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xxxak
Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:36:00 -
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With max skills the new SBs can use torps out past 100KM. People WILL use them.
Also, this is a boost to Huginn's because of the TP bonus.
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TrollmoreX
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:50:00 -
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Boosting matar recons???
This is outrageous!!!
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Jill Velentine
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:57:00 -
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With maxed out skills on the new SB, how much DPS per Second are we talking about here ?
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Mystafyre on 16/04/2009 18:03:41
Originally by: Jill Velentine With maxed out skills on the new SB, how much DPS per Second are we talking about here ?
15% bonus to kinetic torp dmg per cov ops lvl (manticore).. I say atleast 500 dps with faction torps..
EDIT: any fitting tool patched yet?
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mystafyre Edited by: Mystafyre on 16/04/2009 18:03:41
Originally by: Jill Velentine With maxed out skills on the new SB, how much DPS per Second are we talking about here ?
15% bonus to kinetic torp dmg per cov ops lvl (manticore).. I say atleast 500 dps with faction torps..
EDIT: any fitting tool patched yet?
But will it it kill a stabbed rating Drake in 0.0 space? I think only one person knows that.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak With max skills the new SBs can use torps out past 100KM. People WILL use them.
Also, this is a boost to Huginn's because of the TP bonus.
Rapiers + Stealth bombers... Holy hell..
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Cruentiorus
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:06:00 -
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Yeah with faction racials I am doing rough math at 80km torp range, with 350 dps no mods, and 450 with a rig and a BCU. But I don't like math much.
Basically we have the new solo WTFBBQ FTOM, so all the falcon pilots can train caldari frigate V now.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:08:00 -
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I am so going to go ninjaratting with new sb lol
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jill Velentine With maxed out skills on the new SB, how much DPS per Second are we talking about here ?
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How does Damage Per Second break down into Damage Per Second per second? I mean are we talking about the DPS every second second, the DPS every two seconds, or even the second to second DPS rate?
I mean in the first case a 500 rDPS by EFT would be 500 "DPS per second" while in the second case it would be 1,000. If it's the third case then you'll have 0 "DPS per second" anywhere from 5.68539 seconds plus or minus changes in flight time followed by one second of "DPS per second" equal to the alpha strike of the torpedoes.
So really I think a more important question than how much "DPS per second" we're talking about is what sort of "DPS per second" we're talking about. ____________________
Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval. |
Cruentiorus
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:23:00 -
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OK, Base calc = Torps: 680 damage, 2250m/s velocity, 9s flight time
+60% dmg (covert lvl4) +50% Flight Time (frig V) +100% velocity (frig V)
=1088 per missile volley dmg =13.5s flight time =4500 m/s velocity
New Torp on SB = 3264 Volley with a 63km range, instant lock after cloak and 9.8s between volleys.
This means 333 dps with no damage rigs or mods, and this is T1 basic ammo... welcome to Stealth Bomber online.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cruentiorus OK, Base calc = Torps: 680 damage, 2250m/s velocity, 9s flight time
+60% dmg (covert lvl4) +50% Flight Time (frig V) +100% velocity (frig V)
=1088 per missile volley dmg =13.5s flight time =4500 m/s velocity
New Torp on SB = 3264 Volley with a 63km range, instant lock after cloak and 9.8s between volleys.
This means 333 dps with no damage rigs or mods, and this is T1 basic ammo... welcome to Stealth Bomber online.
Does that include missile skills..?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mystafyre
Originally by: Cruentiorus OK, Base calc = Torps: 680 damage, 2250m/s velocity, 9s flight time
+60% dmg (covert lvl4) +50% Flight Time (frig V) +100% velocity (frig V)
=1088 per missile volley dmg =13.5s flight time =4500 m/s velocity
New Torp on SB = 3264 Volley with a 63km range, instant lock after cloak and 9.8s between volleys.
This means 333 dps with no damage rigs or mods, and this is T1 basic ammo... welcome to Stealth Bomber online.
Does that include missile skills..?
It appears to. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 16/04/2009 18:51:40 Good luck hitting anything smaller then a cruiser that's moving.
However.
Having an actual "Bomber" is pretty bad ass. If it's sitting still, holy hell it does alot of damage. Stop, hammer time. |
Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cruentiorus OK, Base calc = Torps: 680 damage, 2250m/s velocity, 9s flight time
+60% dmg (covert lvl4) +50% Flight Time (frig V) +100% velocity (frig V)
=1088 per missile volley dmg =13.5s flight time =4500 m/s velocity
New Torp on SB = 3264 Volley with a 63km range, instant lock after cloak and 9.8s between volleys.
This means 333 dps with no damage rigs or mods, and this is T1 basic ammo... welcome to Stealth Bomber online.
I have torp spec IV, cov ops IV, with two T2 BCU and faction torps I get 252 dps.. So I guess CovOps V is mandatory..
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Amarrbone
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:58:00 -
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The base torp speed he gave is with Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection at 5. If you are throwing torps those are a requirement.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:05:00 -
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Wiht current fitting it can fit a MSE II in addition to 3 siges and 2 BCU + 3 ewar mods.
Or a MWD + the same stuff.
Quite an improvement this new little SB.
