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afflikshoN	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:00:00 - [1] Okay, so what's the best T1, non-faction BS? Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard all of the "there is no best, they each have their ideal niche..." or, "The best is whichever one you can fly the best..." I don't want any cop out answers like these, but if you must subscribe to the beat-around the bush answer, then give me several answers: Best for solo work? Best for EWar? Best for small gang work? Best large fleet-support (tank/dmg dealing)? Best sniper? Best gate camper? Best overall?
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:02:00 - [2] Originally by: afflikshoN Okay, so what's the best T1, non-faction BS? Mine. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
afflikshoN	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:04:00 - [3] Nightmare's are faction silly.
Sydian Rie Minmatar Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:10:00 - [4] I fly Gallente but I'd say the Scorpion is best solo BS all things considered.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:18:00 - [5] Originally by: afflikshoN Okay, so what's the best T1, non-faction BS? Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard all of the "there is no best, they each have their ideal niche..." or, "The best is whichever one you can fly the best..." I don't want any cop out answers like these, but if you must subscribe to the beat-around the bush answer, then give me several answers: Ehh, it's all subjective. As of the current patch, right now... Quote: Best for solo work? Dominix, neuts means you can get out of tight situations, drones aren't very easily countered atm. Quote: Best for EWar? Scorpion, no contest. Quote: Best for small gang work? Maelstrom is good due to it's massive tank, but I'll throw the geddon in there for efficiency. The sheer amount of DPS combined with buffer at a price that's unmatchable. Quote: Best large fleet-support (tank/dmg dealing)? Abaddon. 140k EHP +, 1k+ DPS at great ranges Quote: Best sniper? Apoc Quote: Best gate camper? Toughie. I like the geddon due to it's smaller size than tier 2/tier 3 battleships and high DPS. I haven't flown a pvp raven, but I imagine it would also be very good in this role with torps. Massive damage, good enough tank to deal with sentries. Maelstrom is also good due to tank and ranges concerned. Quote: Best overall? I'm extrememly partial, but geddon. Cost effectiveness, gank and buffer. Everything you want in a ship. It's not versatile, but it does it's role with excellence each time. Dominix gets a vote, along with the raven. Domi for versatility, raven for DPS/EHP. Dear god, it's a monster.
afflikshoN	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:35:00 - [6] Edited by: afflikshoN on 13/04/2009 20:36:14 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: afflikshoN Okay, so what's the best T1, non-faction BS? Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard all of the "there is no best, they each have their ideal niche..." or, "The best is whichever one you can fly the best..." I don't want any cop out answers like these, but if you must subscribe to the beat-around the bush answer, then give me several answers: Ehh, it's all subjective. As of the current patch, right now... Quote: Best for solo work? Dominix, neuts means you can get out of tight situations, drones aren't very easily countered atm. Quote: Best for EWar? Scorpion, no contest. Quote: Best for small gang work? Maelstrom is good due to it's massive tank, but I'll throw the geddon in there for efficiency. The sheer amount of DPS combined with buffer at a price that's unmatchable. Quote: Best large fleet-support (tank/dmg dealing)? Abaddon. 140k EHP +, 1k+ DPS at great ranges Quote: Best sniper? Apoc Quote: Best gate camper? Toughie. I like the geddon due to it's smaller size than tier 2/tier 3 battleships and high DPS. I haven't flown a pvp raven, but I imagine it would also be very good in this role with torps. Massive damage, good enough tank to deal with sentries. Maelstrom is also good due to tank and ranges concerned. Quote: Best overall? I'm extrememly partial, but geddon. Cost effectiveness, gank and buffer. Everything you want in a ship. It's not versatile, but it does it's role with excellence each time. Dominix gets a vote, along with the raven. Domi for versatility, raven for DPS/EHP. Dear god, it's a monster. I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.13 21:55:00 - [7] Originally by: afflikshoN I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations? It's nice, no doubt... but it's also more expensive and much heavier. True, it does have good numbers, but it's sluggish. For a POS bash or a large scale fight, no doubt the abaddon is a great choice... but for smaller, everyday activities I find the geddon gives me enough* buffer and much better agility for my ganky gank damage.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.13 22:06:00 - [8] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/04/2009 22:06:23 The best battleship is the ship that you have most skills in and the ship who are best for your play style. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
afflikshoN	Posted - 2009.04.13 22:19:00 - [9] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/04/2009 22:06:23 The best battleship is the ship that you have most skills in and the ship who are best for your play style. Pretty sure that's the exact answer the OP said was a cop out (albeit true).
