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CommmanderInChief
Gallente
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.04.13 22:21:00 -
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Quite ironic that CCP are now linking its news reports to SHC - Perhaps if they spent a little time improving COAD they could actually use their own forums :)
But as we all know SHC is really the only true source for this info
ps ; your forums are down btw :)
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Illiya
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.13 22:28:00 -
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SHC isn't exactly the shining light of unbias that you seem to think it is. Also, the forum moves slow as hell. CAOD sure would be fun with a grand total of three pages!
battlereport: shot some pos
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CommmanderInChief
Gallente
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.04.13 22:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Illiya
SHC isn't exactly the shining light of unbias that you seem to think it is. Also, the forum moves slow as hell. CAOD sure would be fun with a grand total of three pages!
battlereport: shot some pos
ah wait i never said it was perfect did i..but it is 'alot' better for real reports on whats happening, and if CCP are linking to it themselves then they must think the same. thats all im saying..dont look any futher into it that that m8.
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Illiya
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.13 22:31:00 -
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'alot' isn't a word
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CommmanderInChief
Gallente
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.04.13 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Illiya
'alot' isn't a word
oh god - i forgot to press the space bar - sue me...stay on topic.
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Illiya
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.13 22:38:00 -
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on topic, ccp doesn't write the carpy (lol fish) news reports you see logging in, that's our wonderfully absolutely unbiased isd team.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.04.13 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 13/04/2009 23:12:57
Well, that does not speak high of SHC (which sucks, by the way) but low of CCP. Come on, the company has an official forum, linking to an external one instead of its own is an impressive proof of incompetence.
That said, I would like to add that if CAOD is bad (and it is), SHC is twice as bad. At least here we have some degree of forum neutrality, in SHC people are banned for having logged off in-game hurting the forum's admin's warped notion of e-honor. Well, SOME people, because if the guy wasn't hypocritical that would mean the whole Kenny Alliance would have to look for a new forum after the massive capital ship loggovski orchestrated by Molle recently. 
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Genuinely Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.04.13 23:13:00 -
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TBH I almost never post on SHC so I don't see how anyone can claim it can be truly unbiased.
FWIW SHC is more of a historical commentary, CAOD is where you see who is doing what day to day. You really can't compare the two.
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.04.13 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 13/04/2009 23:12:57
Well, that does not speak high of SHC (which sucks, by the way) but low of CCP. Come on, the company has an official forum, linking to an external one instead of its own is an impressive proof of incompetence.
That said, I would like to add that if CAOD is bad (and it is), SHC is twice as bad. At least here we have some degree of forum neutrality, in SHC people are banned for having logged off in-game hurting the forum's admin's warped notion of e-honor. Well, SOME people, because if the guy wasn't hypocritical that would mean the whole Kenny Alliance would have to look for a new forum after the massive capital ship loggovski orchestrated by Molle recently.
Aye, Calmdown most certainly banned Hardin for a CVA loggofski and didn't apologize at all.
I am also an excellent poster on SHC.
One of the above statements is false. Be your own judge.
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Mynas Atoch
Caldari
UK Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.13 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/04/2009 23:32:56
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/04/2009 23:31:56
If CCP want to fix this forum, its not exactly difficult, and they know exactly how to do it. The MMO industry has been running long enough and is big enough for 'best practice' to evolve. Just do what the other companies do. In game bans of all linked accounts for forum misbehaviour, and ruthlessly terminate all accounts of any player they don't like for whatever reason they feel like. After the first few hundred, people start to take the hint.
That they haven't after this many years forces one to conclude they like it like this.
Myn
ps and yes, I'm banned from SHC after a BOB moderator took exception to me describing him logging back in to continue killing dreads (not mine!) after a downtime started as 'cheating' (the down time had bugged, they knew it and exploited the associated software defect). He didn't like that.
