Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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For fleets? They're crippled and now useless.
As an alt to ruin 1v1s? Not at all nerfed, and in fact boosted a bit.
Typically brilliant CCP balance decision, nerf the ship where it's balanced, boost it where it's overpowered.

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Dont.

Base ECM strength was reduced. Effective ECM strength of Falcon, Rook and Scorpion got REDUCED. So Falcon is NOT buffed as 1v1 ruin tool.

ECM ships got a slight nerf and then realignment of roles.
I think they are awesome now.

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Originally by: BABARR

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Edited by: BABARR on 15/04/2009 21:45:47
This "nerf" is not a nerf. I don't see anything in the patch note about a smaller strenght of ECM, i see only a bonus of 30% instead 20%.
So ECM loss some range, BUT got more strenght : in a fight outnumbered you are going to be perma jammed more than before, and die whitout locking anything.

Drone bay on falcon and rook.... LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Caracal -> cerberus, loss the drone bay
Omen -> zealot, loss the drone bay.

And now drone bay (and DPS) on a jam ship. Gratz.

More cloak, more jam, the PVP in eve going to be more and more funny than before.

I still wait for a skill and a rig ECCM. And a probe against AFK cloaker (maybe 20 or 30min probe time)

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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu

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Gotta admit, CCP did a great thing to the stealth bomber. Is going from totally niche to being marginally useful; raven volley damage is gonna be fun :3

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Originally by: Murrior

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Nope, the opposite. From very cool, if you know how to fly it, it becomes total crap. You probably didn't read about the 30 sec re-cloaking delay, the ban of the speed bonus when cloaked, and the fact that they will be using....torpedoes. Stealth bombers were fine as they were, they may lacked the ability of warping cloaked, but with those changes, I would prefer it if they kept them as they were.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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So, before you could only kill t1 cruisers.

Now you would be able to kill battleships (nothing smaller ofc), if you didnt had to warp out instantly while the BS reps back the volley damage you just did.

Nice boost, I guess I'll sell the manticore I still have as long as prices are so ridiculously high.

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Originally by: kessah

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Brings the Arazu back into the fold now

3 Damps on a falcon should put it out of service.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/04/2009 07:26:01

Originally by: kessah

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Brings the Arazu back into the fold now

3 Damps on a falcon should put it out of service.

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Dont rejoice too early, 3 damps with max skills are barely enough to reduce its range to a critical degree.

If the falcon pilot is smart enough to fit a sensor booster (scanres to ensure he's getting a jam off after decloaking before he gets volleyed), its not looking too good.

My falcon will still have a sensor booster for this exact reason... looking forward to see some creative anti-ewar fits on the Arazu though (ECCM + signal amps in lows + full rack of RSDs maybe, we'll see how its gonna work out).

Maybe we get some decent duels between the ewar pilots with these changes, though likely falcon as well as arazu will get instantly primaried by their respective fleets to ensure ewar superiority.

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Originally by: Lili Lu

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Originally by: Ash Bringer

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ok with all dps approach

3x neutron blaster t2
3x magstab
2x warrior t2 (in thorax hull for calculation purposes)

294 dps

make it 3 multispec ecm / 2 lse t2 / scrambler / MWD

rigs : shield extenders... and u have your new solo miner gank mobile.. Not very good as pilgrim as she cant shutoff tanks but better dps.

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Yep, the range reduction and possible necessity for multispec fits will be the only thing preventing the ecm strenght buff from making the ecm recons overpowered in a different way than they are now. ECM recon pilots will have to adjust their thinking, and frankly they will have more target selection than the Pilgrim because ecm doesn't care whether the target uses turrets or launchers.

A Scorpion will still have sufficient range, albeit in falloff, to be used in fleet fights. Ironically it might live longer as it will not be a constant irritant and thus not an automatic primary.

As a certifed "Falcon whiner" I am not satisfied with the "nerf". "Falcon nerf whiners" should take solace in that many "Falcon whiners" are not satisfied and worry that the ships are still too powerful. I think it did not address the effect of jamming in the right way. The jamming mechanic is still incredibly powerful in that it still leaves the target ship uselessly thumb sitting. Other EW afflicted ships still have options in a fight. Oh well at least ECM boats have been forced into the fray where they will die to numbers and mistakes in piloting (like every other recon has had to endure).

My Falcon/Arazu alt will still be using the Falcon over the Arazu. I will still not be flying my much weakened Rapier and Pilgrim. ECM recon pilots need to shut up and realize that they have now twice dodged bullets that connected with the ****pits of the other recons and are still lodged there.

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