and reproaching one another for what cannot be recalled. It is the future, not the past, that demands our earnest and anxious thought. We must recognize that the democratic, liberal and peaceful forces have everywhere sustained a defeat which leaves them weaker, morally and physically, to cope with dangers which have vastly grown. But the cause of freedom has in it a recuperative power and virtue which can draw from misfortune new hope and new strength. If ever there was a time when men and women who cherish the ideals of the founders should take earnest counsel with one another, that time is now.

All the universe wishes for prosperity. Have we gained it by the sacrifice of Jita? It has been destroyed and devoured. It is now being digested. The question which is of interest to a lot of ordinary capsuleers, common capsuleers, is whether this destruction of Jita will bring upon the world a blessing or a curse.

Shall we be able to say to ourselves: "Well, that's out of the way, anyhow. Now let's get on with our regular daily life." But are these hopes well founded or are we merely making the best of what we had not the force and virtue to stop? That is the question that the peoples in all their space must ask themselves today. Is this the end, or is there more to come?

To this has been added the cult of war. Children are to be taught in their earliest schooling the delights and profits of conquest and aggression. A whole mighty community has been drawn painfully, by severe privations, into a warlike frame. They are held in this condition by a party organisation, who derive all kinds of profits, good and bad, from the upkeep of the regime. The Goonswarm tolerate no opinion but their own. They feed on hatred. They must seek, from time to time, and always at shorter intervals, a new target, a new prize, a new victim. The Dictator, in all his pride, is held in the grip of his Party machine. He can go forward; he cannot go back. He must blood his hounds and show them sport, or else be devoured by them. All-strong without, he is all-weak within.

No one must, however, underrate the power and efficiency of a totalitarian state. Where the whole population of a great bro pact, amiable capsuleers are gripped by the neck and by the hair by Goonswarm tyranny - for they are the same things spelt in different ways - the rulers for the time being can exercise a power for the purposes of war and external domination before which the ordinary free societies are at a grievous practical disadvantage. We have to recognise this.

The culminating question to which I have been leading is whether the universe should meet this menace by submission or by resistance. Let us see, then, whether the means of resistance remain to us today. We have sustained an immense disaster. Empire lies at this moment abashed and distracted before the triumphant assertions of dictatorial power.

Far away, happily protected by forum anonymity, you, the capsuleers of New Eden are the spectators, and I may add the increasingly involved spectators of these tragedies and crimes. Will you wait until freedom and independence have succumbed, and then take up the cause when it is three-quarters ruined, yourselves alone?

"No."

There, in one single word, is the resolve which the forces of freedom and progress, of tolerance and good will, should take. It is not in the power of one alliance, however formidably armed, still less is it in the power of a small group of men, violent, ruthless men, who have always to cast their eyes back over their shoulders, to cramp and fetter the forward march of human destiny. The preponderant universal forces are upon our side; they have but to be combined to be obeyed. We must arm. Empire must arm. Low-Sec must arm, Null-Sec must arm. If, through an earnest desire for peace, we have placed ourselves at a disadvantage, we must make up for it by redoubled exertions, and, if necessary, by fortitude in suffering.

The people will stand erect, and will face whatever may be coming.

Dictatorship - the fetish worship of one man - is a passing phase. A state of society where men may not speak their minds; such a state of society cannot long endure if brought into contact with the healthy outside world. The light of civilised progress with its tolerances and co-operation, with its dignities and joys, has often in the past been blotted out. But I hold the belief that we have now at last got far enough ahead of barbarism to control it, and to avert it, if only we realise what is afoot and make up our minds in time. We shall do it in the end. But how much harder our toil for every day's delay!

Is this a call to war? Does anyone pretend that preparation for resistance to aggression is unleashing war? I declare it to be the sole guarantee of peace. We need the swift gathering of forces to confront not only military but moral aggression; the resolute and sober acceptance of their duty by all the corporations, great and small.

WC

You guys think CCP employees make throwaway alts to troll us with posts like these?

No, but goons sure do.

I'll be honest I didn't read that wall of sperg but I sure look forward to sitting on a gate killing your godawful stealthbombers off one by one.

I'll be honest I didn't read that wall of sperg but I sure look forward to sitting on a gate killing your godawful stealthbombers off one by one.

responses inline

i wonder if anyone will follow this guy from npc corp....
anyway if you do we all hope youe will take as many friends you have, faction and officer fitting welcome \o/

PS You guys think CCP employees make throwaway alts to troll us with posts like these?

Dunno, I see more NPC alts than corp ppl on the forums

Pubbies use stealthbombers?

no not pubbies muppets use them...

you see goons are muppets because alex is playing you like one

I see your clever and subtle insinuation that we're being mind controlled by The Mittani.

he does not control you mind merely your sphincter...

he does not control you mind merely your sphincter...

