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Xorv
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:25:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys
We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:
Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.
For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.
Comments?
Boost income on Null and Low Sec Incursions if you want, but until there's a real PvP risk in High Sec Incursions you need to nerf them more not less!
High Sec Incursions could be awesome if you removed CONCORD from Incursion systems and gave some means for players to side with the Sansha. It would feel then like a real event, would be dynamic gameplay, and would also justify high rewards. If you're not willing or able to put in the effort to make Incursions live up to their potential the best thing you could do for EVE is to remove them altogether from High Sec.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:32:00 -
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Annunaki soldier wrote:
p.s. To all those people that are thinking low sec vs high sec , have you ever concidered that people actually invest to incursion to spend that money for your pvp ? Would you prefer to stop seeing them at your area , or start seeing them with cheap ships - fits ?
Yes I have considered it, I'm pretty sure just about everyone that has criticized High Sec Incursions has done so as well. What you describe..players PvEing safely to buy shiny stuff to PvP with in a separate zone is Themepark MMO gameplay. It isn't appropriate for game that describes itself as both Sandbox and PvP and I and many others don't want it in this game. All the good farms must be in areas fully susceptible to PvP, anything less than this is going to negatively effect Risk vs Reward balance in EVE and be viewed as a failure on the part of CCP in delivering their game as advertised.
If this means you use cheap ships that's fine, that's your choice. If it means you don't play at all, that's fine to, better to lose a few players than turn EVE into Space WoW.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:07:00 -
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Annunaki soldier wrote:Xorv wrote:
Yes I have considered it, I'm pretty sure just about everyone that has criticized High Sec Incursions has done so as well. What you describe..players PvEing safely to buy shiny stuff to PvP with in a separate zone is Themepark MMO gameplay. It isn't appropriate for game that describes itself as both Sandbox and PvP and I and many others don't want it in this game. All the good farms must be in areas fully susceptible to PvP, anything less than this is going to negatively effect Risk vs Reward balance in EVE and be viewed as a failure on the part of CCP in delivering their game as advertised.
If this means you use cheap ships that's fine, that's your choice. If it means you don't play at all, that's fine to, better to lose a few players than turn EVE into Space WoW.
Where is the wrong about that ? So taking your concideration , everyone on this game should try and have fun of the game like you do ? How about turning this upside down and make the game pve and of course if this mean lose some people that pvp ... Be open minded. It is a game and CCP need to have people paying for it. After is it is a company. Thats why wow have the largest community and money income to blizzard. They try to improve aspects of the game that are either pvp and pve (failgame for me when it comes to content and how things are there but still respect to a company that changed a lot at mmo setting the game as a standar to compare)
Your asking me to be open minded?!? You're the one that has come to a Sandbox MMORPG built around PvP and demanded the game be changed to accommodate Themepark PvE. The gameplay and associated high rewards you're demanding ruins the Risk vs Reward balance and the Sandbox nature of the rest of the game. It's you that's wanting to impose your gameplay on us (players that appreciate Sandbox PvP MMOs), do you not understand that?
I don't know how many times I've had to say this, but EVE copying WoW does not make it WoW, it makes it a WoW clone. WoW clones do not have the numbers that Blizzard does, many fail soon after launch. So, don't even try to pull the WoW gameplay means more subs because it's BS. EVE as space WoW would lose it's core player base that have played for years, and then soon after lose the bulk of it's Themepark PvEers as they got bored and went onto the next shiny thing that offers them PvE raids and duels they can show off the labor of their PvE grinding. Seriously, just no!
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:36:00 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Why not get with the people who pledged loyalty to Sansha in the Live Events (such as myself) and let us participate and get blown up by some incursion people. I am sure that some adding some humans would make things much more interesting, and I don't mind dying, after all There is no death in Nation.
Basically, CCP can get free labour out of us in the form of acting. I mean, free is good right CCP?
Aside from getting nuked suiciding into a goonswarm fleet to stop them from hindering the masters plans.... I have no exp running incursions due to my toons RP stance.
This is the real tragedy of Incursions. When Incursions was first announced it sounded as though it was going to be great RP content and meaningful events tied to the story of EVE, instead it was stale lame PvE Raids sucked right out of EQ/WoW type games.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:57:00 -
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Lets lay out some actual facts:
Fact One: All these pro Incursions posts asking for a reverse of the very modest nerf are about ISK. They are not about community or access to PvE content, as those elements of Incursions are still there if players want them.