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.14 00:09:00 -
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SHC has two types of posts: Shadoo reports and garbage/inaccurate/worthless reports/posts. The posters there believe they are "in the know" or "well known personalities" when 99% don't know anything about anything. The mods do annoying things like "clean threads" which is basically a way to attention ***** and nothing else (i.e. "LOOK AT MY NAME I AM A MOD I AM CLEANING HEHE"). One interesting thing about those forums is that if someone from Kenny or AAA etc. posts there they are likely to have some authority in their relative alliances. If Goons post there they are almost guaranteed to be in Battlestars or Arsed heh. So basically, a lot of morans post there. That's about the end of that chapter. HTH
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Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari
HOMELESS.
The Shelter
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Posted - 2009.04.14 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Petar Quaresma
SHC has two types of posts: Shadoo reports and garbage/inaccurate/worthless reports/posts. The posters there believe they are "in the know" or "well known personalities" when 99% don't know anything about anything. The mods do annoying things like "clean threads" which is basically a way to attention ***** and nothing else (i.e. "LOOK AT MY NAME I AM A MOD I AM CLEANING HEHE"). One interesting thing about those forums is that if someone from Kenny or AAA etc. posts there they are likely to have some authority in their relative alliances. If Goons post there they are almost guaranteed to be in Battlestars or Arsed heh. So basically, a lot of morans post there. That's about the end of that chapter. HTH
Awww... a forum where goonies aren't allowed to take the spotlight. Does that hurt the ego a bit?
I do have to agree that 99% of the people are clueless though...
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Etien Aldragoran
Gallente
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.14 00:28:00 -
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You're just now realizing this?
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Illiya
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.14 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/04/2009 23:39:46
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/04/2009 23:38:33
If CCP want to fix this forum, its not exactly difficult, and they know exactly how to do it. The MMO industry has been running long enough and is big enough for 'best practice' to evolve. Just do what the other companies do. In game bans of all linked accounts for forum misbehaviour, and ruthlessly terminate all accounts of any player they don't like for whatever reason they feel like. After the first few hundred, people start to take the hint.
That they haven't after this many years forces one to conclude they like it like this.
ehhhh.... Some companies, but not all ban in game accounts for forums stuff. Blizzard just bans forum posting, as well. I've been banned from those forums on at least two different accounts without affecting my actual playing ability.
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Gordo Fartis
Caldari
13th Squadron
T o r m e n t u m
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:08:00 -
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It seems a bit reach to complain about what CCP does. The phylosophy of the game is that it self regulates (mostly). That means that the trolls are winners and spoil the whole forum for childish point scoring. Also if CCP takes action and starts to be strict I am fairly sure that the complains will be sky high.
Is up to us players to make it right 
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DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:41:00 -
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Neither board is a one stop shop for news because they both serve as PR outlets, the only difference is the direction of spin.
On SHC, people are afraid to say negative things about their enemy because of moderation, so they tirelessly report on accomplishments. While on here they're afraid to talk about themselves because it'll get interpreted as boasting or defensiveness.
If you really cared to know as much as possible, you'd probably read both, scour the killboards, and consult the runes.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.04.14 02:30:00 -
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SHC has moderators that... wait for it... morerate. And somehow, this is seen as a bad thing?
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DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.14 02:45:00 -
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How much to moderate is the question, and everybody has a different answer. Even among the moderators. I would know since I spent some time doing it.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.04.14 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
How much to moderate is the question, and everybody has a different answer. Even among the moderators. I would know since I spent some time doing it.
As far as CAOD is concerned, my personnal answer would be: a ****ton more.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:10:00 -
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Excessive moderation is by far a worse evil than lax moderation.
Given, the right amount is difficult to achieve, but slightly (or even not so slightly) negligent moderation is considerably less damaging to a community than erring on the side of authoritarism, especially when this authoritarism is born on your own interests and bias.
It ends becoming a politically correct enviroment (accordingly to whatever may be the managers definition of the term) where nobody ever says what they are thinking, and very little is exchanging regarding ideas and opinions, what goes against the very purpose of a discussion forum. The politically correct dictatorship is not only ridiculous and highly hypocritical, but also a sure way to end saying nothing an listening to nothing, while pretending otherwise.
In addition the fact that a player administrates that forum is a bad thing on its own. CCP has not been always as neutral as we would like, but still it is a far better neutral party than a player.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Excessive moderation is by far a worse evil than lax moderation.