MicroWarpdrive II Disorder. Shock Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.13 22:47:00 - [10] Originally by: afflikshoN I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations? Show me an abaddon 1v1 and I will show it my maelstrom.
Sirani	Posted - 2009.04.13 23:22:00 - [11] Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II Originally by: afflikshoN I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations? Show me an abaddon 1v1 and I will show it my maelstrom. you like losing ships? -------------------
MicroWarpdrive II Disorder. Shock Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.13 23:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Sirani Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II Originally by: afflikshoN I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations? Show me an abaddon 1v1 and I will show it my maelstrom. you like losing ships? Maelstrom can tank over 3000 dps with HG crystals. Abaddon with slaves just kind of prolongs its own death during a 1v1 vs maelstrom.
Kuxxabak Amarr Lords Of Kaos Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.04.13 23:56:00 - [13] The best BS us the one who has the best pilot in it. OH YES YOU KNOW IT.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.14 00:04:00 - [14] Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II Edited by: MicroWarpdrive II on 13/04/2009 23:58:04 Originally by: Sirani Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II Originally by: afflikshoN I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations? Show me an abaddon 1v1 and I will show it my maelstrom. you like losing ships? Maelstrom can tank over 3000 dps with HG crystals. Abaddon with slaves just kind of prolongs its own death during a 1v1 vs maelstrom. EDIT: Oh and Abaddon Kill 1 and here: Abaddon Kill 2 and here: Abaddon Kill 3 I hate to say it, but those arent exactly great fits for an abby.... Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.04.14 00:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Mysteriax on 14/04/2009 00:20:58 Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II Edited by: MicroWarpdrive II on 13/04/2009 23:58:04 Originally by: Sirani Originally by: MicroWarpdrive II Originally by: afflikshoN I'm surprised the Abaddon didn't get more love. A lot of people knock it for its lack of cap, but you can get that beast passively tanked to around 250k EHP with a low-grade slave set (See Battleclinic: "250,000 HP Alpha Abaddon"). With its fine dps and solid range, is that not a win button in most 1v1 situations? Show me an abaddon 1v1 and I will show it my maelstrom. you like losing ships? Maelstrom can tank over 3000 dps with HG crystals. Abaddon with slaves just kind of prolongs its own death during a 1v1 vs maelstrom. EDIT: Oh and Abaddon Kill 1 and here: Abaddon Kill 2 and here: Abaddon Kill 3 I'll beat your maelstrom with any battleship, why?? YOU USE AN ACTIVE TANK NEUTS KILL YOU. Once your active tank is neuted you die very quickly. If you think people dont fly mich with neuts better watch out when a domi or typhoon comes your way. Maelstrom = Bad DPS, Good active tank so-so passive tank. With neuts in the game the active tank just doesnt work well even with cap boosters. Maybe if you run dual 800 you can get some cycles off but that nerfs your tank. Also why the hell use HG crystals for PvP. 1 gang who has neuts destroy your investment in an instant.
