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Purple Ackie	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Purple Ackie on 12/04/2009 20:13:29 My character was a victem of suicide ganking just a few days ago. I was using a Bestower to transport stuff from Jita to Amarr, and I was scanned down about 1 system before the gank. I lost about 1.5 billion ISK to the gank, which represents about half my efforts in Eve so far. I was about to quit Eve just after this happened, it was pretty sickening, but have changed my mind and would like to ask if there is a way to protect oneself against it. I gave CCP some mouth, because I put all my cargo in password protected Giant Secure Containers, thinking this would be ok. Needless to say I was informed by CCP that they only work in space, so I'm left wondering, what can I do to protect myself from folks that like to gank young traders like myself? Do you need a freighter for the hit points, or a transport ship with a cloak?
Silent Sins Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:08:00 - [2] this guy seems legit ------------------------------ ------------------------------
Purple Ackie	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Silent Sins this guy seems legit Sorry I pressed enter on the title bar and it posted an empty thread. Still new to this.
Ivanna Nuke Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:25:00 - [4] Normally if you pack some cheese, it helps, a device can be useful but a spagetti circular rectangle often helps make the nothingness of this message come across a bit more like the fart of a flea vs the rampage of a thousand T-rex's.
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Ivanna Nuke Normally if you pack some cheese, it helps, a device can be useful but a spagetti circular rectangle often helps make the nothingness of this message come across a bit more like the fart of a flea vs the rampage of a thousand T-rex's. ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
Malarkie	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Purple Ackie Edited by: Purple Ackie on 12/04/2009 20:13:29 My character was a victem of suicide ganking just a few days ago. I was using a Bestower to transport stuff from Jita to Amarr, and I was scanned down about 1 system before the gank. I lost about 1.5 billion ISK to the gank, which represents about half my efforts in Eve so far. I was about to quit Eve just after this happened, it was pretty sickening, but have changed my mind and would like to ask if there is a way to protect oneself against it. I gave CCP some mouth, because I put all my cargo in password protected Giant Secure Containers, thinking this would be ok. Needless to say I was informed by CCP that they only work in space, so I'm left wondering, what can I do to protect myself from folks that like to gank young traders like myself? Do you need a freighter for the hit points, or a transport ship with a cloak? Have you tried anchoring your cans in space...shooting them to 1-2hp...unanchoring them, put your shinies in said can....and hoping that "when" you get ganked...at least the gankers might not get anything..since if they pop the can..everything in it pops too? As for a cloak...umm????? WTZ? A cloak won't help you AP your way through anywhere.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Malarkie Have you tried anchoring your cans in space...shooting them to 1-2hp...unanchoring them, put your shinies in said can....and hoping that "when" you get ganked...at least the gankers might not get anything..since if they pop the can..everything in it pops too? Wtf is that? If you put stuff in GSC, then the game rolls once for the gsc, so either the gsc drops with everything inside or blows up with everything inside, HP has nothing to do with it. CCP released Orcas/Freighters and blockade runners that can use a cov ops cloak to transport high value goods. If you use those transport ships suicide gankers won't be able to scan you, let alone attempt to suicide gank. Of course if you are afk flying then you deserve to get ganked. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Purple Ackie	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Malarkie Have you tried anchoring your cans in space...shooting them to 1-2hp...unanchoring them, put your shinies in said can....and hoping that "when" you get ganked...at least the gankers might not get anything..since if they pop the can..everything in it pops too? Wtf is that? If you put stuff in GSC, then the game rolls once for the gsc, so either the gsc drops with everything inside or blows up with everything inside, HP has nothing to do with it. CCP released Orcas/Freighters and blockade runners that can use a cov ops cloak to transport high value goods. If you use those transport ships suicide gankers won't be able to scan you, let alone attempt to suicide gank. Of course if you are afk flying then you deserve to get ganked. THIS!!! This seems like a decent response. Thanks Vaal. Anyone can add to this please do so....
