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Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:51:00 - [31] but maybe you can explain what I cant figure out. IRC/ED jumped into the war against PL/NC/Goons/Good Russians/etc but didnt get standings with AAA/GKC. why? your lack of being a threat means you get saved for last, not ignored entirely like you seem to expect to continue.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:54:00 - [32] Originally by: Luciolla This was originally posted by a Neutral, non IRC Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054378 or here This was re-posted in COAD by IRC, not a neutral Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054893 or here
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:02:00 - [33] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 21/04/2009 14:03:32 Originally by: Zackalwe Originally by: Ace Frehley Even better, why dont you just have some pvp-arenas where you can all meet. so if you dont wanna pew pew just stay out of that "arena". Then you can create gangs to go out to do raids or quests to find epic mods etc etc. See where we goin Yes when BOB is gone everyone will live in peace and harmony and we will all hold hands and go on wendy walks What we MIGHT get is smaller regional conflicts instead of one massive war engulfing all of nullsec with every major fleet-fight a lagfest. What you mean when bob is gone? What you fail to understand is, that if even the current BoBKenbarbie whatever splits up and go different ways, and 1 of those corp ends up with a new group, you will all crraaaaaap ya pants and scream BoB gather up again to kill just that corp with it¦s new gang, cuz you all fear that oh they gonna summon rest of all exbob corp and fight us, m÷÷÷÷h. BLUE EVEERYZING AR+ND +S ZIR!!!! Snd LEZ B+RBIQ+ D-M! And you back where you are now, or all the bobplayers will leave eve, and you have hellokittyonline or mine with raidgangs and pvpareas. Have fun =) signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Chunky Milk Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:09:00 - [34] I'm just gonna go ahead and tare you a new one mr. bringeroftruth. At first I thought this to be a troll, then I remember IRC are really that dumb... Quote: 1. NC's plans are to withdraw on friendly terms from their assistance with goons and turn to attack Cobalt Edge because they are tired of having to give more and more to MH so pacify them. They figure while XD is busy with AAA and Atlas they will be ripe for the plucking. They are also concerned that XD is the largest land holder in the game currently and they want to rectify that. If Goons interferes or tries to threaten they will be set to red not just neut. Also thier other pets MM,KIA, Initiative have been sent as a small token to help goons back up thier pets as well. Actually you lied to your memberbase, invaded an ally of both ours and theirs and now you are paying for it. Quote: 2. XD has refused time and time again to assist goons with the problem of thier RA support nipping on the heels of AAA while being slammed by IRC/ED forces. They are unaware of NC's plans and continue to blindly support thier Russian brothers in the fight against AAA while ignoring IRC/ED. XD needs to know that soon he will be reset by NC and have to fight on 2 fronts unless he withdraws his support for RA. You're an idiot. Quote: 3. IRC/ED have been fighting all comers with over 20 alliances showing up on thier killboards and they are still fighting with the heart of a lion. Last estimate they are killing enemy forces at a rate of 4:1 and continue to do so every day. Thier latest tally has been 100 ships a day for the last 16 days. They are not afraid to drop caps, they are not afraid to fight overwhelming odds, and seem to continually overcome every obstacle in thier path. They are a proverbial bull in the china shop right now and RA is losing thier ASS. Where was this when you being invaded by SMASH? That's right, **ing SMASH. The bottom of the barrel 0.0 alliance and you got your assed handed to you by them. It was RA, XDeath and GS that came to save your ass. Suck it up princess. Oh, and declaring kills and not mentioning losses is a pretty comical thing to do. Quote: 4. TCF is sitting on the fence waiting to see what offers they get from goons and Razor as to which way they will swing. There has been considerable unrest in thier camp as to the actions of IRON and MH an ocassional hassels from PL and CH. the talk is not good the majority are disatisfied about goons and thier broken promises much