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Delnarai	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:35:00 - [1] There are many out there that love PVP. There are also many out there that hate PVP. If the Dev's are listening, I would ask again to make EVE a PVP choice game. Those that mine and create stuff and only want to fend off game created pirates already have the weapons to do so in all levels of space. Those that want to gate camp, PVP of go all out warring on each other will be able to continue to do so on other PVP players in all levels of space. All current and former/vacationing players should receive a one time non reversible choice to be PVP or not PVP. Any new character created must make the irreversible choice of PVP or NO PVP when created. Can tippers still get whacked! Any Non PVP Player that fires upon any players becomes PVP for ten hours EVE time (a costly mistake) and/or sanctioned by concord. NOW ANY PLAYER CAN ENJOY ALL ASPECTS OF EVE!
Ginako Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:38:00 - [2] /me sets up his little kiosk of Torches and Pitchforks... Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal BAH! - Me
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:39:00 - [3] Stop trying to change the game we all (most of us) like I'm a carebear, proud of it, but I'd quit if any of your 'idea's' made it to the cluster. Ps: wrong forum. Ps: 2; mini wall of text, learn to write. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:46:00 - [4] I had a thought today: "what if CCP was run by a pack of jerboas?" I think it would go something like this: "Hey guys let's make Eve a risk-optional game."
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I had a thought today: "what if CCP was run by a pack of jerboas?" Ohh, I like desert rats. :) Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:53:00 - [6] You only need to know how to avoid combat if you don't like it. Enough tactics for that. If you can't even manage that, you are playing the wrong game. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Delnarai	Posted - 2009.04.10 18:58:00 - [7] Wow! Look at all the rude discourteous players crawling out from under their ASS teroids. Sure makes people feel great about posting a suggestion to the dev's. But I wonder? which part of "to the dev's" did you rude people not understand? or do you feel you have to trash anything anyone says on a forum. I think an age limit is not enough to weed out people like you, Maybe an IQ minimum should be set so the rest of us do not have to read the rude stupid things that just seem to pour out of your mouthes. Please try to grow up and let the dev's read what a paying players would like to see on the game.
Crash Burn	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Delnarai Wow! Look at all the rude discourteous players crawling out from under their ASS teroids. Sure makes people feel great about posting a suggestion to the dev's. But I wonder? which part of "to the dev's" did you rude people not understand? or do you feel you have to trash anything anyone says on a forum. I think an age limit is not enough to weed out people like you, Maybe an IQ minimum should be set so the rest of us do not have to read the rude stupid things that just seem to pour out of your mouthes. Please try to grow up and let the dev's read what a paying players would like to see on the game. The same can be said about you being discourteous yu have posted your idea on a forum which then allows others to comment on it. As for your idea it would ruin eve, this game was made to be a nasty place where things dont always go the way you want them to. If you don't like it don't play
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:08:00 - [9] Blatant troll... try harder.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:35:00 - [10] EVE already is a pvp choice game for the most part. Generally in EVE, if you are in danger, you put yourself in that situation through your own actions. The number of times i've seen people refuse to scout then jump into a huge fleet and accuse people of ganking, it's not even funny. There are plenty of ways to avoid pvp. ---- Me - Plim Character. You - Non-Plim Character.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:41:00 - [11] 1. What possession of the dev's are you adressing, and why would you think it would listen (since you're using "dev's" rather than "devs")? 2. Why would you want to remove PvP from a PvP game — isn't that like wanting to play Counterstrike but without the knifing and shooting? 3. If you don't want other players to chime in, don't use the forums. 4. You choose to PvP by clicking the "Undock" button. Welcome to EVE. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Ginako /me sets up his little kiosk of Torches and Pitchforks... Hmmm how much for a full rack of torches and a faction pitchfork?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Delnarai Wow! Look at all the rude discourteous players crawling out from under their ASS teroids. Sure makes people feel great about posting a suggestion to the dev's. But I wonder? which part of "to the dev's" did you rude people not understand? or do you feel you have to trash anything anyone says on a forum. I think an age limit is not enough to weed out people like you, Maybe an IQ minimum should be set so the rest of us do not have to read the rude stupid things that just seem to pour out of your mouthes. Please try to grow up and let the dev's read what a paying players would like to see on the game. I would like the option to buy your stuff at the base mineral price listed in the database. I think your "price griefing" should be optional as I don't like paying you your so-called "profit". Players should only be allowed to charge what they like in 0.0, which is for PvP. In empire, only the recommended base price should be legal. I propose this change not to benefit myself but to prevent the 99.9994657657% loss rate of new players, which is primarily caused by "price griefers" massively overcharging them so that they can never ever compete.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I had a thought today: "what if CCP was run by a pack of jerboas?" I think it would go something like this: "Hey guys let's make Eve a risk-optional game." Jerboas are soooo cute! ALL HAIL OUR NEW JERBOA OVERLORDS! TEN THOUSAND YEARS! TEN THOUSAND HOPS!