Given, the right amount is difficult to achieve, but slightly (or even not so slightly) negligent moderation is considerably less damaging to a community than erring on the side of authoritarism, especially when this authoritarism is born on your own interests and bias.
It ends becoming a politically correct enviroment (accordingly to whatever may be the managers definition of the term) where nobody ever says what they are thinking, and very little is exchanging regarding ideas and opinions, what goes against the very purpose of a discussion forum. The politically correct dictatorship is not only ridiculous and highly hypocritical, but also a sure way to end saying nothing an listening to nothing, while pretending otherwise.
In addition the fact that a player administrates that forum is a bad thing on its own. CCP has not been always as neutral as we would like, but still it is a far better neutral party than a player.
I disagree. Better stern moderation than seeing the forums become a haven of verbal (or more accurately, written) diarrhea (AKA, CAOD). Even SHC has descended into a ****poster's dream of late, compared to what it used to be.
Also, stern moderation doesn't automatically mean censorship. There is ALWAYS a way to say something; you just have to know how to say it.
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fugazii
Minmatar
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:28:00 -
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I never bother posting on SHC,.. they don't allow trolling and non constructive attacks. :)
Good for readin though.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
I disagree. Better stern moderation than seeing the forums become a haven of verbal (or more accurately, written) diarrhea (AKA, CAOD). Even SHC has descended into a ****poster's dream of late, compared to what it used to be.
Diahrrea is better defined like the nonsense you are spewing here.
Reading your statements one would think your sensibilities seem to be a little too feeble to sustain the hardships of discussion forums. Then again you are posting in CAOD, and you are quite a patron here.
Therefore I am forced to conclude that in the end, all that you are is an hypocrite. Just like those politicians that preach Family values to the public, condemn people for not abiding to these values, and afterwards go to their mistress...
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Also, stern moderation doesn't automatically mean censorship. There is ALWAYS a way to say something; you just have to know how to say it.
No there is not. That is an illusion. When you always have to circumvent four hundred rules and the moderator whims to say something, in the end whatever you wanted to say is lost to anyone but you.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
I disagree. Better stern moderation than seeing the forums become a haven of verbal (or more accurately, written) diarrhea (AKA, CAOD). Even SHC has descended into a ****poster's dream of late, compared to what it used to be.
Diahrrea is better defined like the nonsense you are spewing here.
Reading your statements one would think your sensibilities seem to be a little too feeble to sustain the hardships of discussion forums. Then again you are posting in CAOD, and you are quite a patron here.
Therefore I am forced to conclude that in the end, all that you are is an hypocrite. Just like those politicians that preach Family values to the public, condemn people for not abiding to these values, and afterwards go to their mistress...
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Also, stern moderation doesn't automatically mean censorship. There is ALWAYS a way to say something; you just have to know how to say it.
No there is not. That is an illusion. When you always have to circumvent four hundred rules and the moderator whims to say something, in the end whatever you wanted to say is lost to anyone but you.
Ah Etho! Thank you for once again proving that trying to have a reasonable, respectful discussion with you is an effort in futility. I salute you for your consistency, good sir. o7
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Todd Jaeger
Caldari
Evolution
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:58:00 -
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Where's the link to SHC?
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MaxTheRock I
Gallente
Independent Manufacturers
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Posted - 2009.04.14 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Todd Jaeger
Where's the link to SHC?
Scrapheap Challenge
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NickSuccorso
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.14 05:46:00 -
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There is no Eve posting haven, because there is no Eve forum that isn't completely populated by Eve players. The moderators are the last thing on the list of what's wrong with forums like CAOD or GBBS.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.14 07:41:00 -
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SHC has good battle reports and general overview on ingame politic things. Thou also very shi*ty and biased moderation.
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar
Ministry of Destruction
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 08:14:00 -
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SHC was fine till some of the biggest CAOD ****poster took over moderation and now playing the white knight on that board 
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 08:24:00 -
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I went there once, they lied to me; told me it was a nice place where all the cool eve people went and that the posts were good. I felt violated
CAOD is pretty accurate imo, full of useful people like Illiya telling us how it is.
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