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Selous
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:32:00 -
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I have been using stealth bombers a fair bit lately in FW (82 kills ).
1st hound`s then nemesis`s ( nemesi ? ) much better SB.
nemesis with cruise my operating range was 60-165km ( limited by targeting range )
new patch , I replace my cruise launchers with siege
My missile ranges are now , with missile bombardment 5 , missile projection 4 , 1 x hydraulic bay thruster ( 15% velocity )
T1 torps 65km T2 rage 58km t2 javelin 97km
Given that these are now only really useful against battleships , how close do you want to decloak near a fleet of BS with or without support in your now expensive bomber that has a hull made out of a paper bag ? , and then hang around while your torps are in flight. |
Cruentiorus
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Selous I have been using stealth bombers a fair bit lately in FW (82 kills ).
1st hound`s then nemesis`s ( nemesi ? ) much better SB.
nemesis with cruise my operating range was 60-165km ( limited by targeting range )
new patch , I replace my cruise launchers with siege
My missile ranges are now , with missile bombardment 5 , missile projection 4 , 1 x hydraulic bay thruster ( 15% velocity )
T1 torps 65km T2 rage 58km t2 javelin 97km
Given that these are now only really useful against battleships , how close do you want to decloak near a fleet of BS with or without support in your now expensive bomber that has a hull made out of a paper bag ? , and then hang around while your torps are in flight.
Whoa pal, who said they are only good against BS? They are effective against anything with a sig radius above 250 and/or a speed below 250... so say, all the BC's, command ships, BS, Any Cruiser with a MWD that isnt going faster than your missiles, HICS (huge damage against these cows) especially the Purifier vs Onyx.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:50:00 -
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Well the speed and 50+ km range is awesome, MWD and transversal at 50 km orbit and nothing hits you.
One thing makes me sad, 15 second reactivation delay on cloak
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Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jill Velentine With maxed out skills on the new SB, how much DPS per Second are we talking about here ?
We are talking about at least 600 EM DPS per second / second per second against ratting Drakes with stabbers. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!" |
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:23:00 -
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op is bigger eft warrior than EFT Warrior himself
c/d?
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Elhina Novae
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:46:00 -
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DPS is what matters the very least.
SB's are paperboats and will die, easy.
Now stop discussing DPS and talk about what actually matters: VOLLEY DAMAGE. 1-2 perhaps 3 volleys then its time to gtfo for the SBs, but a few of them with a minm recon should make short work of lets say a battleship? ------------
Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Mystafyre on 16/04/2009 20:56:43 Edited by: Mystafyre on 16/04/2009 20:54:15 Edited by: Mystafyre on 16/04/2009 20:53:35
Originally by: Elhina Novae DPS is what matters the very least.
SB's are paperboats and will die, easy.
Now stop discussing DPS and talk about what actually matters: VOLLEY DAMAGE. 1-2 perhaps 3 volleys then its time to gtfo for the SBs, but a few of them with a minm recon should make short work of lets say a battleship?
Volley dmg with my skills and faction juggernauts was way over 3000... They do half of the volley that raven does..
Lets put it this way... huginn webbing and target painting t1 cruiser.. you can take it out with 3 volleys..
4x stealth bombers 1x huginn 1x interceptor will be deadly..
EDIT: Now they can fit easily 2x BCU lows, 2x TP and MWD/AB.. if they drop the bomb launcher.. You can fit cov ops cloak, 3x torp launchers and bomb launcher too if you want in manticore..
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:29:00 -
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21:24:17 Combat Your group of Juggernaut Torpedo hits Serpentis Chief Infantry Wreck (Serpentis Medium Wreck), doing 3550.9 damage.
Against small NPC's like webbing/scrambling ones, not a chance, dps sucks totally, without racial ECM I would have been dead lol.. 1800+ hits against cruiser sized serpentis ones.
These are designed to hit battleships and structures like POS.
Of course the change to let cover cynojammers to be fired in cynojammed systems is obviously part of CCP's plan.
I call new stealth bombers great for roaming gangs with force recons. Black Ops helping to cyno in. Problem against POS's is the tanking part. Put perhaps remote repping black ops gang can take the dmg from POS guns? So after guns are down, stealth bombers could start spamming missiles out.
But all in all, great changes by CCP, next I am going to get a Rook for test drive
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:59:00 -
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This finally gives me an excuse to train t2 torps (I think?), so it's not just for the phoon.
How well do they fit? Are arbalest more practical due to fitting issues?
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Berilac
Amarr Northern Intelligence PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:13:00 -
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Why is RAS Syndrome becoming so rampant when discussing DPS? More WoW players?
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat Blade.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:20:00 -
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Wow, the stealth bomber is actually a bomber now? Who'da thunk it? ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic This finally gives me an excuse to train t2 torps (I think?), so it's not just for the phoon.
How well do they fit? Are arbalest more practical due to fitting issues?
410 CPU in Manticore, it's so easy to fit it now.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Berilac Why is RAS Syndrome becoming so rampant when discussing DPS? More WoW players?
Because of OPs failthread.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jill Velentine With maxed out skills on the new SB, how much DPS per Second are we talking about here ?
To be clear, you are interested in the "damage per second per second" or a SB?
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