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.04.10 19:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Delnarai There are many out there that love PVP. There are also many out there that hate PVP. If the Dev's are listening, I would ask again to make EVE a PVP choice game. Those that mine and create stuff and only want to fend off game created pirates already have the weapons to do so in all levels of space. Those that want to gate camp, PVP of go all out warring on each other will be able to continue to do so on other PVP players in all levels of space. All current and former/vacationing players should receive a one time non reversible choice to be PVP or not PVP. Any new character created must make the irreversible choice of PVP or NO PVP when created. Can tippers still get whacked! Any Non PVP Player that fires upon any players becomes PVP for ten hours EVE time (a costly mistake) and/or sanctioned by concord. NOW ANY PLAYER CAN ENJOY ALL ASPECTS OF EVE! I quite agree with your post if you choose non pvp of course then you wont be allowed to use the market go mining use poses or basically do anything in the game except fly your noob ship if you choose pvp of course you get access to everything.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:10:00 - [16] I'll just pull that good old post I liked so much then long time ago because I've barely witnessed a better piece of sarcasm on this subject. Originally by: Bonhomme Carnaval An open letter to some random farm out there. Dear farmer, I just bought some carrots that came from your farm and found out I don't like carrots. I know you want to have a carrots farm but can you stop growing carrots and start growing potatoes? I know almost every other farm out there grows potatoes and if you didn't grow carrots, people who like them wouldn't have any but I don't want to go to those potato farms for my potatoes. Thanks. Concerned potato-eater. if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Delnarai Wow! Look at all the rude discourteous players crawling out from under their ASS teroids. Sure makes people feel great about posting a suggestion to the dev's. But I wonder? which part of "to the dev's" did you rude people not understand? or do you feel you have to trash anything anyone says on a forum. I think an age limit is not enough to weed out people like you, Maybe an IQ minimum should be set so the rest of us do not have to read the rude stupid things that just seem to pour out of your mouthes. Please try to grow up and let the dev's read what a paying players would like to see on the game. I bet you have written this response at the same time as you did the OP and just saved it to puke it into the thread sometime later. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Amber Coldheart Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:19:00 - [18] Now... i am a carebear, in 3 years i've never fired a shot at another player (ok, thats a lie, i've helped take down a Macroer three times, thats it though).. i dont PvP, i am risk averse to the point of lunacy, i dont go into low sec EVER, etc etc. And your suggestion is...not a very good one :)
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Amber Coldheart Now... i am a carebear, in 3 years i've never fired a shot at another player (ok, thats a lie, i've helped take down a Macroer three times, thats it though).. i dont PvP, i am risk averse to the point of lunacy, i dont go into low sec EVER, etc etc. And your suggestion is...not a very good one :) I agree, though I have killed quite a few people. But it was a long time ago. And they were all bad. I swear. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:32:00 - [20] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I'll just pull that good old post I liked so much then long time ago because I've barely witnessed a better piece of sarcasm on this subject. Originally by: Bonhomme Carnaval An open letter to some random farm out there. Dear farmer, I just bought some carrots that came from your farm and found out I don't like carrots. I know you want to have a carrots farm but can you stop growing carrots and start growing potatoes? I know almost every other farm out there grows potatoes and if you didn't grow carrots, people who like them wouldn't have any but I don't want to go to those potato farms for my potatoes. Thanks. Concerned potato-eater. A classic of the genre!
