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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:40:00 -
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Hey all,
I am nearing the point where I will be ready to start training for Capital Ships, however I am stuck for which race to go for.
Is there any major difference between the 4 races in regards to Cap Ships ?
Is there a clear best or a clear worst ?
Cheers for the Help
Prince
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Limvala Adur
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:48:00 -
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Every single week or so the same questions arises.
Basically, since I don't want to go into it:
Carrier - Archon
Dread - Moros/Rev (Moros is better, Rev is more AFK friendly)
These forums have huge amounts of information regarding this question. Search around and you'll find a more detailed explanation. |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:46:00 -
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Amarr or Gallente. Minmatar only for the Nidhoggur.
The Amarr have the best carrier, while the Gallente have the best dreadnought. The supercapitals are about the same, just a matter of preference. |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:38:00 -
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Amarr or Gallente are the best choices. I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
If you are having trouble deciding, go ahead and max your jump skills first. |
scortarious slaine
SKOOKUM TUMTUM
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:34:00 -
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Train for them all then you can test them one by one |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:36:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Hey all,
I am nearing the point where I will be ready to start training for Capital Ships, however I am stuck for which race to go for.
Is there any major difference between the 4 races in regards to Cap Ships ?
Is there a clear best or a clear worst ?
Cheers for the Help
Prince
Can't go wrong with Amarr. 2nd best dread, best carrier and supercarrier. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:08:00 -
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Appreciate all the comments..
Looks Like Amarr it is :) |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
233
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:16:00 -
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Go for caldari. Clearly the best choice. |
Death Toll007
Fleet of Doom
Psychotic Tendencies.
50
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:41:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Go for caldari. Clearly the best choice.
+1 for truth. Everyone else is misleading you.
Caldari is the best at Capitals to make up for their lack luster Sub Caps.
-DT |
Heun zero
Reliant Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:14:00 -
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Death Toll007 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Go for caldari. Clearly the best choice. +1 for truth. Everyone else is misleading you. Caldari is the best at Capitals to make up for their lack luster Sub Caps. -DT
What are you saying. Caldari is just best period! |
Vito Antonio
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:34:00 -
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Can anyone explain how amarr carriers are better than gallente?
+fighter damage% seems better than +armor% to me. |
Wilddragon25
The Lone Patrol
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:49:00 -
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When is comes to carriers amarr hands down is the most useful over all,
Reasons:
1) it's an armour tanker with 7 lows plus 5% bonus to resists, so over all a massive tank
2) bonus to armour rep and cap transfer range(capital)- this is good for one primary reason. You seem to want to use the carrier for pve, your gonna get cought doing it at least once, this way if one of your corp mates is nice enough to save you it gives u the option of spidering with him. For a roaming sub cap gang spidering carriers are extreay difficult to kill.
3) a triage archon fitted right and with proper skills is extremely difficult to kill and when it comes to fleet warfare archon is second to none.
As for dreads I have never flown one but from talk and seeing fleet conpesition I've seen Moros used more because of its sheer dps. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:49:00 -
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Vito Antonio wrote:Can anyone explain how amarr carriers are better than gallente?
+fighter damage% seems better than +armor% to me.
Depends on what you want to do with it - for ratting you'd prefer a Thanatos, for any given PvP situation however, carrier dps are by far less important than staying power - I personally often didn't even carry any fighters when using a carrier in PvP...
You know... morons. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:20:00 -
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Vito Antonio wrote:Can anyone explain how amarr carriers are better than gallente?
+fighter damage% seems better than +armor% to me.
that's probably because you dont fly carriers.
triage carriers also cant use fighters/drones. |
Sup B1tches
Quovis
CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:15:00 -
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Capitals... It really depends on what you wanna do:
Gallente: Great for PVP and PVE ganking/DPS, capital Hybrids have pretty short range but decent tracking though
Amarr: Awesome tanks, last ships to be primaried because of it, great cap means great RR for carriers
Minmatar: Bad cap and weapon slots means they take a back seat in terms of usefullness... But they easily have the BEST looking ships in the game.
Caldari: fairly common but limited in terms of CPU, nothing too notable about them |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:29:00 -
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Vito Antonio wrote:Can anyone explain how amarr carriers are better than gallente?
+fighter damage% seems better than +armor% to me.
nobody gives a **** about carrier dps. |
The Atomium
Global Song Setup
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:31:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Vito Antonio wrote:Can anyone explain how amarr carriers are better than gallente?
+fighter damage% seems better than +armor% to me. nobody gives a **** about carrier dps.
nothing more to say.
train amarr.
aka Luba Cibre |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 04:52:00 -
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Sup B1tches wrote:
Minmatar:they easily have the BEST looking ships in the game.
Apart from the Rifter and Hurricane, the other ships hurt my eyes. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:20:00 -
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If you have to ask your not ready to fly a capital ship.
And to answer your question the Jove capital ships are the best, others are misleading you. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:30:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:If you have to ask your not ready to fly a capital ship.
And to answer your question the Jove capital ships are the best, others are misleading you.
people ask this because it's months of training skills plus the fairly steep ISK cost of skillbooks and, of course, the ships
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:Boomhaur wrote:If you have to ask your not ready to fly a capital ship.
And to answer your question the Jove capital ships are the best, others are misleading you. people ask this because it's months of training skills plus the fairly steep ISK cost of skillbooks and, of course, the ships
This...
When people say "If you have to ask your not ready", I just read that as "I'm an arse and have nothing constructive to add to the discussion"
How are you supposed to learn if not by asking questions?
Sorry if I refuse to spend months of training + cost of skill books on just guess work.