like the relationship of Goons and Atlas and others goons have promised but never delivered. They actually went to defend their space, thanks for playing. Quote:** 5. Kraftwerk,UL,SE are currently trying to support RA in attacking all thier enemies but each has thier own agenda according to thier members. UL is very concerned about losing thier space to Kraft and dealing with SE have not been going so well and their members are tired of fighting AAA and are short on ships and cash. SE members feel that thier being surrounded and the possibility of RA wanting the space they gave them back. They are racked by the fear of TCF in thier midst suddenly expanding and taking thier space in case they swing towards the goons after the NC reset. Kraft wants to be left alone after they are done lending thier ships to goons and their other pets and assert thier independance. gahahahahahjhwgfoijwefowofiwjeofijwehahahahahahafiuwehifuwheifuwhefiuwheifuhweifuhwefwepo2k3p23kt45[ypl[pl[3r\''3;r2';3.r'2;3.t'45;t.y'3;4.tr'34;t.'34;t
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Ace Frehley What you mean when bob is gone? What you fail to understand is, that if even the current BoBKenbarbie whatever splits up and go different ways, and 1 of those corp ends up with a new group, you will all crraaaaaap ya pants and scream BoB gather up again to kill just that corp with it¦s new gang, cuz you all fear that oh they gonna summon rest of all exbob corp and fight us, m÷÷÷÷h. BLUE EVEERYZING AR+ND +S ZIR!!!! Snd LEZ B+RBIQ+ D-M! it was funny, awhile ago on SHC, one of the bob egos (like diana or -dbp or whoever) came on and made a post in normal prose, and someone was like "hey its nice to see you guys change from spewing arrogance" to which the ego promptly replied "???? nothing has changed, we are still arrogant *******s, bob lives on as kengoku, spew spew spew" you see, when a group of self-proclaimed omnipotent pilots failed to kill a newbie alliance by simply occupying their space for weeks, we learned. you cant let your boot off the windpipe until the legs stop twitching.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:16:00 - [36] So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there As usual, your detective skills are impeccable Ace. You have succeeded in exposing our sinister plan to attempt to have "fun" playing this awful, awful game.
pickelhaube Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:21:00 - [38] I thought NC is blobbing the hell out of CtrlQzoku ? How can they attack Delve, Drone Regions and Cloud Ring at the same time ?
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there As usual, your detective skills are impeccable Ace. You have succeeded in exposing our sinister plan to attempt to have "fun" playing this awful, awful game. Call me Mr Holmes, Sherlock Holmes signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Stahlregen Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space Don't give mittens any ideas!

Holy Lowlander Amarr Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:42:00 - [41] Originally by: pickelhaube I thought NC is blobbing the hell out of CtrlQzoku ? How can they attack Delve, Drone Regions and Cloud Ring at the same time ? stupid metagamers they stole my sig :'(
Sator deHarak Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:56:00 - [42] Guys, guys. They have Over 20 alliances on their killboard. gasp
Dorina Gallente Black Serpent Technologies Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:00:00 - [43] Edited by: Dorina on 21/04/2009 15:04:24 Edited by: Dorina on 21/04/2009 15:01:31 CHEERS GO IRC/ED....Keep up the good fight guys. You will get support indirectly you will see...Other 0.0 alliances will start to see oppertunities present them selves, and this will change the tides of war. Great job in holding your own. Funny to see more corp. involved in the f-9 fight then you had members in fleet. 295 vs 95 and held the field way to go guys. Even though I am not with you guys, but IRC was my first 0.0 home and I love seeing them standing up against all odds.
Totally Slick Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there i was promised dancing night elves where are my dancing night elves!?
Major Theef Minmatar Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:13:00 - [45] Edited by: Major Theef on 21/04/2009 15:17:08 Originally by: Sator deHarak Guys, guys. They have Over 20 alliances on their killboard. gasp Of course, some of those alliances are blue to them...but whatever. Edit to clarify...what I mean by that is alliances they have shot.
