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Mother Clanger
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:30:00 -
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Pirate Bay Founders Verdict: Guilty
- Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde are sentenced to a year in jail
- They are ordered to pay 30m kronor (ú2.4m) in damages, going to Warner Bros, Sony Music Entertainment, EMI, Columbia Pictures and others
- They will appeal
- piratebay.org will remain active
One day perhaps, these companies will realise they need to wake up to modern society.
o7 piratebay.
- MC
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:35:00 -
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Jesus Christ. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:49:00 -
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So the big faceless corporations won despite having a case with more holes in it than a colander. Fan-bloody-tastic. ____________________
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly So the big faceless corporations won despite having a case with more holes in it than a colander. Fan-bloody-tastic.
Welcome to the world where the corporations make their own laws i guess.
We're all going to hell now. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:58:00 -
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I already popped the champagne.
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ThrashPower
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.17 10:59:00 -
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Miscarriage of justice.
Quote: All four defendants were accused of ĉassisting in making copyright content availableĈ
How can you accuse four select men (their business/website was never on trial here) of assisting in making copyrighted content available?
They might as well have gone after Tim Berner-Lee for inventing the World Wide Web.
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defiler
Mad Hermit Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:06:00 -
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Meh, it pretty much turned out the way I expected. Okay, it was a bit of a surprise that Lundstr÷m was found guilty but I had no doubts that the other three would be facing jail time.
Oh well, it's a travesty and all that but this won't change much. It'll get appealed and by the time we get to the end of this mess everyone will have moved on. And it's sort of a win-win for the "pirates" as I think this verdict will really change public perception of the issue in their favour. It'll be fun to see what happens in the next election...
Mad Hermit corporation Minding our own business since 2004 |
Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:19:00 -
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Ofcourse, blame them, not the damn greedy corporations that would try to sell your own **** back to you. Now, if they would slice their prices in half at least and sell decent products/services and maybe they'd have a right to press charges. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:22:00 -
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I bet Google aren't happy, it throws their business into doubt.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:46:00 -
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lol newbs think they can stop our interweb thievery ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf***er. |
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:04:00 -
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serves them right for doing illegal activities
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:06:00 -
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Yarr
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave serves them right for doing illegal activities
ummm how are they doing illegal activities - prehaps you should have read up on the case.... Many people here complain that we don't have torrents for the patches etc or the expansions...this throws everything up into the air...file sharing is a way of life these days, and to brand it illegal is a dangerous precident...
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Noodly Appendage
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:14:00 -
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They can appeal up to the EU court which may last years. I'd sure be glad to donate some money to help them out.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:31:00 -
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Court got paid off. The verdict was already written at the beginning of the case, that's why no one of the companies made any effort in arguing their case. This is a farce. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon
Originally by: EliteSlave serves them right for doing illegal activities
ummm how are they doing illegal activities - prehaps you should have read up on the case.... Many people here complain that we don't have torrents for the patches etc or the expansions...this throws everything up into the air...file sharing is a way of life these days, and to brand it illegal is a dangerous precident...
Did they moderate the search engine to prevent the sharing of Copyright protected items? No, Did they provide a means for the sharing of Copyright Protected Items? Yes, Did they knowingly allow it to continue with out impedance? Yes.
With this said, They faciliated the crime. Yes it is "Guilt by Association", but unfortunately if you do the crime, you will end up doing the time.
And yes, now that this ruling has come about, it may mean that Google will need to make adjustments aswell to their search engine also since you can Torrent thru it.
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:48:00 -
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but they didn't break any laws....thats the thing...they are not resonsible for what people share....that was the whole point of the case...
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon
Originally by: EliteSlave serves them right for doing illegal activities
ummm how are they doing illegal activities - prehaps you should have read up on the case.... Many people here complain that we don't have torrents for the patches etc or the expansions...this throws everything up into the air...file sharing is a way of life these days, and to brand it illegal is a dangerous precident...
