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Onus Mian
Amarr
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Onus Mian on 16/04/2009 14:04:55
You make some good points but from my perspective the environment has priority over jobs. We should be downscaling the fishing industry so that fits in with quotas that are based on scientific research without being filtered through politicians first. We certainly shouldn't be bowing down to protests over job losses and subsidising oversized fishing fleets.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.04.16 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ratchman on 16/04/2009 14:05:28
 Originally by: Vak'ran
Yeah, sure blame the fishermen, because when an industries' upper management fails the fishermen are to blame? This union messmaking is what happens when people are hurt in their income, in the amount of bread on the table.
And in what industry does that not happen in? How many people in the financial sector have been laid off in the past year?
Unions hold a very valuable place in society, and they are the check to business' amorality (not saying that business is evil, just that it does not adhere to a moral code). If a business starts to mistreat its workforce, then the union can stand together and force more equitable treatment.
Of course, the unions went too far a while back, and the worst excesses in unions match those seen in business. I have met union people who join purely because it is a way for them to get out of actual work, and make mountains out of molehills in order to justify their existance, yet when there is any real grievance (that might actually require some effort), they seem to be on holiday with their family at the union's expense. One classic example was a man I met who was so lazy, his body fat had settled so much he was shaped like a weeble (if you remember them). And the only activity you ever saw him do was the flurry of union expense forms once a month.
I have know of a workforce go on strike because they wanted a 'toast break' 15 minutes after they started work. The company capitulated and lost 30 minutes of manpower off each person in the workforce every day. Soon enough, they started experiencing financial difficulties (although not solely linked with this, it was a contributing factor) and had to lay off a quarter of the workforce. The union won a petty victory, but because the demands were unreasonable, it affected the business' ability to function. It's farcical behaviour like that which has completely devalued the worth of unions, certainly in Britain.
Now we have business leaders acting like fools and indulging themselves whilst making stupid decisions that no-one in their right mind should make, but no natural check from the workforce, because too many union people went down the same route. The British workforce tends to be people with no voice, and those who can't scratch their own arse without calling a union meeting about it.
Unions are a powerful tool for the common man, and we waste them on toast.
For such organisations to have some purpose again, they have to facilitate communication between management and the workers again. And that means compromise on both sides. Business cannot run without its workforce, but the workforce cannot earn money if the business doesn't.
This applies to these fishermen. If they don't adhere to the quotas, they are liable to overfish, and deplete the fish stocks. Once the fish stocks go, they will all be out of a job. No amount of union rhetoric will bring the fish back. The union has to realise that a compromise has to be reached, but it's not going to be in the realm of increasing quotas, because the industry will not survive overfishing. I'm all for the fishermen trying to improve their lot, but they have to appreciate the fact that some things cannot be changed if they want a collective future in the industry.
I appreciate that the above might make me sound anti-union, but I'm not really. Unions are vital in any system. I'm just against the exploitation of sound ethics to further the ambitions of self-serving individuals.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.04.16 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
Edited by: Ratchman on 16/04/2009 14:05:28
Originally by: Vak'ran
Yeah, sure blame the fishermen, because when an industries' upper management fails the fishermen are to blame? This union messmaking is what happens when people are hurt in their income, in the amount of bread on the table.
And in what industry does that not happen in? How many people in the financial sector have been laid off in the past year?
etc...
Unions are vital in any system. I'm just against the exploitation of sound ethics to further the ambitions of self-serving individuals.
Agreed. The union response will always be there. The problem is more fundamental, and indeed across a lot of industries, because the regulation is not standing up to it to a point where the measures that need to be taken are so harsh that its driven to revolt-like situations like this blockade. Its a failure to recognize the problem early on in favour of expansion.
It's human nature but with growing understanding of human nature one can only hope that the need to intervene in earlier stages is recognized at some point. Not doing so presses the indeed very important union system into a defensive role, suddenly at a loss why demands are no longer met when they actually matter.
