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xxxak Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.17 22:58:00 - [1] So.. what are the pros and cons of each T3 ship hull?
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.04.17 23:05:00 - [2] No.
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2009.04.17 23:06:00 - [3] I'm frighteningly impressed with the tengu.
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2009.04.17 23:06:00 - [4] Too early to tell unless you want eft dueling. I'd say t3 cruisers get one extra slot over t2 cruisers. They can be designed to be better versions of the t2 ships. A muninn w/ 5 mids and 33% more alpha for example. Depends on your taste for "best."
kessah The 14K	Posted - 2009.04.18 00:58:00 - [5] Edited by: kessah on 18/04/2009 01:00:21 Taking the two most distinguishing subsystems fitted to each of the 4 races of t2 cruisers. That being the immunity to warp bubbles and covert ops cloak offensive subsystem. The Legion is probably the best followed by the Loki then Tengu, Proteus is probably the worst of all three from those subsystems fitted. If your not fitting those subsystems, then i suggest u get ur head examined because t2 can do the job cheaper. Christ even the drake can do it in the Tengu's case. Remember your tank might be uber, your dps insane! but it only take a blob to kill you. Best use a setup that can escape to fight another day than to tank the world and then die to some nublet alliance that would rather share loot 50 ways.
Xailz Godless Horizon.	Posted - 2009.04.18 01:36:00 - [6] Originally by: kessah Edited by: kessah on 18/04/2009 01:00:21 Taking the two most distinguishing subsystems fitted to each of the 4 races of t2 cruisers. That being the immunity to warp bubbles and covert ops cloak offensive subsystem. The Legion is probably the best followed by the Loki then Tengu, Proteus is probably the worst of all three from those subsystems fitted. If your not fitting those subsystems, then i suggest u get ur head examined because t2 can do the job cheaper. Christ even the drake can do it in the Tengu's case. Remember your tank might be uber, your dps insane! but it only take a blob to kill you. Best use a setup that can escape to fight another day than to tank the world and then die to some nublet alliance that would rather share loot 50 ways. Looking at Survivability I'd prolly say Loki is first but then i haven't been able to work out how to fit a Legion yet Xz ------ I came, i saw, i posted **** ITT.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:53:00 - [7] Tengu <3
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.04.18 03:04:00 - [8] Depends on what you want to do with the ship. I'd say Tengu is the King for PVE, as it can deal a lot of damage at huge range and tank everything with ease. _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.18 03:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Entity Depends on what you want to do with the ship. I'd say Tengu is the King for PVE, as it can deal a lot of damage at huge range and tank everything with ease. Non of the T3 realy shine at PvE. Tengu in PvP kicks ass. THe best solo Caldari ship in ages. T3 are PvP ships mainly.
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.04.18 03:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Entity Depends on what you want to do with the ship. I'd say Tengu is the King for PVE, as it can deal a lot of damage at huge range and tank everything with ease. Non of the T3 realy shine at PvE. Tengu in PvP kicks ass. THe best solo Caldari ship in ages. T3 are PvP ships mainly. I can get 750 dps out of a tengu pretty easily. With heavies. At 112km. Without ridiculously expensive items. A cruise golem or CNR with full faction fit won't get that. Oh and it still tanks awesome at the same time, has smaller sig radius, is a hell of a lot more agile, and also moves at 6-700m/s. If that isn't shining then I do not know what does... _ Got Item? \| EVE API?

DuttyDan	Posted - 2009.04.19 10:53:00 - [11] Tengu > Loki > Proteus/Legion I think that the tengu is awsome sauce all round you get some scary dps and tank fittings and can be very evil. Where as teh Loki makes and awsome sniper, with a huge alpha. The legion is a better zealot but the hardby is better than legio in a few ways. Definite tengu > other t3 ships atm. Theres a faction fit that has like 22+ ehp in shields alone with i think 400 passive tank, and has 3 bcu's and HAMS that hit at 30km which can overlaod to high DPS. None of the other ships can reach this in dps, other than the blaster proteus to be honest but the ranges sux.