Amber Coldheart Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Wet Ferret I agree, though I have killed quite a few people. But it was a long time ago. And they were all bad. I swear. hehehe :D
Hariya	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:40:00 - [22] The very idea of war is to not be consentual. Take that away, and the game dies.
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2009.04.10 20:50:00 - [23] Geez, Lady, don't you realize what a pain this would be to all the bi-polar players? They have to wrestle with their conscience every time they undock, unsure as to whether their manic or depressive side will win out and thus dictate what they do. Now you want them to committ to a single course of action? Eve is for players to do what they want, when they want, and to who they want, providing they can make up their minds before downtime. Heck, sometimes it takes me 30-45 minutes to stop looking at all the pretty stars and stuff going in and out of the jump gate before I remember what I warped to that gate for. This is supposed to be a game, for crissakes, not a job at Brooklyn NYPD precinct. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.10 21:09:00 - [24] A tip to the Op: If you want to address something to the devs, there are ways to do so. They are called mail, e-mail, and petition system (though some would argue the petition system is slightly misused if used like this, but not I). If you want to address a subject to the community, you would use the forum. Why? Because of what a forum IS, by definition, and what they are intended for. I can post a topic that says 'To Delnarai', but who's to blame if that thread turns into a spam fest or goes off topic? Nobody, except me. If you use the wrong medium, it's not the other posters fault for calling you on it. It's yours, either through ignorance or stupidity ... your pick. On the topic of 'voluntary pvp' ... why? What would this game be then? See, we're talking about a matter of perspective. If by chance you only define EvE as 'a space game', then I can understand what you feel like. But for MANY players, including myself, EvE is not just a space game. EvE is the most realistic, single-shard universe science fiction simulator on the market. To ME, that's why I play. So, by my own view, if you were to make pvp optional, it would be as stupid as adding dwarves as the next race. Doesn't make sense to you? Because you obviously don't value EvE for what it is. You want it to be something very different. You'll hear suggestions from other players which might upset you. If someone suggests that you 'play another game', don't take it so hard. Many of us are not telling you that we don't like you or want you here. What we ARE telling you, however, is OBVIOUSLY EvE is not the game you really want to play. Instead of massively changing this game, please, find another which better suits you. It's selfishness, really. You think you want to play EvE, but you don't want to play EvE. You want to play something that kinda, sorta, maybe resembles EvE. You also don't care about those who love and enjoy the game as it currently is. A subscriber base that has continued to grow over the last six years. You want to change the game, so that YOU can play the something kinda, sorta, maybe like EvE, without actually having to play EvE. The harsh reality of EvE ... combat anywhere, vicious player interactions, that sort of thing? THAT IS EVE! That is what makes EvE unique. That is what will keep EvE afloat in the future, when other sci-fi games come on the market and take all those wishy-washy players who didn't really want to play EvE in the first place. Salute to you on finding a game that you want to play ... not a game that you want to change drastically so that you can enjoy it. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.10 21:11:00 - [25] eve is optional pvp. if you undock you agree to pvp. --
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.10 21:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Delnarai Wow! Look at all the rude discourteous players crawling out from under their ASS teroids. Sure makes people feel great about posting a suggestion to the dev's. But I wonder? which part of "to the dev's" did you rude people not understand? or do you feel you have to trash anything anyone says on a forum. I think an age limit is not enough to weed out people like you, Maybe an IQ minimum should be set so the rest of us do not have to read the rude stupid things that just seem to pour out of your mouthes. Please try to grow up and let the dev's read what a paying players would like to see on the game. Maybe your new here. You obviously didn't think about what the consequences of what your asking for would be, before you made your ideas public. Just to get your mind moving in the right direction, who would buy all the things that the people that didn't want to fight were making? Honestly, not the made up dream land answer you've got roving round in that tiny little brain of yours, but the real honest answer?
