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Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:09:00 - [1] I have noticed that much of the discussions around piracy and pvp in general revolve around the concept of a fair fight. There is no such thing as a fair fight. There are differences in skill points, modules and combat exp. Then there is the biggest differences, player intelligence and aptitude for EVE combat. I have a friend who is a tanker in the US army. He is a decorated war vet and terrible at EVE combat. For some reason he just doesn't get it. So lets just lose this idea of a fair fight because there isn't one to be found.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:09:00 - [2] I have noticed that much of the discussions around piracy and pvp in general revolve around the concept of a fair fight. There is no such thing as a fair fight. There are differences in skill points, modules and combat exp. Then there is the biggest differences, player intelligence and aptitude for EVE combat. I have a friend who is a tanker in the US army. He is a decorated war vet and terrible at EVE combat. For some reason he just doesn't get it. So lets just lose this idea of a fair fight because there isn't one to be found.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:15:00 - [3] Agreed. Fair fight: no such thing. Fair chance: another matter
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:15:00 - [4] Agreed. Fair fight: no such thing. Fair chance: another matter
Gundog Prime	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:20:00 - [5] I have heard people say that those who don't fight a 'fair' fight have no skillz... I think what some people seem to fail to grasp is that NOT fighting in so called 'fair' fights is a skill in itself -------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected] - BEWARE THE CHEAP PAINT SIG -- Joshua Calvert, the true gamer's gamer
Gundog Prime	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:20:00 - [6] I have heard people say that those who don't fight a 'fair' fight have no skillz... I think what some people seem to fail to grasp is that NOT fighting in so called 'fair' fights is a skill in itself -------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected] - BEWARE THE CHEAP PAINT SIG -- Joshua Calvert, the true gamer's gamer
Miso	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:23:00 - [7] People who cry "that wasn't a fair fight" are just **ed cos they got ganked. Fair fighting is for losers. You'd think that after you'd just lost your ship, you'd want to retain some integrity too, instead of crying in local about it and looking like a **. I just don't understand some people. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Miso	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:23:00 - [8] People who cry "that wasn't a fair fight" are just **ed cos they got ganked. Fair fighting is for losers. You'd think that after you'd just lost your ship, you'd want to retain some integrity too, instead of crying in local about it and looking like a **. I just don't understand some people. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:24:00 - [9] 100% agreement. Let's cut the game crap for a second and be serious: I am ex-military, as is almost every member of my corp. We have ex-Army, Air Force and Marine real life experiences to draw from. This concept of people thinking that combat is about being fair or that war is some noble concept where lone pilots square off is just fantasy. When at war, an aggressor uses every single advantage available to utterly crush an enemy. These ideals are mirrored in EVE. Superior tactics, feints leading to ambushes, misdirection... these are all just tools for victory. Anyone who gets upset they got owned should take a step back and ask themselves if the roles had been reversed what they would have done differently. Not a damn thing. Every single military commander in this game will and should use every advantage they have short of actually exploiting the game mechanic, be it numerical , a matter of experience or just plain out thinking your enemy. I can see how sometimes the big alliances like SA or CA might want to stage a good slugfest, but 99% of PvP is about ganking and killing your foe while suffering minimal damage yourself. It's like this in real life. It's like this in EVE. "Fair fight"? Even the 'roids don't have a chance to defend against the evil mining lasers. What's fair about that? - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:24:00 - [10] 100% agreement. Let's cut the game crap for a second and be serious: I am ex-military, as is almost every member of my corp. We have ex-Army, Air Force and Marine real life experiences to draw from. This concept of people thinking that combat is about being fair or that war is some noble concept where lone pilots square off is just fantasy. When at war, an aggressor uses every single advantage available to utterly crush an enemy. These ideals are mirrored in EVE. Superior tactics, feints leading to ambushes, misdirection... these are all just tools for victory. Anyone who gets upset they got owned should take a step back and ask themselves if the roles had been reversed what they would have done differently. Not a damn thing. Every single military commander in this game will and should use every advantage they have short of actually exploiting the game mechanic, be it numerical , a matter of experience or just plain out thinking your enemy. I can see how sometimes the big alliances like SA or CA might want to stage a good slugfest, but 99% of PvP is about ganking and killing your foe while suffering minimal damage yourself. It's like this in real life. It's like this in EVE. "Fair fight"? Even the 'roids don't have a chance to defend against the evil mining lasers. What's fair about that? - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!