Mikael Izra'il	Posted - 2009.04.19 10:58:00 - [12] Edited by: Mikael Izra''il on 19/04/2009 10:58:16 I don't know about you guys but with the Proteus gets breathtaking EFT numbers. I have a Proteus fitting with 109k EHP, 900 DPS, completely stable and with full tackle: If you switch the offensive for the cloaking one, you drop to 680ish DPS but hey, you get a recon cloak! Nothing says **** you more than a 700 DPS, 100+k EHP monster uncloaking in your face when you're ratting.
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2009.04.19 11:06:00 - [13] Edited by: Nichola Kreed on 19/04/2009 11:06:27 Originally by: Mikael Izra'il Edited by: Mikael Izra''il on 19/04/2009 10:58:16 I don't know about you guys but with the Proteus gets breathtaking EFT numbers. I have a Proteus fitting with 109k EHP, 900 DPS, completely stable and with full tackle: If you switch the offensive for the cloaking one, you drop to 680ish DPS but hey, you get a recon cloak! Nothing says **** you more than a 700 DPS, 100+k EHP monster uncloaking in your face when you're ratting. no no, it doest works that way. instead 0.0 bears now can rat in a 700 DPS, 100+k EHP monster with cov osp cloak and immnue to bubble, bye bye ishtar, all hail to proteus!
steveid Killed In Action The Firm.	Posted - 2009.04.19 12:03:00 - [14] i was away from game when all this came about, but if its immune from bubbles then how do you tackle it? Or is it only imune from bubbles and not ordinary points which seems kinda strange (unless ofc coupled with the cloak)
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2009.04.19 12:15:00 - [15] Yep, immune to bubbles but can be tackled with normal point. Of course it having cloak and being able to warp inside bubbles makes it super-hard in most cases.
Letifer Deus 181st Legion Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.19 16:45:00 - [16] what does one fit to get 750 dps on a tengu with heavies? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.19 18:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Letifer Deus what does one fit to get 750 dps on a tengu with heavies? I was wondering this too...
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.04.19 19:58:00 - [18] Maybe something like this : [Tengu, 790 DPS] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Warhead Flare Catalyst II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers All lvl 5 and +5% missile hardwirings. 790 kin dps, 2800 volley, explosion velocity 183, radius 98. Enough cpu and pg left for nice active tank /or some afterburner, painter.../. But no drones so you will have to kill elite frigs with missiles /no idea how many volleys it can take/.
Meeko Gloom Gallente Republic	Posted - 2009.04.21 02:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Maybe something like this : [Tengu, 790 DPS] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Warhead Flare Catalyst II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers All lvl 5 and +5% missile hardwirings. 790 kin dps, 2800 volley, explosion velocity 183, radius 98. Enough cpu and pg left for nice active tank /or some afterburner, painter.../. But no drones so you will have to kill elite frigs with missiles /no idea how many volleys it can take/. LMAO -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.04.21 09:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Meeko Gloom LMAO Originally by: Mystafyre Originally by: Letifer Deus what does one fit to get 750 dps on a tengu with heavies? I was wondering this too... → Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Maybe something like this :...

GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.21 10:01:00 - [21] A reasonable, cap stable (even with AB on), Tengu PvE setup: [Tengu, Pithi B] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers 670DPS with kinetic at 110kms and 706 DPS omnidefence. The new king of PvE. You can replace the Pithi B-s with a Pithum A and one more boost amplifier and you'll have around 1100 DPS omnidefence.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.21 10:42:00 - [22] Edited by: Morel Nova on 21/04/2009 10:42:43 it depresses the **** out of me reading about all these caldari working out missioning fits for their t3 cruisers :( EDIT: to reduce troll-ness, someone slap up a pvp fit for it here! Put in space whales!
