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mightylord Minmatar Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.21 09:46:00 - [1] This should be in CAOD but no longer have a toon in a corp ATM. People here lie and tell the truth, so for alot of us it is difficult whom to believe. Not one shred of evidence has ever proved one person wrong or right. I have absolutely nothing to lose or gain from posting here. But something has prompted me to stand up and tell the masses what they are missing. That something was the idolization of Goons and thier actions. Have all of you who play this game lost thier sense of morality? Do you enjoy idolizing those whos primary existance from the begining was to destroy this game for the rest of us? You all know this to be true but you have lost sight of this and fell into the honey coming from the destruction of BOB aka Kenzoku. Sure without a doubt BoB was an entity that needed to be dealt with but we have simply replaced one evil with an inheritantly greater evil. Goons has used ALMOST every trick in the book to sway the masses to thier cause and now those who have been swayed have been lulled to the point of submission, with the exception of NC, XDeathX, IRC, ED, and a few others. These people refuse to be the puppets/pets of Goons. Now here are some of the juicy parts you need to know. 1. NC reset joke is not a joke. It was leaked by one of thier members prematurely. NC's plans are to withdraw on friendly terms from their assistance with goons and turn to attack Cobalt Edge because they are tired of having to give more and more to MH so pacify them. They figure while XD is busy with AAA and Atlas they will be ripe for the plucking. They are also concerned that XD is the largest land holder in the game currently and they want to rectify that. If Goons interferes or tries to threaten they will be set to red not just neut. Also thier other pets MM,KIA, Initiative have been sent as a small token to help goons back up thier pets as well. 2. XD has refused time and time again to assist goons with the problem of thier RA support nipping on the heels of AAA while being slammed by IRC/ED forces. They are unaware of NC's plans and continue to blindly support thier Russian brothers in the fight against AAA while ignoring IRC/ED. XD needs to know that soon he will be reset by NC and have to fight on 2 fronts unless he withdraws his support for RA. 3. IRC/ED have been fighting all comers with over 20 alliances showing up on thier killboards and they are still fighting with the heart of a lion. Last estimate they are killing enemy forces at a rate of 4:1 and continue to do so every day. Thier latest tally has been 100 ships a day for the last 16 days. They are not afraid to drop caps, they are not afraid to fight overwhelming odds, and seem to continually overcome every obstacle in thier path. They are a proverbial bull in the china shop right now and RA is losing thier ASS. 4. TCF is sitting on the fence waiting to see what offers they get from goons and Razor as to which way they will swing. There has been considerable unrest in thier camp as to the actions of IRON and MH an ocassional hassels from PL and CH. the talk is not good the majority are disatisfied about goons and thier broken promises much like the relationship of Goons and Atlas and others goons have promised but never delivered. 5. Kraftwerk,UL,SE are currently trying to support RA in attacking all thier enemies but each has thier own agenda according to thier members. UL is very concerned about losing thier space to Kraft and dealing with SE have not been going so well and their members are tired of fighting AAA and are short on ships and cash. SE members feel that thier being surrounded and the possibility of RA wanting the space they gave them back. They are racked by the fear of TCF in thier midst suddenly expanding and taking thier space in case they swing towards the goons after the NC reset. Kraft wants to be left alone after they are done lending thier ships to goons and their other pets and assert thier independance. More Later
Admiral FANTASY Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 09:57:00 - [2] Yes.
steveid Amarr Killed In Action The Firm.	Posted - 2009.04.21 09:57:00 - [3] the thing is I dont think any of this is news to anyone. Goons started out like that but eve is an insidious thing and they have a lot invested in the game now, I think they have as much a role to play as anyone in the future of the game. As for goons vs the NC i think that was always a marriage of convenience. It will last long enough to ensure BoB's destruction and its only natural (and better for both sides) that it ends. You dont want all of eve blue do you? The fact is goons dont really need anyone any more and will be looking to establish that with only their allies that stuck with them when it looked like they were going to get curbstomped.