Ulendar	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:24:00 - [11] Actually...the biggest advantage you can have in PVP is your characters skills. You can say whatever you want about 'skillz' but in EVE 'skillz' don't mean much if your character doesn't have any. What you do in EVE is grow accustomed to PVP and learn how to fit your ship... I find that its alot like playing a tabletop card game like magic the gathering or star trek or what have you. Also there is PVP and PVP...you can go out and attack lone fighters (as a pirate) and have little 1v1's or 1v2's or you can go out with a group of buddies and have some small skirmishes with other bands of friends/corp or sit at some gate and just gank whatever comes by and then there is the large fleet battle blobwar thing where people shoot with megalongrange ammo for puny damage at eachother from 100+ km away. :P There is all sort of PVP in this game really but none of it is really 'fair', no fight ever is. If you pick a fight with a pro bodybuilder and get stumped into a bloodstain i guess thats not really fair either cause he has bigger muscles... I can't really say i have seen alot of people complain about fair fights though. If you take out all the sore loosers there aren't alot of people left who are complaining about non fair fights ;) Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:24:00 - [12] Actually...the biggest advantage you can have in PVP is your characters skills. You can say whatever you want about 'skillz' but in EVE 'skillz' don't mean much if your character doesn't have any. What you do in EVE is grow accustomed to PVP and learn how to fit your ship... I find that its alot like playing a tabletop card game like magic the gathering or star trek or what have you. Also there is PVP and PVP...you can go out and attack lone fighters (as a pirate) and have little 1v1's or 1v2's or you can go out with a group of buddies and have some small skirmishes with other bands of friends/corp or sit at some gate and just gank whatever comes by and then there is the large fleet battle blobwar thing where people shoot with megalongrange ammo for puny damage at eachother from 100+ km away. :P There is all sort of PVP in this game really but none of it is really 'fair', no fight ever is. If you pick a fight with a pro bodybuilder and get stumped into a bloodstain i guess thats not really fair either cause he has bigger muscles... I can't really say i have seen alot of people complain about fair fights though. If you take out all the sore loosers there aren't alot of people left who are complaining about non fair fights ;) Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:33:00 - [13] fair fight = all depends on personal skills and so imho nearly everyfight is a fair fight, both have the same possibilities Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:33:00 - [14] fair fight = all depends on personal skills and so imho nearly everyfight is a fair fight, both have the same possibilities Wanna fly with me?
ErrorS	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:42:00 - [15] I never understood people complaining about people not fighting fair.. made no sense to me but whatever, with only 4 months under my belt I am still a newb. So I have no right to tell some of these 8+ month veterans that they're complaints are stupid. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
ErrorS	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:42:00 - [16] I never understood people complaining about people not fighting fair.. made no sense to me but whatever, with only 4 months under my belt I am still a newb. So I have no right to tell some of these 8+ month veterans that they're complaints are stupid. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:46:00 - [17] Agreed. I think the only real factor in PvP is experience. You can think you have seen it all but until you have, then you are just a sitting duck until you experience it. ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:46:00 - [18] Agreed. I think the only real factor in PvP is experience. You can think you have seen it all but until you have, then you are just a sitting duck until you experience it. ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Siddy	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:59:00 - [19] took you long enought to figure it -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.08.27 13:59:00 - [20] took you long enought to figure it -------------------------------------------

Latex Mistress	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:08:00 - [21] Fair Read the definition and you begin to see that the words "fair" and "fight" don't ever belong next to one another. A "fight" in EVE implies a war, maybe not a declared war, but the end result is that somebody is gonna die, so even if there were any rules, they fly right out the window. When you lose in 0.0, you don't just get your nose bloodied: you're lucky if you escape w/ your pod. So let all the carebears and whiners understand this: losing sucks, and your opponent is going to do everything in their power to make sure that you don't stand a chance. The only exception that I see in this is 3 Apocabomb's sitting at a gate playing disco and insta-podding you. This is a game, and PvP is very much part of that, but insta-podding any and everything that comes through a gate isn't PvP, it's not even cool. But if it gets