I full heartedly support the Torrent sharing, but I do not support the Copyright Infringements and blatant thievery that is what Piratebay allowed and Facilitated.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.17 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave Did they moderate the search engine to prevent the sharing of Copyright protected items? No, Did they provide a means for the sharing of Copyright Protected Items? Yes, Did they knowingly allow it to continue with out impedance? Yes.
With this said, They faciliated the crime. Yes it is "Guilt by Association", but unfortunately if you do the crime, you will end up doing the time.
And yes, now that this ruling has come about, it may mean that Google will need to make adjustments aswell to their search engine also since you can Torrent thru it.
1. Actually they do, but 4 guys cannot really "moderate" thousands of entries a day, eh?. 2. They did. But most gun shops in the US provide a means for killing or severely injuring others. Would you still argue that it is guilty by association if someone with a gun permit and all the other faff bought a gun and decided "Screw it" and offed his wife? Was the merchant to blame? 3. They didn't "Allow it to continue" they simply kept their service running whilst deleting what was brought to their attention.
Oh and an FYI. None of the companies that took them to court did any survey of the site, to see how much content was ACTUALLY COPYRIGHTED. The TPB guys hired an independant surveyor iirc and it came back that about 60-80% of the stuff was legit, uncopyrighted software/music from independant programmers/musicians. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.04.17 14:24:00 -
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Kangaroo court, rabble rabble rabble. In before Ralara. |
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
1. Actually they do, but 4 guys cannot really "moderate" thousands of entries a day, eh?. 2. They did. But most gun shops in the US provide a means for killing or severely injuring others. Would you still argue that it is guilty by association if someone with a gun permit and all the other faff bought a gun and decided "Screw it" and offed his wife? Was the merchant to blame? 3. They didn't "Allow it to continue" they simply kept their service running whilst deleting what was brought to their attention.
Oh and an FYI. None of the companies that took them to court did any survey of the site, to see how much content was ACTUALLY COPYRIGHTED. The TPB guys hired an independant surveyor iirc and it came back that about 60-80% of the stuff was legit, uncopyrighted software/music from independant programmers/musicians.
If you dont have the support staff to operate the site, then that is Negligence.
Also doesnt matter the percentages of what was Legal and what was not legal, The matter was they had Copyrighted items that were able to be downloaded, wether it be from their servers or someone elses server, The matter was it was still available and the access was given, Thus they are liable.
Now, to the gunstore comparison. That is different from this situation, The GunStore did not knowingly know you were going to use the Gun for Illegal activities, verse the TPB having a link to Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit and with cracked CD Key for download. Huge Difference.
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.17 15:44:00 -
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this won't change anything at TPB. Its existence as a website is not being threatened. Also most trusted links are sent by pirates who have worked their way to the Green skull and crossbones level.
These four really are just founders and that's it.
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Reiisha
Evolution KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.04.17 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave If you dont have the support staff to operate the site, then that is Negligence.
So..... It's illegal if your home-run, free of charge service becomes succesful?
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Mother Clanger
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.17 16:47:00 -
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Pirate Bay defendants to fight on
Copyright holders cheer Pirate Bay verdict
Some choice quotes from the second link:
Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters' Guild of America "They are turning the Internet into a cyber Somalia...and that doesn't do any good for anybody."
Mitch Bainwol, CEO of The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) "Piracy can sound romantic and glamorous, but as this decision reminds the world--digital theft is illegal, damaging and for those convicted, consequential,"
This comment from the second link sums up my opinion perfectly:
Quote: "As it becomes less profiatble for record companies to produce new music who do you think are going to be the first to get the axe, thats right the guys on the bottom."
I disagree. Whilst you are right in that there won't be as many artists getting silly amounts of money for producing mediocre pop tunes, I would guess that as it becomes less profitable to mass produce music, the first people to leave will be those who are only interested in the financial potential of the music industry - ie the big label execs looking to grab as big a slice as they can of the multi-million dollar music pie.
"Keep stealing your music, and you may find that there isn't anymore new music worth listening to."