Lizhia Birath Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group Shadows of Light	Posted - 2009.04.21 10:54:00 - [4] Edited by: Lizhia Birath on 21/04/2009 10:54:13 Is this thread about the NC attacking Xdeath or IRC, I dun understand :I
Jonas Cooke Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Lizhia Birath Edited by: Lizhia Birath on 21/04/2009 10:54:13 Is this thread about the NC attacking Xdeath or IRC, I dun understand :I All i got was Pro-IRC Anti-Goon.
Justin Cray Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Admiral FANTASY Yes. fpa strikes again
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:08:00 - [7] "Understanding is a 3 edged Sword" - Ambassador Kosh
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:10:00 - [8] Originally by: mightylord Goons has used ALMOST every trick in the book to sway the masses to thier cause and now those who have been swayed have been lulled to the point of submission, with the exception of NC, XDeathX, IRC, ED, and a few others. Here that PL? We have lulled you into submission. You may now serve me grapes and massage my feet. :smug:
Talitana Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:14:00 - [9] i think its a true story
Richyp Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:14:00 - [10] Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Originally by: mightylord Goons has used ALMOST every trick in the book to sway the masses to thier cause and now those who have been swayed have been lulled to the point of submission, with the exception of NC, XDeathX, IRC, ED, and a few others. Here that PL? We have lulled you into submission. You may now serve me grapes and massage my feet. :smug: Did somebody say grape?

Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:17:00 - [11] Originally by: mightylord Have all of you who play this game lost thier sense of morality? Do you enjoy idolizing those whos primary existance from the begining was to destroy this game for the rest of us? Let me paraphrase M.T. Cicero, with the first words of his famous speech against Catilina: Quousque tandem abutere, Goonius Examen, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? How long, O Goonswarm, will you abuse our patience? How long is that madness of yours still to mock us? When is there to be an end of that unbridled audacity of yours?
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Richyp Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Originally by: mightylord Goons has used ALMOST every trick in the book to sway the masses to thier cause and now those who have been swayed have been lulled to the point of submission, with the exception of NC, XDeathX, IRC, ED, and a few others. Here that PL? We have lulled you into submission. You may now serve me grapes and massage my feet. :smug: Did somebody say grape? Oh no what have I done! PL loves grapes!
Lumen Atra Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:29:00 - [13] Originally by: mightylord Sure without a doubt BoB was an entity that needed to be dealt with but we have simply replaced one evil with an inheritantly greater evil. Goons has used ALMOST every trick in the book to sway the masses to thier cause and now those who have been swayed have been lulled to the point of submission, with the exception of NC, XDeathX, IRC, ED, and a few others. These people refuse to be the puppets/pets of Goons. So, a greater evil is one that has not knowingly cheated, has attempted to spur development to making the game better, and has not fallen into thinking they are better than everybody else...this is a greater evil because...you don't like our attitude? Interesting. Tell us more about how evil is subjective based on whom you do or do not like instead of based on actions.
Totally Slick Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:31:00 - [14] I am totally slick, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the buttes of his donges? 'No!' says the man in Empire, 'It belongs to the mission runners.' 'No!' says the man in the Providence, 'It belongs to the Emperor.' 'No!' says the man in ISS, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...z0r, a place where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the donge of your butte, z0r can become your place, as well." -Andrew Cohen
Piggyblink Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Piggyblink on 21/04/2009 11:39:08 Hmm good post, but could someone please explain these acronyms: CAOD BOB NC IRC ED MH XD AAA MM KIA RA TCF IRON PL CH UL SE I didn't get those parts, thanks.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 11:56:00 - [16] i completely agree with this fine poster and his EBM-themed corporation~