And Onus, I'm going to stop responding to you until you start finishing your posts before hitting the reply button. You also need to stop mentioning these elephant and whale extremes, ofcourse I do not support them. If you must insist focusing responsibility on the fishermen themselves in stead of those who have a responsibility to act beyond their own needs, then I cannot sway you further.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 14:30:00 -
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Global fish populations are crashing, hard. It's not a question of wooly-minded environmentalist hollywood stars asking people to save the Sea Kittens: it's a simple, uncontestable fact. The fishing industry has devestated every stock of fish it has found, many to the point that they are now unrecoverable.
They can either accept that they will have to change now, or accept that that in a few more years there simply will not be a fishing industry. We'll be eating jellyfish and krill, at best.
The reason for the opposition is The Tragedy Of The Commons.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.04.16 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
The reason for the opposition is The Tragedy Of The Commons.
Indeed a tragedy that however spot-on Hardin was, the systematic failure to recognize the fundamental problem only goes to show that those that need to act suffer the same motivational problems as the individual.
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Onus Mian
Amarr
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran
And Onus, I'm going to stop responding to you until you start finishing your posts before hitting the reply button. You also need to stop mentioning these elephant and whale extremes, ofcourse I do not support them. If you must insist focusing responsibility on the fishermen themselves in stead of those who have a responsibility to act beyond their own needs, then I cannot sway you further.
Yeah things occur to me after I've finished a post but I'll stop doing that and enough with the comprisons too since they just divert from the main issue. Anyway back to the issue at hand...
In an ideal world we would have had a system in place which monitored the marine environment and used this information to put in place effective resource management regulations for industry to follow. The truth of the matter is that we don't and because of that we have this situations. I understand what you are saying in that we have allowed the problem to escalate to this point through innefective resource management and that it is unfair to turn around and tell the fishermen that its time to scuttle their ships and find a new job. Admittedly I've been stubborn in refusing to accept this point as being significant but I will give it some consideration
Bottom line is that environmental considerations need to have a priority because in the end (As the other guy mentioned) plenty of industries find themselvse in a position where they need to reduce their workforce if they need to survive (Look at the car industry). On the other hand not many industries are in a position where the unwillingness to do so will not only have serious ramifications for the future of the businesses involved but also the environment.
People are being laid off in their thousands in the car industry yet when the fishing industry is faced with a similar threat all of a sudden they demand special treatment. No matter how you look at the problem we're going to have to reduce the size of the fishing industry and the first to go are going to be those near the bottom of the ladder, the fishermen and those working in the processing plants. They may not be responsible for the current situation (Though they can't have been ignorant of what was happened) but neither were the people who lost their jobs in the car factories.
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT''CMEPTHNK on 16/04/2009 15:35:14
To Sum it up....
France in a nutshell   [linky]
(linky just to keep the GM's happy)
the full set is here
i think this is without a doubt the best modern art in this milenium yet.
i hope some time soon i can also pop over there(running the fishy frenchy gauntlet) and see it in action, as it's not a static peice of art but moves and has sound effects.
(Tbh the uk, iceland, norway and the eastern accesion states should be included on a second mobile)
this is the best spent EU money i have seen yet...
CCP made little baby jesus cry by nerfing ghost training
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vak''ran on 16/04/2009 15:28:23
Originally by: Onus Mian
Bottom line is that environmental considerations need to have a priority because in the end (As the other guy mentioned) plenty of industries find themselvse in a position where they need to reduce their workforce if they need to survive (Look at the car industry). On the other hand not many industries are in a position where the unwillingness to do so will not only have serious ramifications for the future of the businesses involved but also the environment.
I couldnt agree more, if only those with the power to act would see how their actions will bite themselves in the arse, or pay attention to people who do. I am afraid that it's a utopic wish, which collides solidly with human nature.
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People are being laid off in their thousands in the car industry yet when the fishing industry is faced with a similar threat all of a sudden they demand special treatment. No matter how you look at the problem we're going to have to reduce the size of the fishing industry and the first to go are going to be those near the bottom of the ladder, the fishermen and those working in the processing plants. They may not be responsible for the current situation (Though they can't have been ignorant of what was happened) but neither were the people who lost their jobs in the car factories.
