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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:14:00 - [121] Originally by: Spurty How life will be for me with local gone in 0.0 Start off in Empire, run missions all day until op is formed. JC to 0.0 Wait for 100man gang to form, 100 of us undock. Roam, get bored 5 jumps in waiting for system to be scanned and only find 12000 n00b ships which after 30mins, we discover belonged to blues anyway, turn round, dock, spin the ship. alternative pvp Put 200 bubbles around all of the gates to the system JC is in, wait for someone that got bored to jump in, uncloak rapiers and wait for 100 completely bored people to undock and make their way over to pop the scout from another sad sack roaming gang, then dock up again waiting to jump back to high sec. people are too lazy to care about having to scan allday to know whats happening. So your alliance would just turtle up in station systems and ignore everything else?
Liz Laser Three 6 MaFiA Dark Crystal Empire	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:26:00 - [122] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Liz Laser Perhaps he should rename to Hyperbole Eternus. But it's just so much fun to be dramatic and antagonistic and yank your (collective) chains. I'm continually amused that people don't understand (or refuse to accept) that while I'm serious about the message, I'm only half serious about the delivery. I spent six sentences addressing your point and one sentence on the deilvery. So, I must have thought you were only 14% serious about the delivery. ;-) Originally by: Bellum Eternus I know full well what is hyperbole and what isn't. People seem to think the wording is constructed the way it is by accident. The people who can respond without being trolled don't get trolled, and the ones who do, do. Which catagory did you fit into? Hyperbole detracts from any credence people will give to your side of the argument. Since I'm currently not enamored with your suggestion, I'd suggest you continue "trolling". Troll early and troll often.
Liz Laser Three 6 MaFiA Dark Crystal Empire	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:32:00 - [123] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Spurty How life will be for me with local gone in 0.0 Start off in Empire, run missions all day until op is formed. JC to 0.0 Wait for 100man gang to form, 100 of us undock. Roam, get bored 5 jumps in waiting for system to be scanned and only find 12000 n00b ships which after 30mins, we discover belonged to blues anyway, turn round, dock, spin the ship. alternative pvp Put 200 bubbles around all of the gates to the system JC is in, wait for someone that got bored to jump in, uncloak rapiers and wait for 100 completely bored people to undock and make their way over to pop the scout from another sad sack roaming gang, then dock up again waiting to jump back to high sec. people are too lazy to care about having to scan allday to know whats happening. So your alliance would just turtle up in station systems and ignore everything else? I can't speak for his alliance, but I'm sure they wouldn't be the first group to seize a slice of 0.0 just because OTHERS want the resources and they want to fight those OTHERS. PvPers don't salivate over Arkanor and Bistot. They salivate at the prospect of killing people who salivate over Arkanor and Bistot. You can penetrate 0.0 to do it, but you can also seize a slice of 0.0 to do it.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:39:00 - [124] And what of station camping? Are we just supposed to say "Hey, anybody out there?" before we undock? Or send out suicide scouts to feed your(not necessarily your) killboard? I wouldn't do it, as I revel in depriving the enemy of kills of any kind. So unless I had buddies out there watching the outside of the station, I'd just be stuck in there I guess... not cool. Give me a way to see outside of a station, and a list that immediately updates when a new player has entered system and in what ship (doesn't need to say who) and I'd be all for this. Anything to save me from directional scanner spam That's a compromise I could live with But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:42:00 - [125] Originally by: Liz Laser Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Spurty How life will be for me with local gone in 0.0 Start off in Empire, run missions all day until op is formed. JC to 0.0 Wait for 100man gang to form, 100 of us undock. Roam, get bored 5 jumps in waiting for system to be scanned and only find 12000 n00b ships which after 30mins, we discover belonged to blues anyway, turn round, dock, spin the ship. alternative pvp Put 200 bubbles around all of the gates to the system JC is in, wait for someone that got bored to jump in, uncloak rapiers and wait for 100 completely bored people to undock and make their way over to pop the scout from another sad sack roaming gang, then dock up again waiting to jump back to high sec. people are too lazy to care about having to scan allday to know whats happening. So your alliance would just turtle up in station systems and ignore everything else? I can't speak for his alliance, but I'm sure they wouldn't be the first group to seize a slice of 0.0 just because OTHERS want the resources and they want to fight those OTHERS. PvPers don't salivate over Arkanor and Bistot. They salivate at the prospect of killing people who salivate over Arkanor and Bistot. You can penetrate 0.0 to do it, but you can also seize a slice of 0.0 to do it. If they're only defending 1 station then they're not really accomplishing that goal very well... ...not to mention that the new & improved black ops will be rather better at infiltrating gangs into hostile system. Being stationary in a predictable location might be a very bad idea.