too popular, it'll get nerfed. If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:08:00 - [22] Fair Read the definition and you begin to see that the words "fair" and "fight" don't ever belong next to one another. A "fight" in EVE implies a war, maybe not a declared war, but the end result is that somebody is gonna die, so even if there were any rules, they fly right out the window. When you lose in 0.0, you don't just get your nose bloodied: you're lucky if you escape w/ your pod. So let all the carebears and whiners understand this: losing sucks, and your opponent is going to do everything in their power to make sure that you don't stand a chance. The only exception that I see in this is 3 Apocabomb's sitting at a gate playing disco and insta-podding you. This is a game, and PvP is very much part of that, but insta-podding any and everything that comes through a gate isn't PvP, it's not even cool. But if it gets too popular, it'll get nerfed. If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Miso	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Siddy took you long enought to figure it No, we're trying to point out to others that cry about it on the forums al the time. Try reading the thread before posting -------------------------------------------- Dead
Miso	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Siddy took you long enought to figure it No, we're trying to point out to others that cry about it on the forums al the time. Try reading the thread before posting -------------------------------------------- Dead
Tarm	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:43:00 - [25] If you've found yourself in a fair fight you've done something wrong and need to smack your scouts. -------------------
Tarm	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:43:00 - [26] If you've found yourself in a fair fight you've done something wrong and need to smack your scouts. -------------------
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:46:00 - [27] I agree... You guys know I fight you on almost everything concerning "pirating" in this game (so the DEV's don't let it turn into a free for all gankfest anywhere but 1.0 space), but asking for a fair fight in PvP is absurd... Only time you can ask for fairness of this type is in athletic competition. PvP in EVE is certainly not soley a skills competition, it's mainly about WAR... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 14:46:00 - [28] I agree... You guys know I fight you on almost everything concerning "pirating" in this game (so the DEV's don't let it turn into a free for all gankfest anywhere but 1.0 space), but asking for a fair fight in PvP is absurd... Only time you can ask for fairness of this type is in athletic competition. PvP in EVE is certainly not soley a skills competition, it's mainly about WAR... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Tolkh	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:03:00 - [29] When I play a PvP game I never expect a fair fight or a balanced match between 2 party for that matter, 1f I get into one Im pleasantly surprised. The only thing I ask for is a reasonable counter to every tactics so there is enough depth to put my brain to use. I also expect the game mechanics to take care of cheesy tactics, like the usual high level newbie gankers in newbie land who enjoy winning but don't want to risk losing. Sadly I'm also starting to hate massive battles where everyone flocks, which usually means lag fest...I really hate lag .
Tolkh	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:03:00 - [30] When I play a PvP game I never expect a fair fight or a balanced match between 2 party for that matter, 1f I get into one Im pleasantly surprised. The only thing I ask for is a reasonable counter to every tactics so there is enough depth to put my brain to use. I also expect the game mechanics to take care of cheesy tactics, like the usual high level newbie gankers in newbie land who enjoy winning but don't want to risk losing. Sadly I'm also starting to hate massive battles where everyone flocks, which usually means lag fest...I really hate lag .

Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:08:00 - [31] Quote: I really hate lag It's a game killer for me... I have yet to be lagged out in fleet battles, cause I've never been in one... I suspect if and when I lose a ship to lag, I'll simply stay away from laggy situations untill CCP fixes it... Although, I suspect fleet battle lag will never go away... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:08:00 - [32] Quote: I really hate lag It's a game killer for me... I have yet to be lagged out in fleet battles, cause I've never been in one... I suspect if and when I lose a ship to lag, I'll simply stay away from laggy situations untill CCP fixes it... Although, I suspect fleet battle lag will never go away... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Selim	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:16:00 - [33] I always fight against equal or superior numbers, anything less is pretty boring unless they are really good fighters. This also probably explains why I lose my ships so often.
Selim	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:16:00 - [34] I always fight against equal or superior numbers, anything less is pretty boring unless they are really good fighters. This also probably explains why I lose my ships so often.