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Zackalwe on 21/04/2009 12:15:49 I dont normally post on CAOD, but this post has goaded me into a reply :( Im going to talk about your first point as I am in the NC and dont have the position to talk for other alliances. Quote: 1. NC reset joke is not a joke. It was leaked by one of thier members prematurely. NC's plans are to withdraw on friendly terms from their assistance with goons and turn to attack Cobalt Edge because they are tired of having to give more and more to MH so pacify them. They figure while XD is busy with AAA and Atlas they will be ripe for the plucking. They are also concerned that XD is the largest land holder in the game currently and they want to rectify that. If Goons interferes or tries to threaten they will be set to red not just neut. Also thier other pets MM,KIA, Initiative have been sent as a small token to help goons back up thier pets as well. This is an opinion from a humble grunt, not to be taken as official RZR policy: U mad? Seriously... You have one point that is half right there. Yes at some point in time I can see us retreating North and reseting Goons. Are we about to leave the South and start tearing it up in XDeathX space? If you think so you must be off your rocker seriously. We are down South to kill BOB. We are here to support our allies, Goonswarm, and ensure they secure Delve, Q and PB. If we do leave Querious at some point before that goal is reached it will only be for a week or so for a quick break. And tbh I dont think there is even much chance of that. Once we do leave the South, after our goal has been acomplished, there will be no need for continued standings with the Southern allies. It wont be war, just a reset on friendly terms and the chance of small gang pew in the future. If BOB was to return I would hope blue standings would be resumed and a return to the South would follow. Of course Im only a grunt and cant speak for that as policy... The rest of your post concerns other alliances, and while I think you are equally wrong I will let them respond. Another quick point: Its possible Goonswarm did start as you suggested, but they are part of the community now. Its my belief that it would be a loss to the community if they left Eve. I know a lot of people may not agree but a few things that Goons provide to Eve: They bring lots of drama. They bring a new perspective. They allow noobs to experience fleet combat unlike any other bloody alliance in the game. And I think they are fecking hilarious. As to them being a greater evil than BOB? No I dont think so. BOB wanted to control all of Eve. They destroyed alliances one by one through any means at their disposal. A 0.0 controlled by BOB with every alliance in 0.0 a pet, paying rent for their space? Or goons in Delve just being, well Goons? I know which one I would choose. One other quick point: This looks like an internal morale post intendid for IRC consumption only. It wont stand up to scrutiny on CAOD. You may not have wanted to post this here. Edited for quoting failure.
Neyem Praetorius Amarr Phalanx Security Service Psychotic Tendencies.	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:14:00 - [18] Originally by: mightylord Have all of you who play this game lost thier sense of morality? My theory is that concepts such as honor and fairness simple have no place in the mechanics or culture of this game. It sounds a little odd, but there's nothing wrong about being evil. After reading the rest of this post, I can't actually find anything else to reply to. You're saying that idolizing goons is bad, not that being allied with them is; and items 1-5 don't actually seem to be related to the rest of the post. So I'll say: Everybody knows that goons can be kind of mean, and we're aware they could turn on us for lulz once the AAA & co. situation stops being interesting. Frankly, anybody who isn't prepared to be backstabbed is probably taking crack kool-aid IV (this goes for everybody with an ally, not just goon pets). The SC helped us when MAX and Tri were taking regions in the north (my main being in NC and KIA during that period), and we've been allied since. The political situation is likely to change at some point in the future - it always does - but today we're working together against a common enemy. Plus, it gives me warm fuzzies when goons say 'special thanks to our allies for making this possible' after they do something awesome + evil. And there's always the possibility that we are entering a new era of peace and prosperity full of kind, gentle goons with galaxy-wide napfests. nods to self, very reassuring
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:19:00 - [19] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 21/04/2009 12:20:01 So if I get the razorposter correct, they "wanna" pew pew as long as it not threating their mining. Oh god where is this goin... signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:24:00 - [20] Even better, why dont you just have some pvp-arenas where you can all meet. so if you dont wanna pew pew just stay out of that "arena". Then you can create gangs to go out to do raids or quests to find epic mods etc etc. See where we goin signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan

Yarik Mendel Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:24:00 - [21] I have a confession to make. I too have the heart of a lion.
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Ace Frehley Even better, why dont you just have some pvp-arenas where you can all meet. so if you dont wanna pew pew just stay out of that "arena". Then you can create gangs to go out to do raids or quests to find epic mods etc etc. See where we goin Yes when BOB is gone everyone will live in peace and harmony and we will all hold hands and go on wendy walks What we MIGHT get is smaller regional conflicts instead of one massive war engulfing all of nullsec with every major fleet-fight a lagfest.