Well strikes and other such chaotic things do happen in relation to other industries like the car industry as well. Though a notable difference I think, is that in the example of the car industry it seems to be subject to economic recession. I'm no economist but it feels like it's decline is a lot less avoidable by those managing the car industry than the decline in fisheries was avoidable by that industry's managing bodies. The first offers a relative luxury to a declining economy, the latter supplies a base need from an unsustainable source - unsustainable due to its own actions.
While union demands in time of crisis are equally hard to realize in both examples, I think the lack of acceptance and harsher reaction in the fisheries might be explained by a feeling that more direct responsibility is involved.
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Hat Lion
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:48:00 -
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I live in Kent, in a medium-sized town called Ashford that sits right on the M20 and sees a lot of foreign traffic passing through - it's a geographically convenient stop not too far from the Channel Tunnel and the ferries at Dover and Folkestone and has a few lorry in promptu lorry parks around the outskirts. Every time these lazy arsewipes go on strike, the entire M20 from well north of Ashford down to Dover usually just freezes up entirely, because the police have to turn the entire ****ing motorway into a lorry park until the French decide to up tools and do some work for a change.
Makes my life a living hell trying to get to work in Folkestone with traffic that would usually flow freely on a motorway clogging up the lone A road from Ashford down to the Coast.
I don't care about whether some minor injustice is being infracted against them, I care that:
a) Cross-channel trade is severely hampered for days, costing tens of millions of pounds to already beleaguered businesses
b) I have to wake up 5 am to beat the rush on the A-roads.
So go to hell fishermen, you'll find no sympathy in this county.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Onus Mian
You know what they feed the fish in fish farms? Fish caught at sea so there goes that arguement. Fish farms also mess up coastal waters.
Why don't you come tell the fish farmers that live 15 metres from my house? These people feed their fishes nothing, the fish eat what grows in the water. Also these fish are grown in sweet water that does not affect coast lines. Have you ever read anything about these farms?
Originally by: Onus Mian
You make some good points but from my perspective the environment has priority over jobs.
Every single person on this planet can be employed somehow in some industry. For example the logging industry. We can chop down every single tree on this planet and everyone will have a job. But before you do that go to the countries that have been entirely deforested and ask the people how their lives are. Also what air are you going to breathe when there're no trees?
People who believe that this outdated lifestyle should continue (fishery) should be locked in a vault for a few hours to see what the world will be like once we've entirely cleared it of life.
The environment does, indeed, take presedence over jobs or profit. If it didn't we'd kill ourselves in a few years and right now the greatest threat to humanity is environmental terrorism and that is man itself.
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Onus Mian
Amarr
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran
Edited by: Vak''ran on 16/04/2009 15:28:23
Originally by: Onus Mian
Bottom line is that environmental considerations need to have a priority because in the end (As the other guy mentioned) plenty of industries find themselvse in a position where they need to reduce their workforce if they need to survive (Look at the car industry). On the other hand not many industries are in a position where the unwillingness to do so will not only have serious ramifications for the future of the businesses involved but also the environment.
I couldnt agree more, if only those with the power to act would see how their actions will bite themselves in the arse, or pay attention to people who do. I am afraid that it's a utopic wish, which collides solidly with human nature.
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People are being laid off in their thousands in the car industry yet when the fishing industry is faced with a similar threat all of a sudden they demand special treatment. No matter how you look at the problem we're going to have to reduce the size of the fishing industry and the first to go are going to be those near the bottom of the ladder, the fishermen and those working in the processing plants. They may not be responsible for the current situation (Though they can't have been ignorant of what was happened) but neither were the people who lost their jobs in the car factories.
Well strikes and other such chaotic things do happen in relation to other industries like the car industry as well. Though a notable difference I think, is that in the example of the car industry it seems to be subject to economic recession. I'm no economist but it feels like it's decline is a lot less avoidable by those managing the car industry than the decline in fisheries was avoidable by that industry's managing bodies. The first offers a relative luxury to a declining economy, the latter supplies a base need from an unsustainable source - unsustainable due to its own actions.
While union demands in time of crisis are equally hard to realize in both examples, I think the lack of acceptance and harsher reaction in the fisheries might be explained by a feeling that more direct responsibility is involved.