Koda	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:33:00 - [35] Full time Pvp'ers have an advantage in fights, be they "fair" or otherwise, not only because of their combat experience but also because they're usually already fitted for Pvp. Good Pvp'ers will also do everything in their power to control the situation, i.e. picking the target, location and timing of the fight(if possible) to their advantage. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Koda	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:33:00 - [36] Full time Pvp'ers have an advantage in fights, be they "fair" or otherwise, not only because of their combat experience but also because they're usually already fitted for Pvp. Good Pvp'ers will also do everything in their power to control the situation, i.e. picking the target, location and timing of the fight(if possible) to their advantage. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:46:00 - [37] This again, someone quote Patton already and be done with it. The same people that say it's only a game now say they won't ever play unless the odds are stacked heavily in their favor. I say you're pancys. The only way you're going to prove to anyone that you're an able pilot is by taking on equal or greater numbers and win. Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:46:00 - [38] This again, someone quote Patton already and be done with it. The same people that say it's only a game now say they won't ever play unless the odds are stacked heavily in their favor. I say you're pancys. The only way you're going to prove to anyone that you're an able pilot is by taking on equal or greater numbers and win. Convert Stations
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:57:00 - [39] Read sig :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.08.27 15:57:00 - [40] Read sig :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!

Jay Gatsby	Posted - 2004.08.27 17:19:00 - [41] Right. A fair fight will only ever occur in a tournament, whether officially organised, as the Amarr Championships, or an impromptu get together: "fancy a frigate duel next week?". They are controlled, they have rules and they are contested by consent. In the real world, there ain't no rules beyond the game mechanics. You take your life in your hands every time you press that "undock" button. Let "never bring a knife to a gun-fight" be your rule to live by. If you've got a problem with another player, make sure you bring a bigger stick to the fight than he does, otherwise run, and run fast. It's worse than stupid, it's criminal, to fight a battle that you haven't already won unless you absolutely, utterly, must. Make some friends, carry a big stick, play smart, and remember that revenge can be enormously satisfying.
Jay Gatsby	Posted - 2004.08.27 17:19:00 - [42] Right. A fair fight will only ever occur in a tournament, whether officially organised, as the Amarr Championships, or an impromptu get together: "fancy a frigate duel next week?". They are controlled, they have rules and they are contested by consent. In the real world, there ain't no rules beyond the game mechanics. You take your life in your hands every time you press that "undock" button. Let "never bring a knife to a gun-fight" be your rule to live by. If you've got a problem with another player, make sure you bring a bigger stick to the fight than he does, otherwise run, and run fast. It's worse than stupid, it's criminal, to fight a battle that you haven't already won unless you absolutely, utterly, must. Make some friends, carry a big stick, play smart, and remember that revenge can be enormously satisfying.
Kynoch	Posted - 2004.08.27 17:37:00 - [43] Edited by: Kynoch on 27/08/2004 17:39:59 Edited by: Kynoch on 27/08/2004 17:39:15 Lets not confuse the notion of "Fair" fighting with what usually occurrs in so-called PVP. Killing indys is not a fight and really not PVP in the truest sense. Ganking a noob in his Ibis with his civy gatlin as his only protection is tantamount to killing kittens so is not fighting either. I consider PVP as being a group or individuals trying to kill each other...not hiting a mining op or popping shuttles etc. Just because your opponent is more skilled than you doesnt mean he has an unfair advantage. The "Fair" comes in when you and he "agree" to attack each other by engaging in combat. Whether you are vastly outnumbered or not, you are in combat and it is indeed fair. Ganking noobs trying to mine is, again, not PVP..its Ahole-V-P.
Kynoch	Posted - 2004.08.27 17:37:00 - [44] Edited by: Kynoch on 27/08/2004 17:39:59 Edited by: Kynoch on 27/08/2004 17:39:15 Lets not confuse the notion of "Fair" fighting with what usually occurrs in so-called PVP. Killing indys is not a fight and really not PVP in the truest sense. Ganking a noob in his Ibis with his civy gatlin as his only protection is tantamount to killing kittens so is not fighting either. I consider PVP as being a group or individuals trying to kill each other...not hiting a mining op or popping shuttles etc. Just because your opponent is more skilled than you doesnt mean he has an unfair advantage. The "Fair" comes in when you and he "agree" to attack each other by engaging in combat. Whether you are vastly outnumbered or not, you are in combat and it is indeed fair. Ganking noobs trying to mine is, again, not PVP..its Ahole-V-P.