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:01:00 - [23] Edited by: TimMc on 21/04/2009 11:10:49 Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 21/04/2009 10:42:43 it depresses the **** out of me reading about all these caldari working out missioning fits for their t3 cruisers :( EDIT: to reduce troll-ness, someone slap up a pvp fit for it here! [Tengu, Sniper] Damage Control II Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Gistum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Large Shield Extender II 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M Core Defence Field Extender I Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Locus Coordinator II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers [Legion, Neuts] Coreli B-Type Small Armor Repairer Damage Control II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor True Sansha Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Hammerhead II x5 This is what I've come up with for legion. Cannot seem to get much good dps out of it when I try.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Mystafyre on 21/04/2009 11:21:37 Originally by: GyokZoli A reasonable, cap stable (even with AB on), Tengu PvE setup: [Tengu, Pithi B] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers 670DPS with kinetic at 110kms and 706 DPS omnidefence. The new king of PvE. You can replace the Pithi B-s with a Pithum A and one more boost amplifier and you'll have around 1100 DPS omnidefence. I think Pithum A-type medium shield booster is enough. You can always throw in HG Crystal set. It needs target painter and boost amp thrown away gives a slot for it. Good solid fitting for PVE. I will try this out when my Tengu comes out of the owen... EDIT: I had similar perma running armor tank with AB in Ishtar and that 700 dps tank was well enough to tank all lvl4s there is and the small sig radius is the cause for it.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:31:00 - [25] Edited by: Mystafyre on 21/04/2009 11:41:36 Edited by: Mystafyre on 21/04/2009 11:33:48 Edited by: Mystafyre on 21/04/2009 11:31:51 [Tengu, Pithi A-Type Small SB 671 uniform dps tank] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Cap stable, TP, 670 dps tank (uniform) easy to use mission specific hardeners if needed. Sig radius 205, wich is really small. T2 heavy missiles for hardest rats, t1 missiles for rest. I switched T2 CCC rigs to T1's. But never, ever do Buzz Kill with this. I know that it would take ages to knock out all those elite frigs in that mission. EDIT: That's with HG Crystal set EDIT2: EFT shows -2 seconds as align time for this... EDIT3: LOL.. Just had interesting idea.. Get alt in Basilisk (tank, ab, couple med shield rr and rack of t2 small scouts) Tengu warps in, kicks ab on, uses tp to take full stage agro (or knock out all triggers to get it) then Basilisk warps in and deals with the elite frigs etc and gives repping for Tengu... Both flying over 500 ms... /me Drooooools....
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Morel Nova it depresses the ** out of me reading about all these caldari working out missioning fits for their t3 cruisers :( Sorry for making you depressed . Originally by:** Mystafyre ... Golem and paladin/nightmare will still be better for missioning. Alt in basilisk? Get an alt in domi, more dps is better. Why omnitank? Use mission specific hardeners, also get rid of dc2 for another faction bcu. And using rigor rigs is much more comfortable than messing with target painter /well only if hmls can kill elite frigs in reasonable time/.
NoNamium	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:13:00 - [27] Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 21/04/2009 11:10:49 Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 21/04/2009 10:42:43 it depresses the **** out of me reading about all these caldari working out missioning fits for their t3 cruisers :( EDIT: to reduce troll-ness, someone slap up a pvp fit for it here! [Legion, Neuts] Coreli B-Type Small Armor Repairer Damage Control II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor True Sansha Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Hammerhead II x5 This is what I've come up with for legion. Cannot seem to get much good dps out of it when I try. Interesting setup, I'm not much of a fan of lasers for this boat though
Lady Thanatos Maia Syndicate Dominatus Atrum Mortis	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:24:00 - [28] Why is the Loki one of the better T3? It's speed, or am I just playing into the trolling?
Echo Gemini Minmatar Love My Darkness	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:51:00 - [29] Quote: Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Adaptation and innovation go hand-in-hand, and this subsystem is a prime example of both ideas. While researching Sleeper drone weapon systems, a group of Minmatar engineers discovered special similarities to the technology behind all Sleeper weapon types. Distilling the underlying mechanic to its essence produced this hardpoint configuration, which enabled projectile weapons and missile launchers to share power sources and energy supplies (most of which were advanced beyond modern standards). This offers a vast increase to the rate of fire of both weapon types. Attempts to merge this technology to other weapon groups have, as yet, proven unsuccessful. Subsystem Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to medium projectile turret rate of fire per level 7.5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level Oh ffs!.. What the hell is this doing here?!..