Gefunkt Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:52:00 - [23] You know who else held off 20 alliances for 9 months with a kill ratio of over 9000? Do you recall those Snowdens of yesteryear? They too were wounded tigers with a lyin heart. That's right, I'm talking about RISE.
128th ABC123 Caldari Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Zackalwe Originally by: Ace Frehley Even better, why dont you just have some pvp-arenas where you can all meet. so if you dont wanna pew pew just stay out of that "arena". Then you can create gangs to go out to do raids or quests to find epic mods etc etc. See where we goin Yes when BOB is gone everyone will live in peace and harmony and we will all hold hands and go on wendy walks What we MIGHT get is smaller regional conflicts instead of one massive war engulfing all of nullsec with every major fleet-fight a lagfest. You did notice the 51K people online this weekend right??? If you honestly think anything in Eve will get any smaller or lag is an issue which will disappear... Alliances considered to be "irrelevant" or "small" field larger fleets than the leading alliancs of 3 years ago. New records on capship kills are being made regularly and one of the biggest capship battles never involved bob, but rather was between the drone region russians and atlas/rk/smash. Removing ex-bob/kenzoku/etc(which I dont think you guys will be doing btw) would change nothing about the direction the game is going.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:32:00 - [25] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Removing ex-bob/kenzoku/etc(which I dont think you guys will be doing btw) would change nothing about the direction the game is going. name one entity in eve, besides the alliance formerly known as bob, that has dropped 500 caps on whoever the **** they feel like it. please, just one example.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:36:00 - [26] Im sorry mightylord, but because we killed bob, you cant release your new poem: When the GBC came for the PL, I remained silent; I was not a PL member. Then they locked up the Good Russians, I remained silent; I was not a Good Russian. Then they came for the NC, I did not speak out; I was not a NC member. Then they came for the Goons, I did not speak out; I was not a Goon. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:43:00 - [27] Originally by: mightylord Who will rid me of these troublesome Goons? All this was Hurfed before, all this will Blurf again. We are on the other side of the map, apart from SimmyB. I'm guessing you are losing, given the size of that big, whiny post. When Goons eventually die out in this game, I'm thinking you are going to point to this silliness with a smug expression, like you had much to do with it. Oh dear, oh dear...
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:44:00 - [28] in case you didnt get the last two posts I will spell it out for you (because if you didnt understand months ago, you must be really really *really* slow). the NC/PL/Goon/etc NAP only exists because otherwise kenny would bring the entire GKC down on one group at a time, annihilate them, and move on to the next group. their stated goal is to control all of 0.0. to do that, they need to kill NC, PL, Goons, etc.
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:47:00 - [29] Originally by: 128th ABC123 You did notice the 51K people online this weekend right??? If you honestly think anything in Eve will get any smaller or lag is an issue which will disappear... Alliances considered to be "irrelevant" or "small" field larger fleets than the leading alliancs of 3 years ago. New records on capship kills are being made regularly and one of the biggest capship battles never involved bob, but rather was between the drone region russians and atlas/rk/smash. Removing ex-bob/kenzoku/etc(which I dont think you guys will be doing btw) would change nothing about the direction the game is going. You kind of just proved my point. With more and more people heading to 0.0 it would be nice if the list of involved alliances in any given conflict went down. Imagine if this war is still going a year from now. 2500 in local? 3500? We have already passed 1500 on a number of occassions. The only way to go back to regional conflicts is if BOB is eliminated. The poem above me demonstrates exactly why this is the case.