Graelyn Amarr Order of Catharsis	Posted - 2009.04.10 21:54:00 - [27] Edited by: Graelyn on 10/04/2009 21:54:57 EVERYONE VS EVERYONE EvE Get used to it. People here treat your opinion as inconsequential, because it has been shown very quickly to be just that. Grandmaster, [OCATH] War Monastery and Brewery
Trucker Mike	Posted - 2009.04.10 22:08:00 - [28] ITT: people getting trolled
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.10 22:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Trucker Mike ITT: people getting trolled Also: Jerboas!
Alex Terman Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.04.10 22:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Delnarai There are many out there that love PVP. There are also many out there that hate PVP. If the Dev's are listening, I would ask again to make EVE a PVP choice game. Those that mine and create stuff and only want to fend off game created pirates already have the weapons to do so in all levels of space. Those that want to gate camp, PVP of go all out warring on each other will be able to continue to do so on other PVP players in all levels of space. All current and former/vacationing players should receive a one time non reversible choice to be PVP or not PVP. Any new character created must make the irreversible choice of PVP or NO PVP when created. Can tippers still get whacked! Any Non PVP Player that fires upon any players becomes PVP for ten hours EVE time (a costly mistake) and/or sanctioned by concord. NOW ANY PLAYER CAN ENJOY ALL ASPECTS OF EVE! What's the climate like on your planet? </flamebait>
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.10 23:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Tippia 1. What possession of the dev's are you adressing, and why would you think it would listen (since you're using "dev's" rather than "devs")? 2. Why would you want to remove PvP from a PvP game ù isn't that like wanting to play Counterstrike but without the knifing and shooting? 3. If you don't want other players to chime in, don't use the forums. 4. You choose to PvP by clicking the "Undock" button. Welcome to EVE. You sir, are a **** of the highest order UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.04.10 23:43:00 - [32] Sorry but eve is like driving down grand theft auto city and shooting everyone you drive by, some of them may shot back others may run and the cops could definetly mess you up there. Unfourtunatly you sound like one of those people that got his car jacked and ran over. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 6Apr09
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.10 23:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Nova Fox Sorry but eve is like driving down grand theft auto city and shooting everyone you drive by, some of them may shot back others may run and the cops could definetly mess you up there. Unfourtunatly you sound like one of those people that got his car jacked and ran over. no its not.. its just not like that at all UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Bremall	Posted - 2009.04.11 00:09:00 - [34] Watch out for a scam thats going around.A corp named Fabres Astarum invites you to join but as they are helping you they have to drop something to make room and ask you to pick it up. Then they shot your ship up and steal everything. 1 guys name is Wylis. He acts like he wants to help you and he hangs out in the rookie room to help new players just to messs them over for fun. It is people like this that make people quit the game.
