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Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.04.14 08:55:00 - [31] SHC has one thing this forum sorely lacks: effective moderation. Endless cut and paste memes, goon spam, et al is simply not tolerated and that makes it readable. BUT, that said, CAOD is often a lot more fun. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Vegetate Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.04.14 08:57:00 - [32] SHC is not perfect but is way batter than caod atm. CCP moderators should be more strict and not affraid to ban people who cross the line. That way, maybe in a month or two of banning the ones who deserve it, CAOD would become a much more civil place. ____________________ Once known as Fedain
Don ZOLA Caldari Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.14 09:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Vegetate SHC is not perfect but is way batter than caod atm. CCP moderators should be more strict and not affraid to ban people who cross the line. That way, maybe in a month or two of banning the ones who deserve it, CAOD would become a much more civil place. Baning on SHC is very strict. Thou depending on "side you are on" and on if you are moderated by real mod or some suckup wannabe.
Mynas Atoch Caldari UK Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.14 09:03:00 - [34] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 14/04/2009 09:03:12 Originally by: Butter Dog SHC has one thing this forum sorely lacks: effective moderation. Endless cut and paste memes, goon spam, et al is simply not tolerated and that makes it readable. Or in other words, you are banned there too.
Chereadenine Zakalwe Caldari Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.04.14 09:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 14/04/2009 09:03:12 Originally by: Butter Dog SHC has one thing this forum sorely lacks: effective moderation. Endless cut and paste memes, goon spam, et al is simply not tolerated and that makes it readable. Or in other words, you are banned there too. Ya know..its funny cos i noticed Butters corpse in my hanger the other day..and i wondered where he had gone... I allmost feel responsible for summoning him back to the boards ô您&#
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.04.14 09:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 14/04/2009 09:03:12 Originally by: Butter Dog SHC has one thing this forum sorely lacks: effective moderation. Endless cut and paste memes, goon spam, et al is simply not tolerated and that makes it readable. Or in other words, you are banned there too. Would be kinda hard to ban me on SHC, I'm not even registered ;) ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.04.14 09:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Chereadenine Zakalwe Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 14/04/2009 09:03:12 Originally by: Butter Dog SHC has one thing this forum sorely lacks: effective moderation. Endless cut and paste memes, goon spam, et al is simply not tolerated and that makes it readable. Or in other words, you are banned there too. Ya know..its funny cos i noticed Butters corpse in my hanger the other day..and i wondered where he had gone... I allmost feel responsible for summoning him back to the boards I have no idea who you are, but everyone who is anyone has one of my corpses ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Sir Molley Amarr Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.04.14 10:43:00 - [38] When I get bored of ****ins, George Elliot, Michael Critchon, Governments who say someone has WMDs and other past masters of grand fiction I go to SHC for my fill of fantasy.
Sir Molley Amarr Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.04.14 10:44:00 - [39] Oh come off it. ****ins is censored. Philistines.
ry ry Amarr StateCorp HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.04.14 12:43:00 - [40] Edited by: ry ry on 14/04/2009 12:43:54 shc is okay. it's a bit cliquey, but that's kinda the point. with the possible exception of the well-known minor eve celebs' self-love, the average poster there is just as self important as the average CAOD poster. except kinsy who's a different kind of famous. the only spectacularly rubbish part about SHC are the number of people who quit eve in 1992 but refuse to lay down their bitter-vet cards and **** off for good. chances are nobody cares that you're thinking about re-subbing for the hundredth time, if you hated eve in 1864 you'll hate it now. decent battle reports tend to crop up on there more often because it's not quite the free-for-all attention whoring, and there are less broseftacular jabs dressed up as content. the ship fitting section is also the absolute pinnacle of EFTmanship, but there are some pilots offering useful advice on fittings. probably more than the ships and fittings section on here. info on new features and SISI generally turn up fairly quickly too.

Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2009.04.14 14:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Ah Etho! Thank you for once again proving that trying to have a reasonable, respectful discussion with you is an effort in futility. I salute you for your consistency, good sir. o7 Consistence is a reassurng trait, isn't it? Yours is no less impressivem by the way. I salute you for being, among peers, the pinnacle of the useless rant. And in a group with people like Butterdog and Jade, that is to say a lot. ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.14 14:38:00 - [42] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 14/04/2009 14:38:31 Originally by: Petar Quaresma SHC has two types of posts: Shadoo reports and garbage/inaccurate/worthless reports/posts. The posters there believe they are "in the know" or "well known personalities" when 99% don't know anything about anything. The mods do annoying things like "clean threads" which is basically a way to attention ***** and nothing else (i.e. "LOOK AT MY NAME I AM A MOD I AM CLEANING HEHE"). One interesting thing about those forums is that if someone from Kenny or AAA etc. posts there they are likely to have some authority in their relative alliances. If Goons post there they are almost guaranteed to be in Battlestars or Arsed heh. So basically, a lot of morans post there. That's about the end of that chapter. HTH Angry goon cant sheitpost and Shadoos post are the best.......... very accurate and unbaised....... not Just the same as the rest of the so called battle reports . Do as me, avoid that part and just post in randsom useless topic regarding non-eve, like she-males threads and so on signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.14 14:42:00 - [43] SHC was fine until 07's started to register.
King Blith Gallente The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:43:00 - [44] http://king-blith.mybrute.com
Doctor Penguin Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:10:00 - [45] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 14/04/2009 16:10:44 There is only one difference between excessive and good moderation - the quality of said moderation. An excessive and good moderation staff will remove the same amount of posts and all, but the good moderation staff will be nice and friendly, unbiased, critical in who is causing the trouble and a good poster in their own right. I've never posted on SHC, but it is a nice place to go if you want to try and find out details as opposed to chestbeating. It is understandable that it's viewed in such a hostile way by the Goons - they came to EVE because of it's sandbox "We won't ban you" nature. Combine that with the SA forums often complete lack of moderation of content (which is different to simply moderating, because that involves cleaning up spam etc) and you can understand the view. TL;DR version: Goons and SHC disagree on the basics of how a forum should be run. ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Benedic Minmatar The Aftermath	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:15:00 - [46] Confirming any eve related forums are terrible based on the fact that they are eve based.
Nick Curso Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:23:00 - [47] Originally by: King Blith http://king-blith.mybrute.com mybrute
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Illiya SHC isn't exactly the shining light of unbias that you seem to think it is. <snip> Amen. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Murrior Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Excessive moderation is by far a worse evil than lax moderation. Given, the right amount is difficult to achieve, but slightly (or even not so slightly) negligent moderation is considerably less damaging to a community than erring on the side of authoritarism, especially when this authoritarism is born on your own interests and bias. It ends becoming a politically correct enviroment (accordingly to whatever may be the managers definition of the term) where nobody ever says what they are thinking, and very little is exchanging regarding ideas and opinions, what goes against the very purpose of a discussion forum. The politically correct dictatorship is not only ridiculous and highly hypocritical, but also a sure way to end saying nothing an listening to nothing, while pretending otherwise. In addition the fact that a player administrates that forum is a bad thing on its own. CCP has not been always as neutral as we would like, but still it is a far better neutral party than a player. +1. CAOD may be terrible, and may generally ** me off, but at least its not affected by the terrible disease of constant moderation. Anyone who has been on forums for a while definitely knows how that works. So, I prefer to not bother with CAOD when I can't stand it but know that its a free forum that isn't censored every time a moderator needs to ******** to his/her uber e-identity, than censored forums that look nice in the eye, and posts magically disappear to a moron's unquestionable knowledge of right and wrong. Regards.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/04/2009 23:39:46 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/04/2009 23:38:33 If CCP want to fix this forum, its not exactly difficult, and they know exactly how to do it. The MMO industry has been running long enough and is big enough for 'best practice' to evolve. Just do what the other companies do. In game bans of all linked accounts for forum misbehaviour, and ruthlessly terminate all accounts of any player they don't like for whatever reason they feel like. After the first few hundred, people start to take the hint. That they haven't after this many years forces one to conclude they like it like this. Myn ps and yes, I'm banned from SHC after a moderator took exception to me describing his alliance logging back in to continue killing dreads (not mine!) after a downtime started as 'cheating' (the downtime process at the time was bugged, they knew it, understood it and methodically exploited the associated software defect). He didn't like that and exercised his power as he saw fit. you're right, people WOULD take the hint. in 6 months, it would be staff and kenzoku playing eve and wondering where everyone went. great ideas there, bub.

Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 14/04/2009 16:10:44 There is only one difference between excessive and good moderation - the quality of said moderation. An excessive and good moderation staff will remove the same amount of posts and all, but the good moderation staff will be nice and friendly, unbiased, critical in who is causing the trouble and a good poster in their own right. I've never posted on SHC, but it is a nice place to go if you want to try and find out details as opposed to chestbeating. It is understandable that it's viewed in such a hostile way by the Goons - they came to EVE because of it's sandbox "We won't ban you" nature. Combine that with the SA forums often complete lack of moderation of content (which is different to simply moderating, because that involves cleaning up spam etc) and you can understand the view. TL;DR version: Goons and SHC disagree on the basics of how a forum should be run. so, since shc bans logoffski types (or is that just false propaganda spread in this thread??) ... they do that without bias and everyone who pulls that during a "big" op and dis-e-honors themselves and their corp/alliance... get the shc ban stick i.e. molley's cap fleet recently, as mentioned previously in this thread. if the actual/true answer is 'no'; then, nothing you've just posted holds water (i.e. you're full of the ****skis).
Doctor Penguin Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd so, since shc bans logoffski types (or is that just false propaganda spread in this thread??) ... they do that without bias and everyone who pulls that during a "big" op and dis-e-honors themselves and their corp/alliance... get the shc ban stick i.e. molley's cap fleet recently, as mentioned previously in this thread. if the actual/true answer is 'no'; then, nothing you've just posted holds water (i.e. you're full of the ****skis). I'm not defending SHC if they actually ban on such thin grounds as has been alleged. I was, however, defending moderators in general. ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Doctor Penguin Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd so, since shc bans logoffski types (or is that just false propaganda spread in this thread??) ... they do that without bias and everyone who pulls that during a "big" op and dis-e-honors themselves and their corp/alliance... get the shc ban stick i.e. molley's cap fleet recently, as mentioned previously in this thread. if the actual/true answer is 'no'; then, nothing you've just posted holds water (i.e. you're full of the ****skis). I'm not defending SHC if they actually ban on such thin grounds as has been alleged. I was, however, defending moderators in general. that'd be pretty funny if they do.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.04.14 19:04:00 - [54] All it would take to fix CAOD is to limit it to CEO's/Dir's/Alliance leaders. Lock all other posts, and it'd be fine. Then Corps/Alliance's could post info without a bombardment of crap.
Spurty Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.04.14 19:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Cors All it would take to fix CAOD is to limit it to CEO's/Dir's/Alliance leaders. Lock all other posts, and it'd be fine. Then Corps/Alliance's could post info without a bombardment of crap. first intelligent post I've read for awhile on CAOD. Originally by: Butter Dog I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.14 20:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Consistence is a reassurng trait, isn't it? Yours is no less impressivem by the way. I salute you for being, among peers, the pinnacle of the useless rant. And in a group with people like Butterdog and Jade, that is to say a lot. You give my useless ranting skills far too much credit. And eh! At least my rants aren't (generally) as long as Jade's.
Morris Falter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.14 21:33:00 - [57] SHC is a deeply boring, hypocritical, incestuous and overbearing fart land full of hot air and "battle reports". Otherwise it's fine.
Shinma Apollo Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.04.14 21:42:00 - [58] This is the thread where we call sofia and vipur, and max self aggrandizing windbags who do improper things with monkey anatomies to see if we still have a SHC account, right? Originally by: CCP Mitnal Let's not go near moderation discussion. However, if the excuse involved role-playing Zorro, this did get full marks for creativity
Ivo D Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.04.14 21:47:00 - [59] Originally by: Morris Falter SHC is a deeply boring, hypocritical, incestuous and overbearing fart land full of hot air and "battle reports". Otherwise it's fine. qft Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Wachtmeister ([email protected])
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.04.14 23:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Illiya rage Originally by: Illiya rage Originally by: Illiya more rage man you are raging pretty hard there, you should calm down little goonie



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