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:55:00 - [126] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Ghoest Due to the static nature of 0.0 this change would mainly make strategically located gate camps even better than they are now. It would make 0.0 even lamer. WH space is cool because you dont have auto-pilot sending everyone on the same predictable courses. This just in: it's not mandatory to follow thwe autopilot suggested route. Ya but it is mandatory to go though static choke points so the auto routes ate a moot point most of the time. I just have just said "unavoidable" Wherever you went - Here you are.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.15 14:14:00 - [127] Originally by: Ghoest Ya but it is mandatory to go though static choke points [/quote Stop. No it isn't, unless you're going to somewhere in a dead end constellation.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.04.15 14:16:00 - [128] Originally by: Wet Ferret And what of station camping? Are we just supposed to say "Hey, anybody out there?" before we undock? This is a good point and I think along with the change in local there should be a change that allows docked ships to link into the station sensors to see what's going on immediately outside the station. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.04.15 14:20:00 - [129] Originally by: Malcanis Stop. No it isn't, unless you're going to somewhere in a dead end constellation. Umm maybe you arent familer with living in 0.0 Wherever you went - Here you are.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.15 14:27:00 - [130] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Malcanis Stop. No it isn't, unless you're going to somewhere in a dead end constellation. Umm maybe you arent familer with living in 0.0 Um, maybe I am.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.15 15:44:00 - [131] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Kalintos Tyl 0.0 carebears will whine hard about removing of local in 0.0. Hwo they can isnta warp and cloack if someoen shows in suystem without lcoal ?:P Won't somebody PLEASE think of the macro-ratters!!! Already replied to that in the Assembly forum, but I will repeat it here: Macro/sweatshops ratters will be the "players" with less problem with this change. Instead of a cloak they will put in a extended probe launcher (it will gimp the ship a bit, but not much for a pure ratter), put the range at max and click scan (macroing it) constantly. As soon as any new ship appear on the scanner another macro will warp them to a safespot. Easy, safe and no trouble for a macro to spam scan every few seconds. The non cheating players will be those that get distracted, not the macros.
Dr Karsun Gallente Empire News The Security Council	Posted - 2009.04.15 17:39:00 - [132] Well, isn't it as it is supposed to be? You have empire, where you have instant local and instant concord reactions (as a rule), low sec where you have instant local and only sentries, 0.0 where you only have instant local and WH space where you don't have sh**. Isn't it just the way it should be? The more hardcore you get, the deeper the mud you want to play in. Keep it as it is, or people won't have the steady glide towards pro gameplay. You can't make huge jumps in your PERSONAL, real skills. You get them in time, like your character skills. Too big the jump, the less people will want to / be able to do it. ------------------------
Spurty Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.04.15 23:00:00 - [133] if this insanity ever happens, I'll only bother to JC to 0.0 when there is a well planned op happening that has the numbers to do the job. Just be lame death to 400 rifters sitting outside the station otherwise. I don't speak for my alliance, go see a CEO about that :) The negativity is purely directed at the short sighted numb nutts trying to push through what I think would be a great idea if there was an alternative that worked to local being used to get intel. Using a scanner is great if you KNOW there are two of you in local, but it does not scale up. Now explain how to work out if 100 hits are friendly or not, what about 200? 300? Cause 'traveling' from gate to gate in 0.0 is going to become a very rare event. All you will see is people blobbing up cyno systems and end journey systems. If you can't work that much out, then carry on drinking your cool aid ;0 People will adapt to such change, i just described it and got trolled. I don't like living in the 'told you so' club. Originally by: Butter Dog I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month

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