To borrow from Steven Erikson I think the term 'wide-eyed stupid' is a quite accurate way of describing many of the people who are in positions of power and influence. There is a similarity between the economic recession and the decimation of marine resources because in both cases the involved parties were trying to operate beyond the limitations. The fishing industry was catching more fish than was sustainable and people refused to spend within the contraints of their income.
The solution to both problems is basically to operate within sensible limits. Economically that means don't spend more than you make (Kinda obvious) and for fisheries they need to fish in manner which doesn't have a detrimental effect on the population. All regulatory bodies should use this as a foundation for the laying down of further regulations.
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Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Onus Mian
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but there is other issue this protection rules are for the future and ppl need better income, if this ppl get the needed income now they respect the protection rules
Short term political and economic gain has no place in the implimenting of long term policies intended to protect vulnerable resources.
what are more important ? humans or fish ? human vote fish dont
can human live without fish if is depleted ? yes
i try to dont be a hypocrite ...so if you ask me to sacrifice "myself" for source of food("fish") i say NO WAY
btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Global fish populations are crashing, hard. It's not a question of wooly-minded environmentalist hollywood stars asking people to save the Sea Kittens: it's a simple, uncontestable fact. The fishing industry has devestated every stock of fish it has found, many to the point that they are now unrecoverable.
that is total bs
none open a company that fish industrial quantities for fun ppl open them for profit because there is demand ... also i got some questions for ppl that eat fish and post in here
do you say **** off to your doctor when say is healthy to eat fish ?
when someone invite you to a dinner and there is fish do you stand up and say i dont eat that because it hurt the ocean ?
when you make shopping you put back fish products because it hurts the ocean ?
the best way to protect oceans is dont eat any products that come from this oceans
btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Malcanis
Global fish populations are crashing, hard. It's not a question of wooly-minded environmentalist hollywood stars asking people to save the Sea Kittens: it's a simple, uncontestable fact. The fishing industry has devestated every stock of fish it has found, many to the point that they are now unrecoverable.
that is total bs
none open a company that fish industrial quantities for fun ppl open them for profit because there is demand ... also i got some questions for ppl that eat fish and post in here
do you say **** off to your doctor when say is healthy to eat fish ?
when someone invite you to a dinner and there is fish do you stand up and say i dont eat that because it hurt the ocean ?
when you make shopping you put back fish products because it hurts the ocean ?
the best way to protect oceans is dont eat any products that come from this oceans
What the hell are you trying to say? That doesn't make any sense at all. I cant even tell if you're agreeing with me or not.
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Onus Mian
Amarr
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Onus Mian
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but there is other issue this protection rules are for the future and ppl need better income, if this ppl get the needed income now they respect the protection rules
Short term political and economic gain has no place in the implimenting of long term policies intended to protect vulnerable resources.
what are more important ? humans or fish ? human vote fish dont
can human live without fish if is depleted ? yes
i try to dont be a hypocrite ...so if you ask me to sacrifice "myself" for source of food("fish") i say NO WAY
I'll try and answer as well as I can given that I'm not entirely sure what you're argueing. Given that humans are entirely dependent on the resources provided by our environment its generally considered a bad idea to break that environment. Its hard to quantify the effects which overfishing has on the marine environment because the relationships between species and their environment are extremely complicated and not always apparant until they are broken.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Onus Mian
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Onus Mian
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but there is other issue this protection rules are for the future and ppl need better income, if this ppl get the needed income now they respect the protection rules
Short term political and economic gain has no place in the implimenting of long term policies intended to protect vulnerable resources.
what are more important ? humans or fish ? human vote fish dont
can human live without fish if is depleted ? yes
i try to dont be a hypocrite ...so if you ask me to sacrifice "myself" for source of food("fish") i say NO WAY
I'll try and answer as well as I can given that I'm not entirely sure what you're argueing. Given that humans are entirely dependent on the resources provided by our environment its generally considered a bad idea to break that environment. Its hard to quantify the effects which overfishing has on the marine environment because the relationships between species and their environment are extremely complicated and not always apparant until they are broken.