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Luciolla Originally by: Zackalwe One other quick point: This looks like an internal morale post intendid for IRC consumption only. It wont stand up to scrutiny on CAOD. You may not have wanted to post this here. This was originally posted by a Neutral, non IRC Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054378 or here Apologies I stand corrected.
Faekurias Caldari Specter Enterprises The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:31:00 - [47] NO doubt IRC/ED put themselves in this situation, I don't think anyone could disagree with that, however. Look at these Bananas : Holy **** dude.
Murrior Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:32:00 - [48] Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. -- -- -- "E = mc^2" - God ...enough with dead peoples' quotes...
Hideo Ah Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 18:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Murrior Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. Cynicism in space would be believing that IRC/ED chose that particular moment to look for lebensraum because it was when it would most benefit RKZ and RA was distracted elsewhere. I don't think anyone thinks that, that's why they are still blue to all their old allies.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Gefunkt You know who else held off 20 alliances for 9 months with a kill ratio of over 9000? Do you recall those Snowdens of yesteryear? They too were wounded tigers with a lyin heart. That's right, I'm talking about RISE. whoa i found this thread searching for my name please don't compare me with RISE :mad:

Anela Cistine Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Totally Slick Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there i was promised dancing night elves where are my dancing night elves!? Walking in stations.
Yourbane Minmatar Geb's Call	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Zackalwe Originally by: 128th ABC123 You did notice the 51K people online this weekend right??? If you honestly think anything in Eve will get any smaller or lag is an issue which will disappear... Alliances considered to be "irrelevant" or "small" field larger fleets than the leading alliancs of 3 years ago. New records on capship kills are being made regularly and one of the biggest capship battles never involved bob, but rather was between the drone region russians and atlas/rk/smash. Removing ex-bob/kenzoku/etc(which I dont think you guys will be doing btw) would change nothing about the direction the game is going. You kind of just proved my point. With more and more people heading to 0.0 it would be nice if the list of involved alliances in any given conflict went down. Imagine if this war is still going a year from now. 2500 in local? 3500? We have already passed 1500 on a number of occassions. The only way to go back to regional conflicts is if BOB is eliminated. The poem above me demonstrates exactly why this is the case. Well, the good thing is : CCP have proven that they can get more funding, more hardware and will do so when they can, even going for the best stuff around (anyone who knows RAMSAN knows what I mean) and they managed to bring 1500 ppl battles to EvE ... You can surely expect them to keep on doing so and to be able to cope with 2500 in local a year from now. "The only way blabla regional" .: No ! . Don't expect Bob's death to change anything on that part, people are naturally afraid, and whenever any power block (be it just one alliance or more) becomes threatening for some people, people will build another coalition, and it'll be blobwars all over again. For example, the best time to capture a region is now, as coalitions are mostly busy, and still the only mad people who try end up totally roasted by smaller coalition forces. The reason fights and coalitions have become so massive is the mobility that has been added to EvE through all that easy-jumping technology, and I doubt you can take that away now, that and the fact that 95% of the people (IG and IRL) prefer an easy win than a long bloody fight, especially when it's a lost one.
Tamir Lenk Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Murrior Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. What is this "honour" of which you speak? Is it the basis for your righteous chastising of our noble Goon posters? AFAIK ED/IRC honoured their agreement to get back in the kitchen and shut their yaps when mans are talkin'
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:59:00 - [54] goons will soon become omnipotence itself
Totally Slick Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 22:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza goons will soon become omnipotence itself Is that a CCP, Valve or Blizzard SoonÖ?
Johnny Santos Caldari Beginning of the End	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:04:00 - [56] Hmmmm... Some people just want to see the world burn.