Dallenovic Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.22 03:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Lady Thanatos Why is the Loki one of the better T3? It's speed, or am I just playing into the trolling? If you want speed, you have to really try to get 2.2k/s out of this and then u have poor agility, so lows are wasted on istabs also. If its speed u want the vaga will be a lot more cost effective. You dont get much more dps than vaga but twice the shield buffer vaga style. Loki has an awsome alpha strike as a sniper with 7x 720 II adn the damage bonii. You can one volley all sorts! The "Mini phoon" offensive subsystem leaves you lacking an active tank with good dps. As the split system compramises tank too much. Although there is a nice setup which shield tanks and has 1x neut 3xHAM II 3x425mm II and drones, does 650 dps and has 80k effective shields without a shield repper though, would work well in roaming gangs with logistics.

Dallenovic Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.22 03:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Morel Nova it depresses the **** out of me reading about all these caldari working out missioning fits for their t3 cruisers :( [Legion, Neuts] Coreli B-Type Small Armor Repairer Damage Control II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive True Sansha Warp Disruptor True Sansha Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Hammerhead II x5 Interesting setup, I'm not much of a fan of lasers for this boat though I fully agree with you here, making a khanid legion will be a nice way to go, mixing HAMS and neuts together in short range with awsome armor buffers. You could stun you enemy wby neuting him whilst having missiles which cos no capacitor and buffer fitted so you can really go to town with neuting him whilst still doing dps. Using you last bits of cap for tackle. Legion is a better Zealot in many ways but still the absolution will do most of this for better cost effectiveness. The fact that they took away the best idea ever, the tracking on pulses is quite annoying, i still think that the tengu is overpowererd dps wise just in simple maths and there is still only a tiny advantage over t2 heavy assault ships in terms of dps due to the bonii. zealot has rof and damage so at level 5 = 1.25 / 0.75 = 1.667x damage modifier legion has only damage modifier so at 5 = 1.50 / 1.00 = 1.500x damage modifier but legion has one more turret capability, same goes for proteus and lokki. Tengu however has same damage modifier and INCREASED rof bonii, which itself is more than the singular damage bonii on Legion, Loki and Proteus. 7.5% to rof at level 5 = -37.5% to rof, if we transpose to a damage modifier in the >1 area, 1/0.75 = 1.600x damage modifier, then on top of this they have 25% to kinetic damage = 1.25x 1.6 = 2.00 So if you are using kinetic missiles on a tengu u are doing 25% more damage, thats messed up. Especially as they can passive tank with huge buffers. Thsi is what i am now training my alt up to fly as this is just scary. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5036/tengufaction.jpg With over 220k effective shields and passively tanking 300dps overcharged for nearly 4 minutes, when not overcharged has 150k effective shields and tank 300 dps. 900 dps overcharged for one minute and has 770 without. AWSOME, especially compared to its rivals.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.04.22 04:38:00 - [32] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 22/04/2009 04:41:38 Originally by: Dallenovic So if you are using kinetic missiles on a tengu u are doing 25% more damage, thats messed up. Especially as they can passive tank with huge buffers. Thsi is what i am now training my alt up to fly as this is just scary. 1) The shield extender does not exist in-game. 2) The cost of that setup is just absurd. Remember, once the prices settle down, it's a 300 million ISK ship. 3) Use T2 launchers instead of faction. Cheaper, same dps (remember, no rage HAMs in faction launchers), and you really want the ability to load javelin HAMs when needed. Here is a more realistic setup, and the best T3 ship, IMO: [Tengu, Missile PWN] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Or, my second choice, the Lokiabond: [Loki, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II True Sansha Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Hobgoblin II x5 DPS and tank are lower, but notice the 37km web, before overheating. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2009.04.22 07:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Mikael Izra'il Edited by: Mikael Izra''il on 19/04/2009 11:08:58 I don't know about you guys but the Proteus gets breathtaking EFT numbers. I have a Proteus fitting with 109k EHP, 900 DPS, completely stable and with full tackle: If you switch the offensive for the cloaking one, you drop to 680ish DPS but hey, you get a recon cloak! Nothing says **** you more than a 700 DPS, 100+k EHP monster uncloaking in your face when you're ratting. can you plz post the fit? thanks