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:55:00 - [9] I have 2 things to say, and it wont be something like "noob gb2wow" 1: don't transport high-valued stuff in a bestower 2: don't transport very high-valued stuff (like 1.5b worth of stuff) afk anywhere on AP, WTZ is your friend cheers, Faros
Wongdong	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:00:00 - [10] welcome 2 EvE,where the name should be player verses every1. so to you Gl next time,maybe you'll know enuf to get away!!!
Karma97731	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:21:00 - [11] Don't listen to these worthless guys. The next time you decide to transport some high ISKs worth of product you use a 2nd account to first scout out the path you are going to take. After this then it is okay to proceed with using the bestower to transport your goods. I'm surprised you actually came in here and made a thread about this. Don't you know that these people in C&P are nothing more than losers and abused children? They delight in knowing you lost something, and I even BET that now since you've posted a few of these idiots are trying to figure out a way to take more away from you. Don't post again.
Amy Mouse	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Karma97731 Don't listen to these worthless ~~guys.~~ gal.
Cyrdax Provehito In Altum	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:31:00 - [13] hi amy howru --- tv where the horn goes, boy can you top that? recruiting / contracting
Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:35:00 - [14] what kind of ship(s) killed you? what sec was the system?
Bargain Hunt	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:36:00 - [15] x = value of cargo y = value of ships/mods required to gank your ship (keeping in mind insurance) Keep x < y.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:40:00 - [16] I was about to lol at the OP, then I realised it was Purple Aki a living legend amongst Merseyside Nonces. Seriously mate, if you've been playing long enough to acrue 1.5 bil's worth of stuff then you should know better than that.
Purple Ackie	Posted - 2009.04.12 22:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Panzram what kind of ship(s) killed you? what sec was the system? An electronic attack frigate scanned me in 0.5, Narjia, or some system like that, and a Megathron whacked me the next exit gate in 0.9, two systems from Amarr, 1 from Romi. Began with an M.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.12 22:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Purple Aki Well that's a somewhat disturbing blast from the past Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Purple Ackie	Posted - 2009.04.12 22:20:00 - [19] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Purple Aki Well that's a somewhat disturbing blast from the past Heheh, I was schooled at Mosslands on Merseyside in the 90's, the legend of P.A. was ripe, as was the one where you went to upper school and they put a cold spoon under your ballbag, to see if you got a hard-on and were gay or not. Ehhh-heee.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.04.12 22:21:00 - [20] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Purple Aki Well that's a somewhat disturbing blast from the past See also
Sin Fae Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2009.04.13 04:40:00 - [21] You may find ways to protect yourself after reading this thread :Sin Fae's Suicide Gank Someone Day You may even find you need to do nothing more than to adjust how you do things versus beefing up ships, hit points etc. . .
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.13 09:25:00 - [22] Send me 100 million isk and i will hunt down and pod the guy who killed you Oh and one last point; You just lost the game.
Miilla	Posted - 2009.04.13 10:46:00 - [23] If anybody wants to have fun ganking, go to Perimeter on Sunday as Jita entry gate is queued up with a LOT of haulers :) Big isk there to be ganked people :)
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.13 10:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Purple Ackie Heheh, I was schooled at Mosslands on Merseyside in the 90's, the legend of P.A. was ripe, as was the one where you went to upper school and they put a cold spoon under your ballbag, to see if you got a hard-on and were gay or not. Ehhh-heee. Brb, testing. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Skallebank Minmatar Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.04.13 11:27:00 - [25] Don't autopilot with a cargo over 200 m in any ship with low hp. Don't carry all ur stuff in one go . Don't assume you are safe in empire. particularly around trade hubs and between them. Do warp to 0 on gates ect and fit at least one wcs. Fit inertial stabs to get into warp faster. Tbh if you absolutely have to move a bunch of crap at once , follow all the rules and make it 2 or 3 trips instead of one. small loads keeping the isk value down. FREEDOM OF SPEECH, WHATS THAT ?
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.13 11:49:00 - [26] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Purple Ackie Heheh, I was schooled at Mosslands on Merseyside in the 90's, the legend of P.A. was ripe, as was the one where you went to upper school and they put a cold spoon under your ballbag, to see if you got a hard-on and were gay or not. Ehhh-heee. Brb, testing. The results where?!?!