Another day, another post calling for pubbies to siege VFK. We welcome our new pubbie overlords. By the way, you guys do know how to siege systems, right?

The swarm of NPC alts.

Well, with the changes to wardecs, I suspect NPC corps will gain great power !

Another day, another post calling for pubbies to siege VFK. We welcome our new pubbie overlords. By the way, you guys do know how to siege systems, right?

Yeah once you guys are unwardeccable everyone goes npc corp, no more wardecs lol

Ah the NPC corp. Such a wonderful mechanism to avoid nonconsenual PVP.

There's ganking of course, but I'm sure someone is working hard on removing that.

Yeah Goons are working hard at removing that
You honestly dont think if subs drop cause of constant hulkageddon (the till august thing) and get tired of not being able to mine to they leave for other games, you HONESTLY think if this affects sub numbers CCP wont go all "summer of QQ" and do something knee jerk like they always do that makes mass ganking an exploit or something equally stupid (again like they usually do)?

and as for "Such a wonderful mechanism to avoid nonconsenual PVP."
Such a wonderful mechanism to avoid douchebag griefer corps that fap when then dec a 3 man mining corp an then fap every hour they station camp them. Youd think theyd chafe

words

LOLWUT

incomprehensible drivel.

Let's pull together and make this happen, I'm ready to push the big red button of change in the 'verse. Eve history says its coming, lets make it happen on our terms!

So I call out to the other alliances and players that would join forces to put another in the iron throne that mittens claims as his for life.

~eleet peeveepee~ will reform voltron

So I was pondering this as I consumed my body weight in tequila to connect with my "dusty deserts of AZ near Mexico" heritage in RL.

One of the most amazing part of Eve is the big sweeps in power that the badlands have provided. When my corp started we committed to the "Big Blue" experiment to let non-evil builders not breakers enjoy the wonders of 0.0. Later on we doubled down and tried the BRUCE experiment to create something similar. Prior we were part of the goons where they were just finding themselves in Empire and I watched them go from mostly useless in high sec wars to the new uberlords of Eve. So if I learned anything about Eve is it changes no matter what CCP does because the big changes come from the players, not the devs.

Along the way we saw BoB who seemed more "honest" about their intentions to own all of Eve. They ultimately failed from meta-gaming, not in Eve failures, lots of shenanigans followed and fast forward to now. So our "masters" in Eve have come in many forms, our current is definitely not my favorite.

The Goons, the defacto dictators of life in Eve define the nature of Eve. No longer just null, but the whole game. Without doubt the most successful group in Eve history. So is that it, is Eve forever going to be whatever mittnen's latest ego fart declares?

I hope not, I think we are at the very beginning of an Eve inflection point. Many grow weary of trade disruptions, market manipulation and griefing. Not to mention the domination of a part of null that easily can be described as the most wealth producing areas in the 'verse. If history in Eve tells us anything, its that nothing if permanent. So could we be at the beginning of the end of goon dominance?

While the idea of all of highsec driving the goons out of their iron throne seems unlikely, a change seems inevitable!

So I call out to the other alliances and players that would join forces to put another in the iron throne that mittens claims as his for life. I think the time for this is now. Let's come together and find a way to make the goons join the junkpile that BoB and so many other powerblocks have been tossed on. Time for a change! For better or worse we've had enough of goon nonsense.

Let's pull together and make this happen, I'm ready to push the big red button of change in the 'verse. Eve history says its coming, lets make it happen on our terms!

Issler

hahahahahaha

goons will **** up

~eleet peeveepee~ will reform voltron and curbstomp goons back to syndicate

hisec scrublords will continue to farm starter content for hours on end and avoid interaction with other players as much as possible

and eve will roll on

You said it a little differently, but mostly that! :-)

Issler

...and thus a second Children's Crusade began.

So I was pondering this as I consumed my body weight in tequila to connect with my

You said it a little differently, but mostly that! :-)

Besides the fact that it's completely different, yes.

I will enjoy sniping you terrible highsec publords from the comfort of my Machariel (Special TiberizzleGäó edition).

The Goons, the defacto dictators of life in Eve define the nature of Eve. No longer just null, but the whole game. Without doubt the most successful group in Eve history. So is that it, is Eve forever going to be whatever mittnen's latest ego fart declares?

While the idea of all of highsec driving the goons out of their iron throne

I will enjoy sniping you terrible highsec publords from the comfort of my Machariel (Special TiberizzleGäó edition).