Han Lector Amarr Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:13:00 - [57] Hello ! BOB here... and I can confirm that we are about to GO. Also to the OP, must feel good to find your own brain ?
qwijJibow Caldari The Unpodable Supermen Antagonistic Bloodthirsty Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:14:00 - [58] Originally by: pickelhaube I thought NC is blobbing the hell out of CtrlQzoku ? How can they attack Delve, Drone Regions and Cloud Ring at the same time ? isnt there like 10 000 players in the NC? why cant they do everything? but what i understand is the NC is a conglomerate... with reps from several Allinaces... So its perfectly understandable that parts can be attacking all three regions at the same time... and when you have better then tech I mods on your ships... you tend to control Q if you know you are f*ed... though why cant we all be arogant suns of ***es? we all payto play this game... if goons wish to play circle jerk on the cookie... well thats just thier Prerogative....
Fyrkraag Caldari The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 00:37:00 - [59] The facts.... oh they are around, somewhere here or there in bits and pieces, among the mud and fairy tales of self-appointed experts and know it alls. Usually the only time we're supposed to post on CAOD is to say "drama-lama-ding-dong" at the behest of some ******, but at the end of the day, the war is about a number of people taking the word of a goon against someone who didn't do what they were told. Perhaps the RZR-grunt-guy is on to something where he envisions an Eve-universe all about power blocks & pets vs. other power blocks & other pets, versus a "warring city-state" picture. Realistically, the power blocks will probably win. The warring-city state picture is kind of nice though, since each man can be his own warlord. Who in the heck logs into a video game so some guy can tell you what to do? :P (The above text is the opinion of the poster and does not reflect the views of the poster's alliance or the poster's corporation, their leadership, or even other individual members)
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.22 01:36:00 - [60] This is quite an interesting conversation in CAOD for a change so I thought I might try to keep it going :) Originally by: Yourbane Well, the good thing is : CCP have proven that they can get more funding, more hardware and will do so when they can, even going for the best stuff around (anyone who knows RAMSAN knows what I mean) and they managed to bring 1500 ppl battles to EvE ... You can surely expect them to keep on doing so and to be able to cope with 2500 in local a year from now. Maybe they will. But even if its possible, is 2500 in local desirable? Originally by: Yourbane "The only way blabla regional" .: No ! . Don't expect Bob's death to change anything on that part, people are naturally afraid, and whenever any power block (be it just one alliance or more) becomes threatening for some people, people will build another coalition, and it'll be blobwars all over again. Im just going to have to disagree with you here. If BOB does die (and the Bob guy is right to point out its hardly a forgone conclusion) do you see PL, Goons, and the NC maintaining a nap for no good reason? I really dont. Originally by: Yourbane The reason fights and coalitions have become so massive is the mobility that has been added to EvE through all that easy-jumping technology, and I doubt you can take that away now, that and the fact that 95% of the people (IG and IRL) prefer an easy win than a long bloody fight, especially when it's a lost one. I partially disagree. This really breaks down into a two part question. Why is there currently such a large coalition?: That is a matter of history. In the golden age of BOB the other 0.0 alliances had a choice. Either stand together and fight or be killed one at a time alone. It was a reactionary thing. Goon diplomacy made a big difference at the time. We have been trying to finish BOB off ever since. We got close before but bottled it. Maybe this time we will see it through. We will see. Why is it possible for all these alliances to fight in one place? Its not due to jumpbridge networks or titan bridging. I see that argument a lot. There is no massive jumpbridge POS chain from Tenal to Delve. We got here the old-fashioned way by manual travel. Also titan bridge range is quite limited. They are a great tactical tool in the region you are fighting in but we cant titan-bridge back to Tenal or anything. Once an alliance moves its PvPers to a staging area and sets up decent logistics thats it. We dont need to go home for anything. We are only just starting to get a local jumpbridge chain (when it has fuel goons ). If jumpbridges didnt exist and titanbridges werent invented it wouldnt make a difference, we would still be here. The one thing you could say allows an alliance to base so far from its borders is the jumpclone. Thats really the only thing. If we are attacked back in Tenal we can be back there instantly undocking in our homefleet battleships with a moments notice. When the jobs done and our borders secure we can jump back to current staging and rejooin the fight. There are arguments for and against the jumpclone. But that really is the culprit.



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