Holder Jaeger	Posted - 2009.04.11 00:21:00 - [35] **** you
Apoctasy The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.04.11 00:54:00 - [36] 0/10 troll
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.11 11:24:00 - [37] Got the message yet? Originally by: Bremall Watch out for a scam thats going around.A corp named Fabres Astarum invites you to join but as they are helping you they have to drop something to make room and ask you to pick it up. Then they shot your ship up and steal everything. 1 guys name is Wylis. He acts like he wants to help you and he hangs out in the rookie room to help new players just to messs them over for fun. It is people like this that make people quit the game. Good. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.11 11:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Bremall Watch out for a scam thats going around.A corp named Fabres Astarum invites you to join but as they are helping you they have to drop something to make room and ask you to pick it up. Then they shot your ship up and steal everything. 1 guys name is Wylis. He acts like he wants to help you and he hangs out in the rookie room to help new players just to messs them over for fun. It is people like this that make people quit the game. I think you are lying, because ina corp your corpies can shoot to at any time without getting a sec hit and without being ganked by po po. UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2009.04.11 11:35:00 - [39] Even those that hate PVP love things to grumble about - like the day they were caught out in low sec without an escort. To make the game into two streams of players would destroy the unity and internal consistency of EVE - and that is what makes it so worthwhile to many people. The idea that this is what space really could be like (given some tinkering with the laws of physics ), not just something filled with obvious GM interventions, is what makes the difference between game immersion and just isk collecting. Or in the case of Jita, suspension of the laws of economics.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.04.11 11:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Delnarai There are many out there that love PVP. There are also many out there that hate PVP. If the Dev's are listening, I would ask again to make EVE a PVP choice game. Those that mine and create stuff and only want to fend off game created pirates already have the weapons to do so in all levels of space. Those that want to gate camp, PVP of go all out warring on each other will be able to continue to do so on other PVP players in all levels of space. All current and former/vacationing players should receive a one time non reversible choice to be PVP or not PVP. Any new character created must make the irreversible choice of PVP or NO PVP when created. Can tippers still get whacked! Any Non PVP Player that fires upon any players becomes PVP for ten hours EVE time (a costly mistake) and/or sanctioned by concord. NOW ANY PLAYER CAN ENJOY ALL ASPECTS OF EVE! I like this idea. The only thing I would change though is if you pick to not do PvP then you are instantly banned from playing and your credit card is billed for $500. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
E Vile	Posted - 2009.04.11 11:50:00 - [41] Edited by: E Vile on 11/04/2009 11:53:37 Originally by: Delnarai There are many out there that love PVP. There are also many out there that hate PVP. If the Dev's are listening, I would ask again to make EVE a PVP choice game. Those that mine and create stuff and only want to fend off game created pirates already have the weapons to do so in all levels of space. Those that want to gate camp, PVP of go all out warring on each other will be able to continue to do so on other PVP players in all levels of space. All current and former/vacationing players should receive a one time non reversible choice to be PVP or not PVP. Any new character created must make the irreversible choice of PVP or NO PVP when created. Can tippers still get whacked! Any Non PVP Player that fires upon any players becomes PVP for ten hours EVE time (a costly mistake) and/or sanctioned by concord. NOW ANY PLAYER CAN ENJOY ALL ASPECTS OF EVE! WoW might be a better game for you. As for your idea, you have no idea how much this would be exploited. The ONLY way to make EVE PVE is to make a whole other EVE universe. A PVE server, and that's NOT going to happen, so....if EVE's PVP isn't for you, STAY IN HIGH SEC or switch to Hello Kitty Online.
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.04.11 11:53:00 - [42] eve is fine :D pvp is noneconsentual as it should be! This is a signature not related to EVE
Reyold Bengali Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:05:00 - [43] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon A tip to the Op: If you want to address something to the devs, there are ways to do so. They are called mail, e-mail, and petition system (though some would argue the petition system is slightly misused if used like this, but not I). If you want to address a subject to the community, you would use the forum. Why? Because of what a forum IS, by definition, and what they are intended for. I can post a topic that says 'To Delnarai', but who's to blame if that thread turns into a spam fest or goes off topic? Nobody, except me. If you use the wrong medium, it's not the other posters fault for calling you on it. It's yours, either through ignorance or stupidity ... your pick. On the topic of 'voluntary pvp' ... why? What would this game be then? See, we're