Peckles Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.14 04:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Peckles on 14/04/2009 04:39:04 Originally by: Mysteriax I'll beat your maelstrom with any battleship, why?? YOU USE AN ACTIVE TANK NEUTS KILL YOU. Once your active tank is neuted you die very quickly. If you think people dont fly mich with neuts better watch out when a domi or typhoon comes your way. Maelstrom = Bad DPS, Good active tank so-so passive tank. With neuts in the game the active tank just doesnt work well even with cap boosters. Maybe if you run dual 800 you can get some cycles off but that nerfs your tank. Also why the hell use HG crystals for PvP. 1 gang who has neuts destroy your investment in an instant. You aren't very smart are you? First, he specifically said that the fight was a Maelstrom vs Abaddon. Not many Abaddon pilots drop their 8th Turret for a Nuet to further eat away at there already strained cap. Second, Since when did losing your ship mean that you lose the implants in your pod? Just because you are too incompetant to warp away from your ship when you die doesn't mean that the rest of the eve community is. HG Crystals basically make an active shield tank god. In most 1 v 1 situations, active is better than buffer. MWDII never said his Maelstrom was the end all be all of solo-pvp, he merely stated that it could kill an Abaddon. Try reading at least some of the thread next time.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.04.14 04:56:00 - [17] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 14/04/2009 04:58:50 Originally by: afflikshoN Best for solo work? Neut Dominix. Quote: Best for EWar? Err, Scorpion? There is only one ship in this category... Quote: Best for small gang work? Pulse Armageddon or Abaddon, if you have the ISK. Quote: Best large fleet-support (tank/dmg dealing)? Sniper Rokh. Quote: Best sniper? Sniper Rokh. Quote: Best gate camper? Pulse Armageddon with remote reps. Sniper Rokh for long-range camps. Quote: Best overall? Armageddon or Rokh. If you want to allow faction, add the Machariel to best solo, Nightmare and CNR to best gang. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Traderboz	Posted - 2009.04.14 05:01:00 - [18] Thing is, 1v1 BS fights happen so rarely on TQ that it's hardly worth talking about. I guess you can login SiSi and get some 1v1's for epeen strokage (hi NMX! ) but they're so rare that it's hardly worth mentioning when discussing how good a ship is overall. So I guess to "Maelstrom can tank over 3000 dps with HG crystals. Abaddon with slaves just kind of prolongs its own death during a 1v1 vs maelstrom.", the proper response would be "Who cares about your mythical BS 1v1's?" Quote: First, he specifically said that the fight was a Maelstrom vs Abaddon. Not many Abaddon pilots drop their 8th Turret for a Nuet to further eat away at there already strained cap. Again, who cares about made up 1v1's? His point was that such a Maelstrom is highly vulnerable to neut's. Unless you stage your little 1v1, you can't predict what you will encounter, and it's not like neut's are rare these days. Sure, Abaddon's don't fit neuts often, but you also can't guarantee you will fight an Abaddon 1v1 when you undock. TL;DR Maelstrom can fit a very nice active tank and can work well for small gang stuff, but all this "Mael owns Abaddon 1v1" is pointless, since any BS comparison in 1v1 is best left to SiSi foolery.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.04.14 05:02:00 - [19] Edited by: Haradgrim on 14/04/2009 05:06:21 Best for solo work: Geddon or Tempest or Domi Best for EWar: duh! Scorp! Best for small gang work: Abbadon Best large fleet-support: Raven (for anti-support), Abbadon (for all out slugging power) Best sniper: Apoc (Rokh very close 2nd) Best gate camper: Abbadon Best overall: Apoc edit: obviously not including faction -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Angelos Gateway Industries	Posted - 2009.04.14 05:35:00 - [20] Kronos. It can tank, it can gank, it can do anything. Plus it uses the hull of the #1 BS of all time, since the game was released.
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.04.14 05:41:00 - [21] Best for solo work? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Neut Dominix. With the caveat, if you are solo in your bs you are an idiot. (further caveat I have had some great ganks being an idiot solo in my geddon) The Neut domi is probably best all arround, it will be able to deal with most of what it runs into. My geddon eats them for breakfast though, with the cap boosters and no rep you can't clear my buffer or cap fast enough. Best for EWar? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Err, Scorpion? There is only one ship in this category... All I can say here is QFT. Best for small gang work? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Pulse Armageddon or Abaddon, if you have the ISK. To break that down a bit, Baddon for gate/station work Geddon for the belts. Best large fleet-support (tank/dmg dealing)? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Sniper Rokh. Disagree. Fleets they love the geddon/baddon Rokh is a nice sniper but the Apoc is better. Best sniper? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Sniper Rokh. Apoc, Rokh is the next best. Best gate camper? Abaddon. Good tank, good gank. Enough mids for some decent tackle. Best overall? Armageddon this ship is absurdly cheap for all the love you get. you can get 1250 dps and 100k EHP easily no implants, no faction and for around 100mil.. You just can't beat that. Having touted the Amarrian boats I'd also like to point out the Megathron is a beast if she catches you. Anything tier three has to be taken seriously and you never know what crazy thing a phoon will throw at you, though they are very out of vogue since nano got nerfed. -Galan
Triksterism Gallente z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.14 09:37:00 - [22] Providence. Hands down.