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.13 11:52:00 - [27] Originally by: CrimsonLobo The results where?!?! Probably inconclusive, i could only find a spatula. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.13 11:55:00 - [28] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: CrimsonLobo The results where?!?! Probably inconclusive, i could only find a spatula. Damn =(
Lady Spank Amarr Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2009.04.13 12:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Karma97731 Don't listen to these worthless guys. The next time you decide to transport some high ISKs worth of product you use a 2nd account to first scout out the path you are going to take. After this then it is okay to proceed with using the bestower to transport your goods. I'm surprised you actually came in here and made a thread about this. Don't you know that these people in C&P are nothing more than losers and abused children? They delight in knowing you lost something, and I even BET that now since you've posted a few of these idiots are trying to figure out a way to take more away from you. Don't post again. Pathetic
Fzhal Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.13 14:28:00 - [30] There are some decent tips here. I'll add my own. 1 Throw off the scanners by transporting a bunch of worthless crap. Mix in a few of your expensive stuff. Few scanners are going to bother scrolling through 200+ icons to find the phat loot. In that time they could miss another ship with loot. 2 Use a fast ship. For instance the Punisher is the only frigate that has 4 low slots. So you can use 2 WCS and 2 inertial stabs.
Commander Predator H A V O C Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.04.13 16:52:00 - [31] get a cloakie transport ship and fit a tank...also dont carry 1.5b worth of stuff in a bestower in big trade hubs ya big goof
Belkadan	Posted - 2009.04.13 16:53:00 - [32] Edited by: Belkadan on 13/04/2009 16:53:31 Same rule as piloting ships; Don't transport what you can't afford to lose. People play this game, people can be douches. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I don't know enough about EVE to give you ace tips on avoiding suicide ganks, but I've had enough ships blown up fighting in low sec to know the affordability rule applies to every aspect of EVE.
Master Chaz	Posted - 2009.04.13 17:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Purple Ackie Originally by: Panzram what kind of ship(s) killed you? what sec was the system? An electronic attack frigate scanned me in 0.5, Narjia, or some system like that, and a Megathron whacked me the next exit gate in 0.9, two systems from Amarr, 1 from Romi. Began with an M. i know the individuls of whom you speak i live there they are poor pirates at best , and no they do not scan ships they usally attack noobs and shuttles . funny thing is they get concorded at least 4 times a week. what we did to them is put a minning barge on auto and then just wack them both when the attack it. then they go to station for a couple of days . the rinse repeat. they can also be found at station baiting noobs with cans ... not really what any here would call pirates . one even claimed to be cranberry muffinman.......hehe a pimple on his arse maybe......regards chaz
Covenn Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.04.13 23:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Skallebank Don't autopilot with a cargo over 200 m in any ship with low hp. Don't carry all ur stuff in one go . Don't assume you are safe in empire. particularly around trade hubs and between them. Do warp to 0 on gates ect and fit at least one wcs. Fit inertial stabs to get into warp faster. Tbh if you absolutely have to move a bunch of crap at once , follow all the rules and make it 2 or 3 trips instead of one. small loads keeping the isk value down. Skall.... you shut your mouth right now You're taking isk out of our wallets with these helpful tips.
TheGunslinger42	Posted - 2009.04.14 01:10:00 - [35] Don't AFK autopilot when carrying valuable stuff. If possible keep the value of the stuff you're carrying under the price required to gank it The end.