In all seriousness, my guess is goons will eventually get bored with mittani's goonswarm, including himself. They'll implode and reform in some new incarnation; the same basic constituent parts, but arranged differently.

Personally I'm pretty happy right now with the game under an ascendant goonswarm. I'm really enjoying the market terrorism and the exercise of power outside the usual nullsec arena. Mittani's goonswarm has added a whole new set of possibilities to the playbook, and I look forward to seeing what else they will attempt before they grow bored with exercising their superpower status.

again... werent you hard core elites just little pubbies like us before you got sick of BoB and rose up?

Heh, did you make money off the manipulations? I some some of the market pvpers were quite happy with their isk.

Arty mach? Using our favorite (tm) 1400mms?

I will enjoy sniping you terrible highsec publords from the comfort of my Machariel (Special TiberizzleGäó edition).

So I was pondering this as I consumed my body weight in tequila to connect with my "dusty deserts of AZ near Mexico" heritage in RL.

One of the most amazing part of Eve is the big sweeps in power that the badlands have provided. When my corp started we committed to the "Big Blue" experiment to let non-evil builders not breakers enjoy the wonders of 0.0. Later on we doubled down and tried the BRUCE experiment to create something similar. Prior we were part of the goons where they were just finding themselves in Empire and I watched them go from mostly useless in high sec wars to the new uberlords of Eve. So if I learned anything about Eve is it changes no matter what CCP does because the big changes come from the players, not the devs.

Along the way we saw BoB who seemed more "honest" about their intentions to own all of Eve. They ultimately failed from meta-gaming, not in Eve failures, lots of shenanigans followed and fast forward to now. So our "masters" in Eve have come in many forms, our current is definitely not my favorite.

The Goons, the defacto dictators of life in Eve define the nature of Eve. No longer just null, but the whole game. Without doubt the most successful group in Eve history. So is that it, is Eve forever going to be whatever mittnen's latest ego fart declares?

I hope not, I think we are at the very beginning of an Eve inflection point. Many grow weary of trade disruptions, market manipulation and griefing. Not to mention the domination of a part of null that easily can be described as the most wealth producing areas in the 'verse. If history in Eve tells us anything, its that nothing if permanent. So could we be at the beginning of the end of goon dominance?

While the idea of all of highsec driving the goons out of their iron throne seems unlikely, a change seems inevitable!

So I call out to the other alliances and players that would join forces to put another in the iron throne that mittens claims as his for life. I think the time for this is now. Let's come together and find a way to make the goons join the junkpile that BoB and so many other powerblocks have been tossed on. Time for a change! For better or worse we've had enough of goon nonsense.

Let's pull together and make this happen, I'm ready to push the big red button of change in the 'verse. Eve history says its coming, lets make it happen on our terms!

Issler

I will personally check every skill of yours for reimbursement!

Another day, another post calling for pubbies to siege VFK. We welcome our new pubbie overlords. By the way, you guys do know how to siege systems, right?

you shoot the statue right?

Nope. You should probably brush up on your history too.

lol yah I fotgor you just appeared uber... bob never existed amirite?

Oh wait you WERE BoB you just changed names lol

SirMolle wouldn't appreciate your insinuation that he's a goon.

[s Molle. BoB were just so fun to fight and loathe.

Come back to us, you big Swedish lug, you.

SirMolle wouldn't appreciate your insinuation that he's a goon.

SirMolle was really, really into the e-honour scene. He was a whole lot more like the average eve-o posters here. in fact, I would say that he is probably just like Serene Repose.

Time to move on, memory lane is nice and all but it's starting to be a case of who??

If you dont know who SirMolle is or BoB was, you know next to nothing about EVE history.

Oh well I'm sure I'll get over my lack of ancient eve history.

Infinite War

SirMolle and BoB vs Goonswarm is like the Infinite War from Supreme Commander.

fighting and doing worse each time.

Stuff vfk, come to h-w with the shineys.

It's tons closer

Dear god yes... Please come to VFK. Make this happen.

Well as nobody is going to vfk and nobody is going to h-w maybe you and the goons should meet in the middle?

But we do that anyway. We want something new.

Go find some bored (large) forum community that needs a game to play and invite them to eve, in a year or so you might have someone to play with.

Go find some bored (large) forum community that needs a game to play and invite them to eve, in a year or so you might have someone to play with.

It's the main hub for an alliance of thousands. Surrounded by completely empty systems, and systems with one person in them. It doesn't get more dead that that.

And i wasn't just there the one day. 40 would be the rough average from two samples.

VFK-IV status: Not even slightly warm, let alone on fire.

This event is a disappointment. :(

im bored let's burn vfk ourselves

The stations of uncensored expression are closing down; the lights are going out; but there is still time for those to whom freedom and honour mean something, to consult together.