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 17:47:00 - [45] Quote: Just because your opponent is more skilled than you doesnt mean he has an unfair advantage. The "Fair" comes in when you and he "agree" to attack each other by engaging in combat. Whether you are vastly outnumbered or not, you are in combat and it is indeed fair. Ganking noobs trying to mine is, again, not PVP..its Ahole-V-P I agree with this, but to the "typical" PvP'er, that miner deserved to die, because he should not be allowed to be in whatever system he is in without protection... It's a gaming mindset that you will never change, it's up to the DEV's to make the game "fair", because PvP'ers are just not going to play with any kind of code of honor... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 17:47:00 - [46] Quote: Just because your opponent is more skilled than you doesnt mean he has an unfair advantage. The "Fair" comes in when you and he "agree" to attack each other by engaging in combat. Whether you are vastly outnumbered or not, you are in combat and it is indeed fair. Ganking noobs trying to mine is, again, not PVP..its Ahole-V-P I agree with this, but to the "typical" PvP'er, that miner deserved to die, because he should not be allowed to be in whatever system he is in without protection... It's a gaming mindset that you will never change, it's up to the DEV's to make the game "fair", because PvP'ers are just not going to play with any kind of code of honor... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.08.27 19:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Just because your opponent is more skilled than you doesnt mean he has an unfair advantage. The "Fair" comes in when you and he "agree" to attack each other by engaging in combat. Whether you are vastly outnumbered or not, you are in combat and it is indeed fair. Ganking noobs trying to mine is, again, not PVP..its Ahole-V-P I agree with this, but to the "typical" PvP'er, that miner deserved to die, because he should not be allowed to be in whatever system he is in without protection... It's a gaming mindset that you will never change, it's up to the DEV's to make the game "fair", because PvP'ers are just not going to play with any kind of code of honor... Hah, bhaal at it again. People take on roles in this game, whether they be pirate or a fighter for the alliance yours is at war with. It has nothing to do with honor, its called doing your job.. whether for profit or to futher the war effort. If the agressor used invalid game mechanics to find you and kill you, or podded you after saying you can leave if you pay the toll.. then that would be dishonourable. Getting isk or good stuff out of the people I shoot takes effort just as mining does. And you have the same tools to use as I do. You can check to see what is in local, and you can look on the scanner to see what ship I'm flying. Thats about as fair as anything gets in this game. Oh, and how long does it take to warp these days? Under 10 seconds with microwarp drive? If I find you in under a minute with my scanner, then you're obviously not paying attention to who is sneaking up on you. If you lack evasion skills, you will die a lot. I can respect people trying to mine, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be nice to your ship and pod when you're in 0.0 or low sec empire. More isk, more risk. You enter low sec space knowing that concord or sentries may not help you, because you get a popup message. You essentially want the devs to make the game "fair" (whatever that means to you) so the little guy can safely mine or npc where its dangerous? If the little guy has no experience and no skillpoints, what will happen with the people that are at the top? Fighting fair, no. Fighting honorably, yes. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.08.27 19:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Just because your opponent is more skilled than you doesnt mean he has an unfair advantage. The "Fair" comes in when you and he "agree" to attack each other by engaging in combat. Whether you are vastly outnumbered or not, you are in combat and it is indeed fair. Ganking noobs trying to mine is, again, not PVP..its Ahole-V-P I agree with this, but to the "typical" PvP'er, that miner deserved to die, because he should not be allowed to be in whatever system he is in without protection... It's a gaming mindset that you will never change, it's up to the DEV's to make the game "fair", because PvP'ers are just not going to play with any kind of code of honor... Hah, bhaal at it again. People take on roles in this game, whether they be pirate or a fighter for the alliance yours is at war with. It has nothing to do with honor, its called doing your job.. whether for profit or to futher the war effort. If the agressor used invalid game mechanics to find you and kill you, or podded you after saying you can leave if you pay the toll.. then that would be dishonourable. Getting isk or good stuff out of the people I shoot takes effort just as mining does. And you have the same tools to use as I do. You can check to see what is in local, and you can look on the scanner to see what ship I'm flying. Thats about as fair as anything gets in this game. Oh, and how long does it take to warp these days? Under 10 seconds with microwarp drive? If I find you in under a minute with my scanner, then you're obviously not paying attention to who is sneaking up on you. If you lack evasion skills, you will die a lot. I can respect people trying to mine, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be nice to your ship and pod when you're in 0.0 or low sec empire. More isk, more risk. You enter low sec space knowing that concord or sentries may not help you, because you get a popup message. You essentially want the devs to make the game "fair" (whatever that means to you) so the little guy can safely mine or npc where its dangerous? If the little guy has no experience and no skillpoints, what will happen with the people that are at the top? Fighting fair, no. Fighting honorably, yes. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.08.27 19:08:00 - [49] Fair fights are for pussies. Eve is all about ganks. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.08.27 19:08:00 - [50] Fair fights are for pussies. Eve is all about ganks. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 19:47:00 - [51] Quote: You essentially want the devs to make the game "fair" (whatever that means to you) so the little guy can safely mine or npc where its dangerous? Yes, and for the most part they have... 0.5 to 1.0 is now what it should be, as I have been petitioning for since day 1... 0.0 is certainly fine the way it is, lawlessness rules, as it should... 0.1 to 0.4 will almost always need tweaking & balancing... But for the most part, yes it's fair... It took CCP quite some time to get where they are, but it's definitely better today, than it was 8/27/03... Back then, it most definitely favored the greifer... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.27 19:47:00 - [52] Quote: You essentially want the devs to make the game "fair" (whatever that means to you) so the little guy can safely mine or npc where its dangerous? Yes, and for the most part they have... 0.5 to 1.0 is now what it should be, as I have been petitioning for since day 1... 0.0 is certainly fine the way it is, lawlessness rules, as it should... 0.1 to 0.4 will almost always need tweaking & balancing... But for the most part, yes it's fair... It took CCP quite some time to get where they are, but it's definitely better today, than it was 8/27/03... Back then, it most definitely favored the greifer... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.08.27 20:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Bhaal It's a gaming mindset that you will never change, it's up to the DEV's to make the game "fair", because PvP'ers are just not going to play with any kind of code of honor... Yes, I'll let all the mining battleships I come across go and dock to equip weapons so we can have a fair fight. Oh damn, it seems theyre bugged now, the undock button is only appearing when 4 of their corpmates are in system. Someone really needs to get that nasty little bug fixed. Even better are the 'I'll pay' stalls that end with 7 of their friends coming into system to try to gank you. Then you get the endless stream of smack about how you have no honor for not fighting 5 battleships at once alone. Forgive me if I think piracy is one of the last true professions where the honorable players outnumber the dishonorable ones. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.08.27 20:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Bhaal It's a gaming mindset that you will never change, it's up to the DEV's to make the game "fair", because PvP'ers are just not going to play with any kind of code of honor... Yes, I'll let all the mining battleships I come across go and dock to equip weapons so we can have a fair fight. Oh damn, it seems theyre bugged now, the undock button is only appearing when 4 of their corpmates are in system. Someone really needs to get that nasty little bug fixed. Even better are the 'I'll pay' stalls that end with 7 of their friends coming into system to try to gank you. Then you get the endless stream of smack about how you have no honor for not fighting 5 battleships at once alone. Forgive me if I think piracy is one of the last true professions where the honorable players outnumber the dishonorable ones. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Ichabod Dirange	Posted - 2004.08.27 20:40:00 - [55] Edited by: Ichabod Dirange on 27/08/2004 20:41:29 Quote: Forgive me if I think piracy is one of the last true professions where the honorable players outnumber the dishonorable ones. Ganja didn't quit now did he, you smoked him!
Ichabod Dirange	Posted - 2004.08.27 20:40:00 - [56] Edited by: Ichabod Dirange on 27/08/2004 20:41:29 Quote: Forgive me if I think piracy is one of the last true professions where the honorable players outnumber the dishonorable ones. Ganja didn't quit now did he, you smoked him!
Adriana	Posted - 2004.08.27 21:56:00 - [57] The only fair fights I have ever been in I won. All the other times they were cheating, and I got ganked. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
Adriana	Posted - 2004.08.27 21:56:00 - [58] The only fair fights I have ever been in I won. All the other times they were cheating, and I got ganked. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.08.27 23:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Lansfear on 27/08/2004 23:03:00 God bless you Muad. But the whinning will continue. I almost always fight alone and I still get this crap.
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.08.27 23:01:00 - [60] Edited by: Lansfear on 27/08/2004 23:03:00 God bless you Muad. But the whinning will continue. I almost always fight alone and I still get this crap.



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