Come on - clearly you don't know many musicians. Generally the guys and gals doing all the interesting music have been doing it for years with little financial reward. Some may get lucky and garner some kind of fringe recognition that helps them derive a more steady income but most musicians never get, nor expect to get, the same kind of financial security associated with the 9-5 world. We don't do what we do because we're following some childish pipe-dream that millions of dollars are suddenly going to fall into our laps and we'll have "made it". We do what we do because its what we do, we love doing it and can't imagine a world where we don't do it anymore. I know plenty of professional players who work 60+ hour weeks (by the time you take into account practicing, rehearsing, travelling to gigs etc) and still have to take the odd crappy job now and then to pay the bills. They just accept that's the way it is and get on with it.
"You aren't just sticking it to the man, you are killing an industry"
Perhaps, but its an industry that has been morally and culturally dead for a long time and it needs to finally die so that it can be rebuilt in a manner more suited to the 21st century. I'm not saying that is a justification for downloading music without paying for it - personally I pay for all the music I download - but the fact is the music industry as it has been in the past is on its way out and good riddance to it. Up until recently it has taken vast sums of capital to produce and distribute recorded music on a scale that is profitable. Without the backing of a major label it was almost impossible to get your music heard outside of your local community. Now it is possible for anyone to produce and distribute an album worldwide literally from their bedroom - all you need is talent and a few bits of kit. The power held by the major labels over the artists is dissipating and will continue to do so as more musicians realise they no longer need the same kind of financial backing to get their music heard - which incidentally is usually of more importance to the musician than getting a fat pay-off. If these big labels had any smarts, they'd accept the world has changed, move on and look for new ways to keep themselves in the industry. The days of one-off $80 million deals are gone and they're not coming back. Respect to the Pirate Bay guys for sticking to their guns but at the end of the day, this verdict isn't gonna make any difference one way or another.
- MC
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.17 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave And yes, now that this ruling has come about, it may mean that Google will need to make adjustments aswell to their search engine also since you can Torrent thru it.
And ISPs, if my logic is correct... ________________________________________________
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kor anon
Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung
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Posted - 2009.04.17 16:51:00 -
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Can someone tell me what's to stop them from just packing up leaving and running the site from a backwater country?
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Mother Clanger
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.17 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Can someone tell me what's to stop them from just packing up leaving and running the site from a backwater country?
The site has failover redundancy in at least 3 undisclosed locations throughout the world. If the Swedish server is taken offline, one of the other servers will kick in (with an up-to-date database) within a few minutes.
- MC
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.17 16:56:00 -
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Could care less to be honest. I buy all my movies, software and music so this affects me in no way. Pirate Bay is still going to have the non-copyrighted material that I do use it for so again, this affects me in no way shape or form.
I do love to hear people who download copyrighted media whine though. It is very satisfying. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Nigel Sheldon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.17 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: FOl2TY8 Could care less to be honest. I buy all my movies, software and music so this affects me in no way. Pirate Bay is still going to have the non-copyrighted material that I do use it for so again, this affects me in no way shape or form.
I do love to hear people who download copyrighted media whine though. It is very satisfying.
again someone misses the point...70% of pirate bay is proven to be non-coptyrighted links eg legal... we have many people on the eve forums themselves demanding that ccp release it's patchs/expansions via torrents, with this judgement this won't be possible.... It's people who don't know what they are talking about that assume that it's all copyrighted material...
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.17 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon
Originally by: FOl2TY8 Could care less to be honest. I buy all my movies, software and music so this affects me in no way. Pirate Bay is still going to have the non-copyrighted material that I do use it for so again, this affects me in no way shape or form.
I do love to hear people who download copyrighted media whine though. It is very satisfying.
again someone misses the point...70% of pirate bay is proven to be non-coptyrighted links eg legal... we have many people on the eve forums themselves demanding that ccp release it's patchs/expansions via torrents, with this judgement this won't be possible.... It's people who don't know what they are talking about that assume that it's all copyrighted material...
Read my post a second time because I addressed the fact that TPB also has non-copyrighted material. I even put it in bold for you. TPB is not going to be shut down because of this so that material will still be available and is also available from several other sources.
Also you must have misread the information because TPB is not going to be shut down so really all you are fighting for is the ability to steal copyrighted material. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
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