Skallebank Minmatar Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.04.14 07:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Covenn Originally by: Skallebank Don't autopilot with a cargo over 200 m in any ship with low hp. Don't carry all ur stuff in one go . Don't assume you are safe in empire. particularly around trade hubs and between them. Do warp to 0 on gates ect and fit at least one wcs. Fit inertial stabs to get into warp faster. Tbh if you absolutely have to move a bunch of crap at once , follow all the rules and make it 2 or 3 trips instead of one. small loads keeping the isk value down. Skall.... you shut your mouth right now You're taking isk out of our wallets with these helpful tips. nah its ok. i like some sport when i hunt. FREEDOM OF SPEECH, WHATS THAT ?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.14 08:59:00 - [37] Originally by: TheGunslinger42 Don't AFK autopilot when carrying valuable stuff. If possible keep the value of the stuff you're carrying under the price required to gank it The end. This. Also blockade runners are the I-Win of moving stuff. Only way you're gonna lose your ship is a large, well organised bubble camp (rare) or cat-vs-keyboard aggro.
Yojovany Megens	Posted - 2009.04.15 13:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Purple Ackie Edited by: Purple Ackie on 12/04/2009 20:13:29 My character was a victem of suicide ganking just a few days ago. I was using a Bestower to transport stuff from Jita to Amarr, and I was scanned down about 1 system before the gank. I lost about 1.5 billion ISK to the gank, which represents about half my efforts in Eve so far. I was about to quit Eve just after this happened, it was pretty sickening, but have changed my mind and would like to ask if there is a way to protect oneself against it. I gave CCP some mouth, because I put all my cargo in password protected Giant Secure Containers, thinking this would be ok. Needless to say I was informed by CCP that they only work in space, so I'm left wondering, what can I do to protect myself from folks that like to gank young traders like myself? Do you need a freighter for the hit points, or a transport ship with a cloak? Use ships that have passive tank and buffer. If i transport BPO's and BPC's for instance, i always use a heavy armored and shielded battle cruiser with some shield rigs on it to get a nice tank. Then i set it on autopilot and go do something else. I have been suicide ganked over 13 times that i witnessed (watching the laptop go on its business on autopilot while i watched movies on TV on the same time), but 0 of them succeeded in killing my ship and taking my cargo. Combinations of 4 cruisers vs me, or 2 battlecruisers vs me or even 2 battleships vs me on the same time. All lost the fight, concord came well in time, they didnÆt even came to 50% armor. So slap plates and shield extenders on it, and donÆt forget to put on some em/thermal/kin rigs on your ship for more resistance and your good. If you have to transport things that use big amounts of cargo space, then use a blockade runner and apply the same principle. Slap some plates and shields on it and get passive hardeners (disadvantage: the blockade runners donÆt have much powergrid). Then just put it on autopilot and go do something else. LOLZ guaranteed if you see the response of those noob suicide gankers in local when they cant crack ur ships passive tank. I even had a noob suicide ganker trying to crack my ship 4 times and he lost 4 domiÆs. The first couple of times he was flaming me for it. On the 4th time he sayd in local chat: ôoh **** its you againö. His name: Ivy sigh (or something like that) <--- LOSERRRRR I noticed this loser didn't even update his killboard with his losses to me. Seems like he can't take his loss (hope you read this Ivy)
Versipellis Caldari ETERNAL LUX	Posted - 2009.04.15 15:00:00 - [39] seeing too many guyz flaming this fella i started wondering, "are there ppl called "natural born eve pilots" or is it still possible to learn something through old fashion way "asking, doing mistakes"" so pls be a little more tolerant.. just an advise.. m8 the beautiful side of eve is it's too much like the real life when it comes to taking risks and "losing".. and not like WoW where only thing you lose is your running time to your corps from graveyard when you're killed.. yes it's sometimes very frustrating but then you should calculate the risk you're taking trying to make ISK.. there are plenty of ways that you can use to lower your risks against pirates.. try searching about anti-pirate tactics and such.. check your route jumpgates for gatecamps, use your map (it works, really) to see the podkills in 1 hour.. don't go afk with valuable materials in your cargohold.. for some more expert kinda tactics learn using instas, bookmarks.. read as much as you can about those tactics and try putting them in action.. but always keep in mind all these precautions can only minimise your risk factor.. there's no place, no ship inwhich you can be %100 safe.. and that's the part that separates eve from other mmorpg.. if you like this fact go on play.. but if you don't try another game.. stay alert, stay alive..have fun on the way..

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