I'd say removal of the cost of ships and modules will reduce that "fear of PVP" way way more.

For me there is a big difference in attribute enhancers and hardwirings.

"i can't join this op, i'm in my expensive learning clone with 10 hours left on the timer!"

Get rid of learning implants.

"i can't join this op, i'm in my expensive learning clone with 10 hours left on the timer!"

Get rid of learning implants.

they get really bored saving the damsel and killing Kruul and quit

So what about hardwirings? They give significant bonuses to your performace and ISK earning potential, while being just as available and potentially costing even more than attribute implants. Not using them gimps you when competing against people who do use them, meaning pretty much everyone these days. If you just remove learning implants, people are going to stick performance implants in their place at the start, be unwilling to risk them and we will be pretty much back to square one.

This topic has been discussed to death though, if you want to see all the arguments and ideas, just read this thread.

Grudging agree with the OP

When i first started this game i was fearless. I went all over nullsec in a noob ship and did not care what happened. Once i got my +5s i did not leave highsec for 6 months and now i spent most of my time in a clone with no implants.

So, you want to reduce the risk involved for those that do heavy pvp and get podded often, disguised as something of benefit for new players?.

How about no?.

When I started playing, my priorities weren't implants. If you really want to benefit new players, how about making the tutorials drop the most basic learning implants for free.

Minimizing risk by negating the usefulness of those implants doesn't really address the issue as much as skirt around it. After all, if you're not going to use the training boost, why get it? And why should I have to choose between 24 hours at full training speed and a few hours of PvP?

Or the timer. I don't really think removing the timer completely is a good idea, but at a minimum CCP needs to drop it to 12 hours.

My suggestion is CCP needs to find out the amount of time the average person plays per day. I mean really plays, not sits afk in a station. I assume it's going to be around 4-6 hours. Whatever that amount of time is, that should be the length of the JC timer. But that is a thread all its own.

also how would a new player even has access to jump clones? Maybe jump clones need to be a feature every player in eve can use no matter how poor or rich. old or young. That combined with a shorter timer would make a huge difference in the way newer players see and play the game.

There's these things I heard about, I think they are called.... J... Ju... Jump ... Jump Clones? Yeah, that's it! Jump Clones. You can get implants in one, and have no implants or cheaper implants in another and use one to PVP and one to not PVP.

Get this: I also heard you don't need standings to install them in your nullsec corps station and that there are corps in the market section that let you join, get jump clones, and leave. Free.

I also heard that +3s are cheaper than +4s, and +2s are cheaper than +3s, and so on. A wise man once said: don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Implants go in your pod and you fly your pod so it applies.

Oh and no one makes you have implants.

You clearly missed my first reply.

yeah because that level of complexity is something new players will figure out.

Eve has a lot of "hidden features" and right cick menus and things that are hard to understand. A lot of these add a level of skill to playing eve. It's like learning how to use maya more than a video game.

I've been here for 7 years so I KNOW how to jump clone, but I do wish it on others. Everyone should get one free jump clone without having to go through corps or backwards system. Anything that requires you to tab out of the game to go check a forum needs to get taken out of eve.


When you start playing eve online, creating a jump clone should be part of the tutorial.

PvP is an ISK sink

I can tell you that the learning implants can get new EVE players into a bad place in game. It happened to me and several people that I know. The cycle goes like this:


1. Start playing eve - learning, reading, tutorials, holy crap this is cool, what a deep game, etc
2. Hey I finished some skills and now I can fly a bigger, cooler ship! Sweet!
3. I wonder if I can train these skills faster so I can fly more even cooler ships?
4. Attribute implants! Perfect! ... and expesive
5. Grind ... Grind ... Grind
6. Woohoo implants! Evemon says this is gonna save so much time.
7. PVP? And loose the implants I spent all that time grinding for? No way!
8. Hmmm ... jump clones you say? Yes that's pefect then I can try pvp without loosing my implants!
8. I need to get my standings to what?
9. Grind missions
10. Grind missions
11. Grind missions
12. Grind missions
13. This game is so boring, **** this.


And that is why I quit EVE the first time I tried it. Same for some friends ... because of the damn jump clone standings grind. I came back; they haven't yet. Part of the reason I came back is because I learned about the Estel Arador corp and the shortcut to jump clones. Not sure if that service was around when I quit the first time but I know I hadn't heard of it.


I guess I would say that maybe the issue is more with jump clones than it is with learning implants.

Learning implants are not evil or unfair. However, they are unnecessary and they give new pilots a bad first taste of EVE. Why bad? Well, new pilots immediately find out that getting into the ships they want to fly takes time. The learning implants reduce that time, and newbies will focus on getting those implants as soon as possible once they find out about them. However, they are relatively expensive for a new player and after they plug in the implants, they don't want to lose them.

For a beginner, those implants represent more than just the gametime they spent to get them. They mined or ran missions for days to get them, and to lose them would not only set them back tens of millions of ISK, it would gimp their character progression. After a new players gets these implants in his head, he becomes extremely risk averse. The idea of being podded is pretty scary to a newbie when he's carrying so much in his head.

After having learned this new behavior, a new pilot is much more likely to avoid going into lowsec or nullsec. This is generally bad for EVE. Aside from the obvious implications this has on new player experiences (they get really bored saving the damsel and killing Kruul and quit), this is not good for the EVE market. PvP is an ISK sink, and ships getting blown up creates demand for new ships.

I'm not saying that getting rid of learning implants is THE solution to getting more hisec bears out of their shells, but it would help new players be less risk-averse. Not everyone likes to PvP, but the way things are now, I don't think newbies are being given a fair chance to try it.

also how would a new player even has access to jump clones? Maybe jump clones need to be a feature every player in eve can use no matter how poor or rich. old or young. That combined with a shorter timer would make a huge difference in the way newer players see and play the game.

Grinding standings is just bad for the pvp game too.

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