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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 17/04/2009 11:58:24
Originally by: Malcanis Who cares, frankly. Seriously, what difference does it make? The fact is that they will have to stop doing it, either now, to conserve what stocks remain, or in 5-10 years when no stocks remain.
if there is demand and profit always will be ppl to provide that type of product/service even if legal or not, i expect soon that ships will take fish from protected areas and things like that the contraband will be again on the sea. the most popular example is ivory, is illegal to kill elephants but there is a demand for ivory and that leads to contraband you dont want to accept that the main problem is the demand and i cant do anything about that btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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Le Cardinal
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.17 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 17/04/2009 11:58:24
Originally by: Malcanis Who cares, frankly. Seriously, what difference does it make? The fact is that they will have to stop doing it, either now, to conserve what stocks remain, or in 5-10 years when no stocks remain.
if there is demand and profit always will be ppl to provide that type of product/service even if legal or not, i expect soon that ships will take fish from protected areas and things like that the contraband will be again on the sea. the most popular example is ivory, is illegal to kill elephants but there is a demand for ivory and that leads to contraband you dont want to accept that the main problem is the demand and i cant do anything about that
That already happens today with spanish and british vessel fishing within Norwegian soveregnity and they dont care wether its regulated areas or not. 4-5 years ago there was a british fishing vessel that broke norwegian regulation laws. Coastguard caught up with him and tried to stop the vessel. But the captain of the fishing vessel just burnt for international waters and managed to escape. Coastguard could have just sunk them but i guess the political mess it would cause was too much hassle to deal with. If it were a russian vessel however things might have turned out different. They get towed in quite often.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 17/04/2009 11:58:24
Originally by: Malcanis Who cares, frankly. Seriously, what difference does it make? The fact is that they will have to stop doing it, either now, to conserve what stocks remain, or in 5-10 years when no stocks remain.
if there is demand and profit always will be ppl to provide that type of product/service even if legal or not, i expect soon that ships will take fish from protected areas and things like that the contraband will be again on the sea. the most popular example is ivory, is illegal to kill elephants but there is a demand for ivory and that leads to contraband you dont want to accept that the main problem is the demand and i cant do anything about that
I understand what you're saying, but the fact that people will pay for ivory in no way excuses poachers.
Are you sure you want to liken fishermen to elephant poachers?
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2009.04.18 06:58:00 -
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Man...why did we(the US) every free France from the Germans. We would have been so much better off. 
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Abraham Azadian
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.18 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Man...why did we(the US) every free France from the Germans. We would have been so much better off. 
And after,the raging britards we're getting a nice specimen of emo ameritard. Remember Yorktown ?
And if you haven't come to "free" us we would surely be speaking russian and not german by now (and you'll still be ****ting in your pants when thinking about a commie invasion of your homeland).
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British officer : "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour." Surcouf : "A man fights for what he lacks the most!"
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.18 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 18/04/2009 07:37:15
Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Man...why did we(the US) every free France from the Germans. We would have been so much better off. 
Who won the Vietnam war again? According to quite a few US school books it was the US and that just shows much of a inferiority complex the US has. It has to blatantly lie in school books to make itself look better.
WWII was lost at Stalingrad. Germany was in retreat for more than two years before Normandy and who gave the US its independence? Wasn't that the biggest mistake the French made?
So, in short, what has the US achieved in 50 years? Invading, plundering and destroying other countries just to please corporations all the while bankrupting yourself has been the greatest achievement.
The truth hurts doesn't it Ameritard? Now stfu and gtfo.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.18 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I understand what you're saying, but the fact that people will pay for ivory in no way excuses poachers.
of course is not a excuse is only the cause btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
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nahtoh
Caldari Fleet of the Damned Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.04.19 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: nahtoh on 19/04/2009 01:21:02
Originally by: Abraham Azadian lol@britards emoraging and acting all tough on the internet. Every time your gov gives you the shaft you go to some forum and whine, at least we do act in France. And to the ignorant ****s who talk about surrender and invasion why don't you just go learn some history (a good chunk of your kings were from french ascent, hell richard lionheart never spoke an effing word of english).
..!.. from a Scot that knows enugh history to know the french are buch of tossers.
Nothing against fisherman per say...but pretty much up the french... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |

Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.04.19 07:10:00 -
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I heard the whole 'fish farming' thing was pretty sustainable.
I also heard the government can issue taxes on pretty much anything it wants.
I also really heard that people don't buy farmed fish because it costs more.