Fact Two: High reward PvE in High Sec undervalues PvE in Low sec, Null sec, and Worm Hole space. There's no point in taking risks doing PvE in dangerous space if you can make even remotely the same amount in safer space. This is simple game balance.
Solution: Buff Low and Null Sec Incursion rewards. Remove Incursions from High Security space, this can be done by simply removing them altogether or by removing CONCORD from Incursion systems in High Sec. Likewise nerf level 4 combat missions in High Sec. This will make Incursions in Low and Null worth doing, and maintain risk vs reward balance in EVE. |
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:59:00 -
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Andochas wrote:Incursions are more than "Themepark PvE", they are the path to get solo players invested in the EVE community.
What a load of rubbish.  High Sec Incursions community, if it can be called that at all isn't the "EVE community", It's a foreign community of Themepark PvE raiders like Daftnefarius, joined by others purely for the ISK. That's the real Incursion going on in EVE, it isn't the Sansha it's WoW/EQ type PvE raiders coming to EVE and trying to change the game into Space WoW.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:45:00 -
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CCP this is a message directly to you. Read what these High Sec Incursion players are saying, the gameplay they demand is completely incompatible with a Sandbox MMO built around player conflict, most don't even understand the game they're playing, and sadly likely never will. You cannot cater to this portion of the player base without seriously turning off the rest of us and ruining your own game. Please, do away with high reward low risk PvE once and for all, and tell these people very clearly to adapt to the Sandbox PvP nature of EVE or leave. This is not an issue to sit on the fence, Is EVE really a Sandbox MMO or is it a Themepark MMO with PvE raiding? It cannot happily be both. |
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:17:00 -
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Andochas wrote:Back on #148, Simi Kusoni wrote:
Yes but the game shouldn't be balanced around the newbies, it needs to be balanced around the rich players abusing the system and refusing to leave the protected confines of high sec.
High sec is not intended as the end game, high profit risk free isk faucets are damaging to Eve as a whole. They funnel ISK into the economy, they fail to increase the velocity of money, they fail to create sufficient demand for new ships and quite simply are the primary cause of mudflation.
If Eve had a voluntarily terrible economy, and wasn't driven by war and competition, incursions could have continued the way they were going. Unfortunately the reality is that the way they were going ended in hyper-inflation, stagnation, mudflation and the complete heat death of the Eve universe.
[load of BS].. I have kicked out two of the three legs of your argument.
You don't even understand the argument. No one other than your fellow PvE Raiding Incursion farmers buys into your BS, so don't even bother.
Here's a great blog post by Tippia on the ISK generated by Incursions http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose
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Posted - 2012.05.12 23:38:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:
However the best mmos have pvp AND pve.
Atm eve only really has pvp, pve is what you do to afford pvp, just a few loonies actually have fun doing pve (even high end fleet pve).
Incursions could be the start for ccp to add actual pve content to the game.
So eve would change, not fewer chances to pvp, just more choices of good pve.
Name these "Best MMOs"? Are any of them Sandbox MMOs built around player conflict?
Every Sandbox MMORPG I have ever played has PvP and PvE in the same sphere of gameplay. The idea of having PvE completely isolated from PvP is a Themepark MMO concept. Further more if the rewards of that PvE which is separated from from PvP, can then be used in anyway in the larger PvP environment you have effectively broken a game like EVE. |
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:21:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:Quote:completely isolated from PvP Never said that.
So you would get behind the idea of expanding High Sec Incursions by giving players a way to side with the Sansha and play against those players trying to stop (or rather farm) the Incursion?
You still haven't told us what MMOs you're referring when you said "the best MMOs have PvP AND PvE" Name them! Might help us understand where you're coming from and where you're trying to take us.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 21:39:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:Xorv wrote:
You still haven't told us what MMOs you're referring when you said "the best MMOs have PvP AND PvE" Name them! Might help us understand where you're coming from and where you're trying to take us.
[...] Concerning the points i made in the posts above i was referring to the burning crusade expansion for world of warcraft. I was listing wow among the "best" because of what it was able to do in terms of subscriptions and for what it did right. One of the things it did right was having a balance between pve content and pvp content.
Herr Ronin wrote:
Do i have too?
PVP MMO's
Aion
Rift
WOW
WOT
Thanks, your comments explain much... |
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:50:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:
The guy who multiboxes wormholes claims that the rewards of incursions is too high compared to wormholes, and also claims that CCP shouldn't listen to the people actually running incursions because they're obviously biased.
Are you comparing High Sec Incursions with wormholes? Remove CONCORD from Incursion systems in High Sec and you'll begin to have an argument, otherwise that's just stupid.
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