MitchPT Shade. Penumbra Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.14 10:15:00 - [23] no one wrote Megathron which just makes me sad.....buff Megas FFS!
DaPe	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Galan Amarias Best for solo work? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Neut Dominix. With the caveat, if you are solo in your bs you are an idiot. (further caveat I have had some great ganks being an idiot solo in my geddon) The Neut domi is probably best all arround, it will be able to deal with most of what it runs into. My geddon eats them for breakfast though, with the cap boosters and no rep you can't clear my buffer or cap fast enough. Best for EWar? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Err, Scorpion? There is only one ship in this category... All I can say here is QFT. Best for small gang work? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Pulse Armageddon or Abaddon, if you have the ISK. To break that down a bit, Baddon for gate/station work Geddon for the belts. Best large fleet-support (tank/dmg dealing)? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Sniper Rokh. Disagree. Fleets they love the geddon/baddon Rokh is a nice sniper but the Apoc is better. Best sniper? Originally by: Sera Ryskin Sniper Rokh. Apoc, Rokh is the next best. Best gate camper? Abaddon. Good tank, good gank. Enough mids for some decent tackle. Best overall? Armageddon this ship is absurdly cheap for all the love you get. you can get 1250 dps and 100k EHP easily no implants, no faction and for around 100mil.. You just can't beat that. Having touted the Amarrian boats I'd also like to point out the Megathron is a beast if she catches you. Anything tier three has to be taken seriously and you never know what crazy thing a phoon will throw at you, though they are very out of vogue since nano got nerfed. -Galan How do you get 1250 dps and 100k ehp out of a geddon with ease ? I have tryed severel times on eft to get those numbers with pilot being maxed, but can't.. If you also compares the geddon (gank/plate) with a domi (gank/plate) the numbers i allmost exact the same, and so are the pricetag.. I'll give you that the geddon is best for camps and stuff like that do to the better range on the guns = big alpha.. But I also se the extra free medslot on the domi and the abilety to swith dmg types.. So the only thing I would like to say is that I dont se that a geddon is so uber compared to the domi to say "I eat them for breakfast.." But again, people allways have different oppinions :)
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Angelos Kronos. It can tank, it can gank, it can do anything. Plus it uses the hull of the #1 BS of all time, since the game was released. WTB tech 1 battleship- aka kronos lol
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:32:00 - [26] [Armageddon, Mythical numbers] 1172 DPS, 121k EHP. Cap lasts 8 minutes with the MWD off. Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5
DaPe	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Asuka Smith [Armageddon, Mythical numbers] 1172 DPS, 121k EHP. Cap lasts 8 minutes with the MWD off. Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 My point.. 1172 dps with 3 heatsinks aint 1250 with ease.. 121k ehp is gained by using the TS eanm's and not normal t2.. And if you need something to hold people with, you need to fit a cpu in low to fit it all = even less ehp..
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Asuka Smith [Armageddon, Mythical numbers] 1172 DPS, 121k EHP. Cap lasts 8 minutes with the MWD off. Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 And you can get all that for just 100 mil? "Ruppie ain't no puppie."
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:52:00 - [29] I agree that this fitting is outside the parameters of "no implants with ease for 100m" but I am willing to allow that the originator of that statement was being slightly hyperbolic, and so I posted that fitting to illustrate what I imagine he meant. The TS EANMs are not that expensive and T2 will not fit unless you downgrade something else, or maybe it will fit actually since I was using Cap Recharger IIs when I replaced the EANMIIs to lower the CPU and cannot recall exactly. Armageddon is an excellent battleship, it is not 1250 DPS with ease good, but it is still pretty sweet and that is just a demonstration of it's sweetness I guess and yeah it ran a little high on the budget but as you can tell I named it "mythical numbers" for a reason and that fit is sort of crappy unless it is under optimal EFT-warrior conditions, such as having a full tackle.
RoCkEt X Caldari The Order of Chivalry	Posted - 2009.04.14 13:03:00 - [30] Edited by: RoCkEt X on 14/04/2009 13:03:47 maelstrom. alot of dps, will tank a gank battleship and still fit a disruptor. if it can tank your plate setup, it will kill you, your armor will run out before his cap boosters. i'm caldari BS spec, i wont take on a mael without a crystal clone. for fleets - geddon without a doubt.

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