then in that case, blaming it on ALL fisherman is wrong.
the ones to blame here is us, and nobody else but us.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 16/04/2009 19:24:41
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What the hell are you trying to say? That doesn't make any sense at all. I cant even tell if you're agreeing with me or not.
was about that the fishing destroy the fish stock etc
Originally by: Grimpak
then in that case, blaming it on ALL fisherman is wrong.
the ones to blame here is us, and nobody else but us.
this is true 
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imagine this situation
there are 1000 kg fish in the water and the market demand is 800kg, each 1kb give 1Ç profit to the fisherman
all French fisherman can fish 900 kg but the government say no you only can fish 700kg => only get 700Ç and that is bad
so fisherman have to start negotiating subsidise whit the government but no one pay you for doing nothing so fisherman get only 50Ç and this is no sufficient
so for fisherman all this ppl who support the law that restrict fishing are some how enemy's and some how "Greenpeace"(is just a name) by their actions and protests screw the fisherman
( here is a another point of view when greenpeace/or other org like that protest and block things this protest somehow are well received and more supported because they call our attention about =something very important for our future= )
back to the situation :D
now imagine there is only 600 KG demand on the market, what is the main answer ? SCREW YOU fisherman make better product/ be more competitive/ advertise more / none will cry because you dont sell what you expect to sell
the point is we create the demand (on all products) this ppl see a hole in the market and also in their pocket, they can hill this hole and some stupid rule dont let do so
sry for explaining this like for a 10 years old child but is easyer for me to express better my point of view
btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
imagine this situation
there are 1000 kg fish in the water and the market demand is 800kg, each 1kb give 1Ç profit to the fisherman
all French fisherman can fish 900 kg but the government say no you only can fish 700kg => only get 700Ç and that is bad
so fisherman have to start negotiating subsidise whit the government but no one pay you for doing nothing so fisherman get only 100Ç and this is no sufficient
so for fisherman all this ppl who support the law that restrict fishing are some how enemy's and some how "Greenpeace"(is just a name) by their actions and protests screw the fisherman
( here is a another point of view when greenpeace/ot other org like that protest and block things this protest somehow are well received and more supported because they call our attention about =something very important for our future= )
back to the situation :D
now imagine there is only 600 KG demand on the market, what is the main answer ? SCREW YOU fisherman make better product/ be more competitive/ advertise more / none will cry because you dont sell what you expect to sell
the point is we create the demand (on all products) this ppl see a hole in the market and also in their pocket, they can hill this hole and some stupid rule dont let do so
sry for explaining this like for a 10 years old child but is easyer for me to express better my point of view
I do agree on that, but what of the countries (like my own, Portugal) that have a very strong tradition and ties to the sea? Fisherman here are a dying breed, but not those that go in factory-ships and deplete an entire year of fish schools in a single catch, no. Tbh those could go and die in a fire, since they are removing an important part of our own culture.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I do agree on that, but what of the countries (like my own, Portugal) that have a very strong tradition and ties to the sea? Fisherman here are a dying breed, but not those that go in factory-ships and deplete an entire year of fish schools in a single catch, no. Tbh those could go and die in a fire, since they are removing an important part of our own culture.
is our fault also why ? we are ignorant we want the best product and the best quality
apart on that one thing that can help is double labelling when we go to this supermarket do we ask for producer label... many ppl dont know what is that concept even if sell or buy, this label is useless on tv and stuff like that but i very important on food
why this label is good because u can see who made that and if you know the name of small business you can pick products and also look for fair price ... this cut the "white mark products"
if you are from portugal u must see products from spain that have this "cultural zone sign" only given to specific products from xx zone the next step should be signs on product that means "this was made by a business whit 20/50/100 employees"
all this stuff and other stuff like ths only can make one thing call our attention but we are free to give our money to x or y ... our habits raise and destroy business 
btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
if you are from portugal u must see products from spain that have this "cultural zone sign" only given to specific products from xx zone the next step should be signs on product that means "this was made by a business whit 20/50/100 employees"
all this stuff and other stuff like ths only can make one thing call our attention but we are free to give our money to x or y ... our habits raise and destroy business
people here rarely buy spanish stuff, because of this stigma about "if it's from Spain, it sucks".
plus, most supermarket chains here invest alot in attempting to sell everything they have as "made in Portugal".