Capsuleers have, it seems to me, formed a true judgment upon the disaster which has befallen the Empire. They realise the far-reaching consequences of the abandonment and ruin of Jita. If in February, March or April, High Sec, Low Sec, South and West had jointly declared that they would act together upon Goonswarm if Herr Mittani committed an act of unprovoked aggression against this system, I hold that the Dictator would have been confronted with such a formidable array that he would have been deterred from his purpose.

But all these backward speculations belong to history. It is no good using hard words among friends about the past, and reproaching one another for what cannot be recalled. It is the future, not the past, that demands our earnest and anxious thought. We must recognize that the democratic, liberal and peaceful forces have everywhere sustained a defeat which leaves them weaker, morally and physically, to cope with dangers which have vastly grown. But the cause of freedom has in it a recuperative power and virtue which can draw from misfortune new hope and new strength. If ever there was a time when men and women who cherish the ideals of the founders should take earnest counsel with one another, that time is now.

All the universe wishes for prosperity. Have we gained it by the sacrifice of Jita? It has been destroyed and devoured. It is now being digested. The question which is of interest to a lot of ordinary capsuleers, common capsuleers, is whether this destruction of Jita will bring upon the world a blessing or a curse.

Shall we be able to say to ourselves: "Well, that's out of the way, anyhow. Now let's get on with our regular daily life." But are these hopes well founded or are we merely making the best of what we had not the force and virtue to stop? That is the question that the peoples in all their space must ask themselves today. Is this the end, or is there more to come?

To this has been added the cult of war. Children are to be taught in their earliest schooling the delights and profits of conquest and aggression. A whole mighty community has been drawn painfully, by severe privations, into a warlike frame. They are held in this condition by a party organisation, who derive all kinds of profits, good and bad, from the upkeep of the regime. The Goonswarm tolerate no opinion but their own. They feed on hatred. They must seek, from time to time, and always at shorter intervals, a new target, a new prize, a new victim. The Dictator, in all his pride, is held in the grip of his Party machine. He can go forward; he cannot go back. He must blood his hounds and show them sport, or else be devoured by them. All-strong without, he is all-weak within.

No one must, however, underrate the power and efficiency of a totalitarian state. Where the whole population of a great bro pact, amiable capsuleers are gripped by the neck and by the hair by Goonswarm tyranny - for they are the same things spelt in different ways - the rulers for the time being can exercise a power for the purposes of war and external domination before which the ordinary free societies are at a grievous practical disadvantage. We have to recognise this.

The culminating question to which I have been leading is whether the universe should meet this menace by submission or by resistance. Let us see, then, whether the means of resistance remain to us today. We have sustained an immense disaster. Empire lies at this moment abashed and distracted before the triumphant assertions of dictatorial power.

Far away, happily protected by forum anonymity, you, the capsuleers of New Eden are the spectators, and I may add the increasingly involved spectators of these tragedies and crimes. Will you wait until freedom and independence have succumbed, and then take up the cause when it is three-quarters ruined, yourselves alone?

"No."

There, in one single word, is the resolve which the forces of freedom and progress, of tolerance and good will, should take. It is not in the power of one alliance, however formidably armed, still less is it in the power of a small group of men, violent, ruthless men, who have always to cast their eyes back over their shoulders, to cramp and fetter the forward march of human destiny. The preponderant universal forces are upon our side; they have but to be combined to be obeyed. We must arm. Empire must arm. Low-Sec must arm, Null-Sec must arm. If, through an earnest desire for peace, we have placed ourselves at a disadvantage, we must make up for it by redoubled exertions, and, if necessary, by fortitude in suffering.

The people will stand erect, and will face whatever may be coming.

Dictatorship - the fetish worship of one man - is a passing phase. A state of society where men may not speak their minds; such a state of society cannot long endure if brought into contact with the healthy outside world. The light of civilised progress with its tolerances and co-operation, with its dignities and joys, has often in the past been blotted out. But I hold the belief that we have now at last got far enough ahead of barbarism to control it, and to avert it, if only we realise what is afoot and make up our minds in time. We shall do it in the end. But how much harder our toil for every day's delay!

Is this a call to war?

Now perhaps you begin to understand why local and structure mails need to hit the road and never come back. Those systems are all empty because there is no need to patrol them or anything. They can just sit back in one station, thousands of them, and have all the intel they need for five regions deep. Anyone so much as touches anything they own or gets anywhere remotely close they will have an armada of thousands instantly ready to counter them in a matter of a couple minutes.

And yet they ***** about broken mechanics in high sec. LOL!

Without a doubt there will be extra security in place on those days.