I also totally really heard that the government can tax wild fish so that it costs the same (or more) as farmed fish.
Then they can subsidize the industry so everyone (not) can start farming fish.
Problem solved. Crisis averted.
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henshaw
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.19 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Abraham Azadian lol@britards emoraging and acting all tough on the internet. Every time your gov gives you the shaft you go to some forum and whine, at least we do act in France. And to the ignorant ****s who talk about surrender and invasion why don't you just go learn some history (a good chunk of your kings were from french ascent, hell richard lionheart never spoke an effing word of english).
well he certainly wasn't french if you read your history correctly he was born in beaumont palace in oxford (which iirc is in ENGLAND) the fact he hardly spoke english is beyond me maybe it was the fashion at the time to speak french. no idea why tho.
but to regards with this fishing blockade is a typical way for the french to get there way YET again. one of the biggest countries in the EU the receive the biggest handouts and pay in half what every other country pays.
what i would really like to see is the brit farmers/truck drivers blockade the french from coming in, like they have done to the brits over the past 2-3 decades and see how they like it. but it wont happen because the EU will give nice fat handouts to the french and fine the brits.
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Abraham Azadian
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.19 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: henshaw
well he certainly wasn't french if you read your history correctly he was born in beaumont palace in oxford (which iirc is in ENGLAND) the fact he hardly spoke english is beyond me maybe it was the fashion at the time to speak french. no idea why tho.
Which part of "french ascent" is not proper english ? Reading skills much ?
Originally by: henshaw
but to regards with this fishing blockade is a typical way for the french to get there way YET again. one of the biggest countries in the EU the receive the biggest handouts and pay in half what every other country pays.
Ignorance is a bliss, ain't it ?
Originally by: henshaw
what i would really like to see is the brit farmers/truck drivers blockade the french from coming in, like they have done to the brits over the past 2-3 decades and see how they like it. but it wont happen because the EU will give nice fat handouts to the french and fine the brits.
Stop living on your fantasy island. Europe is not after "teh poor brits" ...
British officer : "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour." Surcouf : "A man fights for what he lacks the most!"
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Noodly Appendage
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Posted - 2009.04.19 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail I agree entirely, but they wouldn't be fishermen if they were geniuses.
i laughed a little
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.04.19 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: henshaw
Originally by: Abraham Azadian lol@britards emoraging and acting all tough on the internet. Every time your gov gives you the shaft you go to some forum and whine, at least we do act in France. And to the ignorant ****s who talk about surrender and invasion why don't you just go learn some history (a good chunk of your kings were from french ascent, hell richard lionheart never spoke an effing word of english).
well he certainly wasn't french if you read your history correctly he was born in beaumont palace in oxford (which iirc is in ENGLAND) the fact he hardly spoke english is beyond me maybe it was the fashion at the time to speak french. no idea why tho.
but to regards with this fishing blockade is a typical way for the french to get there way YET again. one of the biggest countries in the EU the receive the biggest handouts and pay in half what every other country pays.
what i would really like to see is the brit farmers/truck drivers blockade the french from coming in, like they have done to the brits over the past 2-3 decades and see how they like it. but it wont happen because the EU will give nice fat handouts to the french and fine the brits.
Richard the Lionheart, along with all of the ruling class in Britain, were basically still French at this time. I'm sure someone such as you, who reads their history correctly, will remember the year 1066 ;). Richard couldn't stand England, hardly ever came here, and couldn't speek the language. As long as the English kept paying him their taxes for his wars in France and his Crusade, he wanted nothing more to do with the place. You are also very out of date with your EU handouts quip.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.04.19 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: dr doooo remember the year 1066
I thought the concept of the nation state wasn't really around until several (7?) centuries after this. So, talking about "Britain" or "french" doesn't have the same meaning; "Incommensurability of paradigms" I think would be the fancy-pants term for it.
Also, France, like most of Europe, is just struggling with the fact that they are no longer relevant on the world stage. And theyre a bunch of whiners. We have the same problem with french-canadians. In before Ralara. |

dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.04.19 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: dr doooo remember the year 1066
I thought the concept of the nation state wasn't really around until several (7?) centuries after this. So, talking about "Britain" or "french" doesn't have the same meaning; "Incommensurability of paradigms" I think would be the fancy-pants term for it.
Also, France, like most of Europe, is just struggling with the fact that they are no longer relevant on the world stage. And theyre a bunch of whiners. We have the same problem with french-canadians.