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.22 08:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Dallenovic I fully agree with you here, making a khanid legion will be a nice way to go, mixing HAMS and neuts together in short range with awsome armor buffers. You could stun you enemy wby neuting him whilst having missiles which cos no capacitor and buffer fitted so you can really go to town with neuting him whilst still doing dps. Using you last bits of cap for tackle. Legion is a better Zealot in many ways but still the absolution will do most of this for better cost effectiveness. The fact that they took away the best idea ever, the tracking on pulses is quite annoying, i still think that the tengu is overpowererd dps wise just in simple maths and there is still only a tiny advantage over t2 heavy assault ships in terms of dps due to the bonii. zealot has rof and damage so at level 5 = 1.25 / 0.75 = 1.667x damage modifier legion has only damage modifier so at 5 = 1.50 / 1.00 = 1.500x damage modifier but legion has one more turret capability, same goes for proteus and lokki. Tengu however has same damage modifier and INCREASED rof bonii, which itself is more than the singular damage bonii on Legion, Loki and Proteus. 7.5% to rof at level 5 = -37.5% to rof, if we transpose to a damage modifier in the >1 area, 1/0.75 = 1.600x damage modifier, then on top of this they have 25% to kinetic damage = 1.25x 1.6 = 2.00 So if you are using kinetic missiles on a tengu u are doing 25% more damage, thats messed up. Especially as they can passive tank with huge buffers. Thsi is what i am now training my alt up to fly as this is just scary. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5036/tengufaction.jpg With over 220k effective shields and passively tanking 300dps overcharged for nearly 4 minutes, when not overcharged has 150k effective shields and tank 300 dps. 900 dps overcharged for one minute and has 770 without. AWSOME, especially compared to its rivals. Wow you spent a long time on thata troll.
Incantare	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Incantare on 22/04/2009 09:36:49 At first I was disgusted by the ham legion's weaker bonus, but after playing around with fits I can see why they did it. To fit for max gank a tengu has to use the subsystem that provides the least powergrid and sacrifice at least one slot to fitting mods to get a good fit. The legion on the other hand can fit 6 cn ham launchers, mwd and two 1600mm plates with no fitting mods (powercore multiplier sub). That gives it battleship agility but that's not the point. It's a pretty clever way of balancing them out. However the legion also lacks a range bonus, so in the end I see no reason why it shouldn't have either the same damage bonuses or a small drone bay.
Dallenovic Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.23 01:10:00 - [36] Originally by: TimMc Wow you spent a long time on thata troll. Not really, its pretty easy to see as i love the maths which is why i love eve tbh. just long explanation, to make it easy to understand. Also Sera Ryskin, i do like both your fittings for the ships and especially like the way that the Tengu performs and can easily be upgraded to faction mods. I got that one from another topic which seemed kinda cool ive not had time to eft around with it cos im waiting till they drop like u said till around 300m. although this will be a while considering CCP nerfed worm holes in latest patch. I also need a new toy to play with. Trying to get the Loki to act like the vagabond only resorts to a slower, lower/same dps with a better buffer but with a lot worse agility.
Lusian	Posted - 2009.04.23 09:11:00 - [37] Originally by: kessah Edited by: kessah on 18/04/2009 01:00:21 Taking the two most distinguishing subsystems fitted to each of the 4 races of t2 cruisers. That being the immunity to warp bubbles and covert ops cloak offensive subsystem. The Legion is probably the best followed by the Loki then Tengu, Proteus is probably the worst of all three from those subsystems fitted. If your not fitting those subsystems, then i suggest u get ur head examined because t2 can do the job cheaper. Christ even the drake can do it in the Tengu's case. Remember your tank might be uber, your dps insane! but it only take a blob to kill you. Best use a setup that can escape to fight another day than to tank the world and then die to some nublet alliance that would rather share loot 50 ways. nuff said


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