talking about a matter of perspective. If by chance you only define EvE as 'a space game', then I can understand what you feel like. But for MANY players, including myself, EvE is not just a space game. EvE is the most realistic, single-shard universe science fiction simulator on the market. To ME, that's why I play. So, by my own view, if you were to make pvp optional, it would be as stupid as adding dwarves as the next race. Doesn't make sense to you? Because you obviously don't value EvE for what it is. You want it to be something very different. You'll hear suggestions from other players which might upset you. If someone suggests that you 'play another game', don't take it so hard. Many of us are not telling you that we don't like you or want you here. What we ARE telling you, however, is OBVIOUSLY EvE is not the game you really want to play. Instead of massively changing this game, please, find another which better suits you. It's selfishness, really. You think you want to play EvE, but you don't want to play EvE. You want to play something that kinda, sorta, maybe resembles EvE. You also don't care about those who love and enjoy the game as it currently is. A subscriber base that has continued to grow over the last six years. You want to change the game, so that YOU can play the something kinda, sorta, maybe like EvE, without actually having to play EvE. The harsh reality of EvE ... combat anywhere, vicious player interactions, that sort of thing? THAT IS EVE! That is what makes EvE unique. That is what will keep EvE afloat in the future, when other sci-fi games come on the market and take all those wishy-washy players who didn't really want to play EvE in the first place. Salute to you on finding a game that you want to play ... not a game that you want to change drastically so that you can enjoy it. I could not have said it half as well as this. ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Reyold Bengali Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon A tip to the Op: If you want to address something to the devs, there are ways to do so. They are called mail, e-mail, and petition system (though some would argue the petition system is slightly misused if used like this, but not I). If you want to address a subject to the community, you would use the forum. Why? Because of what a forum IS, by definition, and what they are intended for. I can post a topic that says 'To Delnarai', but who's to blame if that thread turns into a spam fest or goes off topic? Nobody, except me. If you use the wrong medium, it's not the other posters fault for calling you on it. It's yours, either through ignorance or stupidity ... your pick. On the topic of 'voluntary pvp' ... why? What would this game be then? See, we're talking about a matter of perspective. If by chance you only define EvE as 'a space game', then I can understand what you feel like. But for MANY players, including myself, EvE is not just a space game. EvE is the most realistic, single-shard universe science fiction simulator on the market. To ME, that's why I play. So, by my own view, if you were to make pvp optional, it would be as stupid as adding dwarves as the next race. Doesn't make sense to you? Because you obviously don't value EvE for what it is. You want it to be something very different. You'll hear suggestions from other players which might upset you. If someone suggests that you 'play another game', don't take it so hard. Many of us are not telling you that we don't like you or want you here. What we ARE telling you, however, is OBVIOUSLY EvE is not the game you really want to play. Instead of massively changing this game, please, find another which better suits you. It's selfishness, really. You think you want to play EvE, but you don't want to play EvE. You want to play something that kinda, sorta, maybe resembles EvE. You also don't care about those who love and enjoy the game as it currently is. A subscriber base that has continued to grow over the last six years. You want to change the game, so that YOU can play the something kinda, sorta, maybe like EvE, without actually having to play EvE. The harsh reality of EvE ... combat anywhere, vicious player interactions, that sort of thing? THAT IS EVE! That is what makes EvE unique. That is what will keep EvE afloat in the future, when other sci-fi games come on the market and take all those wishy-washy players who didn't really want to play EvE in the first place. Salute to you on finding a game that you want to play ... not a game that you want to change drastically so that you can enjoy it. I could not have said it half as well as this. PVP is optional, are we playing the same game? UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Reyold Bengali Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:23:00 - [45] Originally by: WonkySplitDemon Originally by: Reyold Bengali Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon A tip to the Op: If you want to address something to the devs, there are ways to do so. They are called mail, e-mail, and petition system (though some would argue the petition system is slightly misused if used like this, but not I). If you want to address a subject to the community, you would use the forum. Why? Because of what a forum IS, by definition, and what they are intended for. I can post a topic that says 'To Delnarai', but who's to blame if that thread turns into a spam fest or goes off topic? Nobody, except me. If you use the wrong medium, it's not the other posters fault for calling you on it. It's yours, either through ignorance or stupidity ... your pick. On the topic of 'voluntary pvp' ... why? What would this game be then? See, we're talking about a matter of perspective. If by chance you only define EvE as 'a space game', then I can understand what you feel like. But for MANY players, including myself, EvE is not just a space game. EvE is the most realistic, single-shard universe science fiction simulator on the market. To ME, that's why I play. So, by my own view, if you were to make pvp optional, it would be as stupid as adding dwarves as the next race. Doesn't make sense to you? Because you obviously don't value EvE for what it is. You want it to be something very different. You'll hear suggestions from other players which might upset you. If someone suggests that you 'play another game', don't take it so hard. Many of us are not telling you that we don't like you or want you here. What we ARE telling you, however, is OBVIOUSLY EvE is not the game you really want to play. Instead of massively changing this game, please, find another which better suits you. It's selfishness, really. You think you want to play EvE, but you don't want to play EvE. You want to play something that kinda, sorta, maybe resembles EvE. You also don't care about those who love and enjoy the game as it currently is. A subscriber base that has continued to grow over the last six years. You want to change the game, so that YOU can play the something kinda, sorta, maybe like EvE, without actually having to play EvE. The harsh reality of EvE ... combat anywhere, vicious player interactions, that sort of thing? THAT IS EVE! That is what makes EvE unique. That is what will keep EvE afloat in the future, when other sci-fi games come on the market and take all those wishy-washy players who didn't really want to play EvE in the first place. Salute to you on finding a game that you want to play ... not a game that you want to change drastically so that you can enjoy it. I could not have said it half as well as this. PVP is optional, are we playing the same game? I was actually agreeing with Ruze's explanation to the OP as to why their reasons for wanting to change the game are bad. On another note, PvP is optional. Oddly enough, the "Consent" and "Undock" features are both tied to the same button. ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:27:00 - [46] I have yet to see non-consenual pvp in highsec space... all pvp in empire has some form of consent whether it is taking the bait from a canflipper or actually arranging to 1 on 1 with somebody.. disagree with me on that one and i will fight you... UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:29:00 - [47] Originally by: WonkySplitDemon I have yet to see non-consenual pvp in highsec space... all pvp in empire has some form of consent whether it is taking the bait from a canflipper or actually arranging to 1 on 1 with somebody.. disagree with me on that one and i will fight you... I take it you don't do anything worthy of getting war declared on you then. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: WonkySplitDemon I have yet to see non-consenual pvp in highsec space... all pvp in empire has some form of consent whether it is taking the bait from a canflipper or actually arranging to 1 on 1 with somebody.. disagree with me on that one and i will fight you... I take it you don't do anything worthy of getting war declared on you then. No although that is my ultimate goal. any tips? UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:33:00 - [49] Originally by: WonkySplitDemon Originally by: Schalac Originally by: WonkySplitDemon I have yet to see non-consenual pvp in highsec space... all pvp in empire has some form of consent whether it is taking the bait from a canflipper or actually arranging to 1 on 1 with somebody.. disagree with me on that one and i will fight you... I take it you don't do anything worthy of getting war declared on you then. No although that is my ultimate goal. any tips? Well I just disagreed with you so are you going to fight me now? SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: WonkySplitDemon Originally by: Schalac Originally by: WonkySplitDemon I have yet to see non-consenual pvp in highsec space... all pvp in empire has some form of consent whether it is taking the bait from a canflipper or actually arranging to 1 on 1 with somebody.. disagree with me on that one and i will fight you... I take it you don't do anything worthy of getting war declared on you then. No although that is my ultimate goal. any tips? Well I just disagreed with you so are you going to fight me now? Roger that i have jack johnson and dr kenneth noisewater here and ill sock you in the mouth grandpa! UNSC- United Nations Space Command
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:37:00 - [51] Originally by: WonkySplitDemon Roger that i have jack johnson and dr kenneth noisewater here and ill sock you in the mouth grandpa! Well good luck doing that considering you aren't even online. So I'm going to log and go to bed. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
WonkySplitDemon United Nations Space Command Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.11 12:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: WonkySplitDemon Roger that i have jack johnson and dr kenneth noisewater here and ill sock you in the mouth grandpa! Well good luck doing that considering you aren't even online. So I'm going to log and go to bed. Goodnight scary cyber pirate, tell blackbeard i said hi! UNSC- United Nations Space Command

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