I guess I must just be weird that way. |
TomyLobo
Posthuman Society
Enclave.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:37:00 -
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As of 2 months ago, I could plug in either Minmatar or Caldari carrier skillbook but the Nidhoggur just didn't cut it for wormhole space based on the stats so I was left with the Chimera as my only reasonable option. I spent subsequent days comparing the Chimera to the Archon on EFT, continuously trying to come up with a Chimera fit that could put out similar stats to a basic Archon fit but I failed to no dismay.
I proceeded to cry for the next few hours after realizing that I'd have to train for the archon, which in turn means I'd have to wait another month and a few days before getting a carrier.
I hope I was able to put enough emotion into this to show how terribly disappointed I am in any shield tanking carrier. CCP NEEDS to reduce the cap consumption of remote capital shield reps (remote capital armor and shield reps have the same repair amount and duration but cap consumption is out of wack) and also reduce the effect cap power relays have on shield booster effectiveness or for the love of God, make crystals work with capital reps. Sheesh!!
It's clear that CCP is trying to balance armor and shield fleet setups given that shield ships tend to deal more dps than their armor counterparts but it's clearly not working as armor reigns supreme. |
Sup B1tches
Quovis
CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:Boomhaur wrote:If you have to ask your not ready to fly a capital ship.
And to answer your question the Jove capital ships are the best, others are misleading you. people ask this because it's months of training skills plus the fairly steep ISK cost of skillbooks and, of course, the ships
^^^ |
Sup B1tches
Quovis
CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:10:00 -
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TomyLobo wrote:As of 2 months ago, I could plug in either Minmatar or Caldari carrier skillbook but the Nidhoggur just didn't cut it for wormhole space based on the stats so I was left with the Chimera as my only reasonable option. I spent subsequent days comparing the Chimera to the Archon on EFT, continuously trying to come up with a Chimera fit that could put out similar stats to a basic Archon fit but I failed to no dismay.
I proceeded to cry for the next few hours after realizing that I'd have to train for the archon, which in turn means I'd have to wait another month and a few days before getting a carrier.
I hope I was able to put enough emotion into this to show how terribly disappointed I am in any shield tanking carrier. CCP NEEDS to reduce the cap consumption of remote capital shield reps (remote capital armor and shield reps have the same repair amount and duration but cap consumption is out of wack) and also reduce the effect cap power relays have on shield booster effectiveness or for the love of God, make crystals work with capital reps. Sheesh!!
It's clear that CCP is trying to balance armor and shield fleet setups given that shield ships tend to deal more dps than their armor counterparts but it's clearly not working as armor reigns supreme.
Honestly, if all it comes down to is one calculation in one scenario then why spend months retraining basic skills when a Niddy could be just fine doing it?
There are so many variables at work if you over compensate a bit it would have been fine. |
Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:56:00 -
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I heard Nags were pretty cool in Bhaal heavy wormholes.
Plus it's vertical.
Not much else can be added to the 1st guys response, he's right on. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:07:00 -
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Sup B1tches wrote:TomyLobo wrote:As of 2 months ago, I could plug in either Minmatar or Caldari carrier skillbook but the Nidhoggur just didn't cut it for wormhole space based on the stats so I was left with the Chimera as my only reasonable option. I spent subsequent days comparing the Chimera to the Archon on EFT, continuously trying to come up with a Chimera fit that could put out similar stats to a basic Archon fit but I failed to no dismay.
I proceeded to cry for the next few hours after realizing that I'd have to train for the archon, which in turn means I'd have to wait another month and a few days before getting a carrier.
I hope I was able to put enough emotion into this to show how terribly disappointed I am in any shield tanking carrier. CCP NEEDS to reduce the cap consumption of remote capital shield reps (remote capital armor and shield reps have the same repair amount and duration but cap consumption is out of wack) and also reduce the effect cap power relays have on shield booster effectiveness or for the love of God, make crystals work with capital reps. Sheesh!!
It's clear that CCP is trying to balance armor and shield fleet setups given that shield ships tend to deal more dps than their armor counterparts but it's clearly not working as armor reigns supreme. Honestly, if all it comes down to is one calculation in one scenario then why spend months retraining basic skills when a Niddy could be just fine doing it? There are so many variables at work if you over compensate a bit it would have been fine.
no carrier can be compared with archon, period.
just spend another month to train for archon and profit |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1199
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:14:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Hey all,
I am nearing the point where I will be ready to start training for Capital Ships, however I am stuck for which race to go for.
Is there any major difference between the 4 races in regards to Cap Ships ?
Is there a clear best or a clear worst ?
Cheers for the Help
Prince
Can't go wrong with Amarr. 2nd best dread, best carrier and supercarrier.
This, unfortunately. Why unfortunately?
Well, seems new training trees will make peoples choice very difficult. Knowing game status (omgfpownmatarI'mgodmode) Gallente noobs will be more inclined to quit the game after 3weeks, caldari ones will be stuck to pve, amarr ones will be good but never on top and matar ones good everywhere.
What does this means? -as long as you've started the game for a while now, just stop asking yourself those silly questions (yes silly) and move on to train everything that gives you the biggest number of races choices because the day you'll be stuck in a single one you'll be either OP or just a punching ball.
I'm inclined to think making these two ship skills that are destroyers and battle cruisers mandatory and racials are not a good thing overtime. Racial yes, mandatory for BS and above I'm not on. |
Janoun
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:29:00 -
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If you're going to use Dreads a lot then train Gallente first. The Moros is so much better than the Revelation that it's not even funny. If you're going to use Carriers more (which is likely) then train Amarr. Honestly though, it's worth training both. |
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