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
people here rarely buy spanish stuff, because of this stigma about "if it's from Spain, it sucks".
plus, most supermarket chains here invest alot in attempting to sell everything they have as "made in Portugal".
dont go that way we talk about ways to distinguish products made by small business and big corporate business
btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Grimpak
people here rarely buy spanish stuff, because of this stigma about "if it's from Spain, it sucks".
plus, most supermarket chains here invest alot in attempting to sell everything they have as "made in Portugal".
dont go that way we talk about ways to distinguish products made by small business and big corporate business
well, there isn't, xcept for the language in the package.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:09:00 -
[53]
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 16/04/2009 19:24:41
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What the hell are you trying to say? That doesn't make any sense at all. I cant even tell if you're agreeing with me or not.
was about that the fishing destroy the fish stock etc
Are you saying that fishing hasn't destroyed fish stocks?
Because it most certainly has.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:58:00 -
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"industrial" fishing is going to end up the future if people still want the Fulton Street Fish Market to be loaded with fishes every morning. and by industrial i mean fish raised and breed for being food. some universities and research institutions here in the US are working on ways to maintain mass fish usage without the need to fish the general oceans dry.
however will people accept farm fish and will the industry of fishing from boats ever let this take off.
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.16 23:48:00 -
[55]
Edited by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT''CMEPTHNK on 16/04/2009 23:49:28
aaHA!
i knows
SOYLENT GREEN!!!
high in essential oils and protein and nutrients, perfect....
now wheres me recycling truck, i got's a pick up to do......
i gots some fishy frenchies to harvest.....
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Abraham Azadian
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.17 06:07:00 -
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lol@britards emoraging and acting all tough on the internet. Every time your gov gives you the shaft you go to some forum and whine, at least we do act in France.
And to the ignorant ****s who talk about surrender and invasion why don't you just go learn some history (a good chunk of your kings were from french ascent, hell richard lionheart never spoke an effing word of english).
British officer : "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour."
Surcouf : "A man fights for what he lacks the most!"
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.17 06:28:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Malcanis
Are you saying that fishing hasn't destroyed fish stocks?
Because it most certainly has.
like i said they dont do it for fun they do it for money, we pay them to do that then we give away money from our tax for some protection programs
aren't we incredibly stupid ?
(we=consumers)
btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.04.17 06:42:00 -
[58]
Ramming speed ahead
who wants to set up a blockade now
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Malcanis
Are you saying that fishing hasn't destroyed fish stocks?
Because it most certainly has.
like i said they dont do it for fun they do it for money, we pay them to do that then we give away money from our tax for some protection programs
aren't we incredibly stupid ?
(we=consumers)
Who cares, frankly. Seriously, what difference does it make? The fact is that they will have to stop doing it, either now, to conserve what stocks remain, or in 5-10 years when no stocks remain.
Your argument that they're only doing it for the money does not inspire any sympathy whatsoever in my heart. I don't think anyone was accusing them of doing it for fun.
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Le Cardinal
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:51:00 -
[60]
I come from a family with long tradisions in fishing. I come from Norway where the quote system is quite strict. Yes theres the "land what you get" rule. No dumping of catch at sea etc. Norwegian government try to restrict fishing in areas that are in danger of extincsion. And they try at best to keep areas like the barentsea under supervision. And each time norway try to restrict quotas to protect fish from extincsion EU whines about it.
Ive also worked at the factory and on a fishing vessel. My family have never complained about the quotas they received. They tried to run the factory and vessel as good as possible. But in the end they had to close the business. My point is that i find it quite offensive when ppl indirectly call my family leeches and criminals or lesser intelligent. They were in no other position than ppl in industrial branches are today. Trying to make a living of fishery isnt as lucrative as ppl think. Not from the owners side.
Having strict control of areas is a neccessity.
And to the person calling fishermen less intelligent: You sir are a complete moron.
Thats all from me.
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