That first reference to Britain was a typo, and should have read England like the rest of the paragraph, although I would guess that you may have already realised that. As for your 'incommensurability of paradigms', I think we are definitely looking at 'pedantic fancy-pantsism' here. The England and France of the 12th Century that we are talking about here are obviously not the modern fully signed up competitors of the Eurovision song contest that we all know, but if you go into any library or bookshop and look for a history of England or France, almost all will start at least 200 years before Richard 1.
As for France struggling with being no longer relevant on the world stage?? I would think that they currently 'punch above their weight', both within Europe and Globally. Were they more relevant at some point in the recent past?
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Onus Mian
Amarr Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.19 20:13:00 -
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Why did this become a slagging match between the English, French and Americans? Its not like any of you can claim any involvement in historical events. Relying on your ancestors achievements (Assuming your ancestors were involved in important events and didn't spend their lives shoveling cow ****) to bolster your image is pretty pathetic.
The orginal issue was the environment should take priority of economic activities. Especially when those activities are unsustainable. ----
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.19 22:39:00 -
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Well said Onus.
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Tractormech
Caldari Fortune's Fools Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2009.04.19 23:25:00 -
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The French fisherman are nuts. I've heard of it in the news, they have even been coming into Canadian waters, claiming fishing rights here. Nevermind ITS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN OCEAN.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.04.20 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tractormech The French fisherman are nuts. I've heard of it in the news, they have even been coming into Canadian waters, claiming fishing rights here. Nevermind ITS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN OCEAN.
Everyone does that, cause WE STILL HAVE (some) FISH. In before Ralara. |

Abraham Azadian
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.20 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Onus Mian Why did this become a slagging match between the English, French and Americans? Its not like any of you can claim any involvement in historical events. Relying on your ancestors achievements (Assuming your ancestors were involved in important events and didn't spend their lives shoveling cow ****) to bolster your image is pretty pathetic.
Sorry for the hijack Onus, but I'm getting tired of the "surrender" bull****, I have no beef against your fellow countrymen or americans (hell I've been playing with some of them since almost five years now) but I can't stand tards.
Originally by: Tractormech The French fisherman are nuts. I've heard of it in the news, they have even been coming into Canadian waters, claiming fishing rights here. Nevermind ITS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN OCEAN.
Sorry to bust your bubble but we do have fishing rights there.
British officer : "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour." Surcouf : "A man fights for what he lacks the most!"
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.04.20 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Brea Lafail on 20/04/2009 13:09:42
Originally by: Abraham Azadian Sorry to bust your bubble but we do have fishing rights there.
If you read your own link, you'd see that you are wrong. In before Ralara. |

Abraham Azadian
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.20 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail Edited by: Brea Lafail on 20/04/2009 13:09:42
Originally by: Abraham Azadian Sorry to bust your bubble but we do have fishing rights there.
If you read your own link, you'd see that you are wrong.
Do you mean this part ?
Quote: The islands were dependent upon the cod fishery for the best part of the last four centuries. However, overfishing on the Grand Banks has led Canada to impose a long-term closure of this industry. Since fishing quotas are governed by Canada, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon and the French fishing fleet (whether based out of the islands or out of mainland France) have been seriously affected.
Read it again and think. Fishing rights, not control or anything. And quotas don't mean ban.
British officer : "You French fight for money, while we British fight for honour." Surcouf : "A man fights for what he lacks the most!"
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.21 08:57:00 -
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Proof that there is more than enough fish in the sea... for another few years.
Quote: Eighty-eight percent of EU stocks are fished beyond their maximum sustainable yield - the highest catch that can be maintained over an indefinite period - and for some, such as North Sea cod, the vast majority of fish are caught before they have reproduced.
Quote: # differentiating between the rights of small-scale community-based coastal fishing boats and large industrial concerns
As we can see the problem isn't the fishing, it's the greed of large firms who are, as always, only after short term profits because they're too ******ed to realise that the concept of 'profit above all' is unsustainable and because governments are backwards and only care about themselves.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.04.21 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Abraham Azadian
Quote: The islands were dependent upon the cod fishery for the best part of the last four centuries. However, overfishing on the Grand Banks has led Canada to impose a long-term closure of this industry. Since fishing quotas are governed by Canada, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon and the French fishing fleet (whether based out of the islands or out of mainland France) have been seriously affected.
Read it again and think. Fishing rights, not control or anything. And quotas don't mean ban.
That part and the bit about the bit of sea the French have rights to is fairly small and extends south, AWAY FROM CANADA. WHAT ARE YOU DOING BY NEWFOUNDLAND? In before Ralara. |
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