Luciolla Amarr Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Zackalwe One other quick point: This looks like an internal morale post intendid for IRC consumption only. It wont stand up to scrutiny on CAOD. You may not have wanted to post this here. This was originally posted by a Neutral, non IRC Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054378 or here

Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:51:00 - [31] but maybe you can explain what I cant figure out. IRC/ED jumped into the war against PL/NC/Goons/Good Russians/etc but didnt get standings with AAA/GKC. why? your lack of being a threat means you get saved for last, not ignored entirely like you seem to expect to continue.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:54:00 - [32] Originally by: Luciolla This was originally posted by a Neutral, non IRC Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054378 or here This was re-posted in COAD by IRC, not a neutral Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054893 or here
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:02:00 - [33] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 21/04/2009 14:03:32 Originally by: Zackalwe Originally by: Ace Frehley Even better, why dont you just have some pvp-arenas where you can all meet. so if you dont wanna pew pew just stay out of that "arena". Then you can create gangs to go out to do raids or quests to find epic mods etc etc. See where we goin Yes when BOB is gone everyone will live in peace and harmony and we will all hold hands and go on wendy walks What we MIGHT get is smaller regional conflicts instead of one massive war engulfing all of nullsec with every major fleet-fight a lagfest. What you mean when bob is gone? What you fail to understand is, that if even the current BoBKenbarbie whatever splits up and go different ways, and 1 of those corp ends up with a new group, you will all crraaaaaap ya pants and scream BoB gather up again to kill just that corp with it¦s new gang, cuz you all fear that oh they gonna summon rest of all exbob corp and fight us, m÷÷÷÷h. BLUE EVEERYZING AR+ND +S ZIR!!!! Snd LEZ B+RBIQ+ D-M! And you back where you are now, or all the bobplayers will leave eve, and you have hellokittyonline or mine with raidgangs and pvpareas. Have fun =) signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Chunky Milk Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:09:00 - [34] I'm just gonna go ahead and tare you a new one mr. bringeroftruth. At first I thought this to be a troll, then I remember IRC are really that dumb... Quote: 1. NC's plans are to withdraw on friendly terms from their assistance with goons and turn to attack Cobalt Edge because they are tired of having to give more and more to MH so pacify them. They figure while XD is busy with AAA and Atlas they will be ripe for the plucking. They are also concerned that XD is the largest land holder in the game currently and they want to rectify that. If Goons interferes or tries to threaten they will be set to red not just neut. Also thier other pets MM,KIA, Initiative have been sent as a small token to help goons back up thier pets as well. Actually you lied to your memberbase, invaded an ally of both ours and theirs and now you are paying for it. Quote: 2. XD has refused time and time again to assist goons with the problem of thier RA support nipping on the heels of AAA while being slammed by IRC/ED forces. They are unaware of NC's plans and continue to blindly support thier Russian brothers in the fight against AAA while ignoring IRC/ED. XD needs to know that soon he will be reset by NC and have to fight on 2 fronts unless he withdraws his support for RA. You're an idiot. Quote: 3. IRC/ED have been fighting all comers with over 20 alliances showing up on thier killboards and they are still fighting with the heart of a lion. Last estimate they are killing enemy forces at a rate of 4:1 and continue to do so every day. Thier latest tally has been 100 ships a day for the last 16 days. They are not afraid to drop caps, they are not afraid to fight overwhelming odds, and seem to continually overcome every obstacle in thier path. They are a proverbial bull in the china shop right now and RA is losing thier ASS. Where was this when you being invaded by SMASH? That's right, **ing SMASH. The bottom of the barrel 0.0 alliance and you got your assed handed to you by them. It was RA, XDeath and GS that came to save your ass. Suck it up princess. Oh, and declaring kills and not mentioning losses is a pretty comical thing to do. Quote: 4. TCF is sitting on the fence waiting to see what offers they get from goons and Razor as to which way they will swing. There has been considerable unrest in thier camp as to the actions of IRON and MH an ocassional hassels from PL and CH. the talk is not good the majority are disatisfied about goons and thier broken promises much like the relationship of Goons and Atlas and others goons have promised but never delivered. They actually went to defend their space, thanks for playing. Quote:** 5. Kraftwerk,UL,SE are currently trying to support RA in attacking all thier enemies but each has thier own agenda according to thier members. UL is very concerned about losing thier space to Kraft and dealing with SE have not been going so well and their members are tired of fighting AAA and are short on ships and cash. SE members feel that thier being surrounded and the possibility of RA wanting the space they gave them back. They are racked by the fear of TCF in thier midst suddenly expanding and taking thier space in case they swing towards the goons after the NC reset. Kraft wants to be left alone after they are done lending thier ships to goons and their other pets and assert thier independance. gahahahahahjhwgfoijwefowofiwjeofijwehahahahahahafiuwehifuwheifuwhefiuwheifuhweifuhwefwepo2k3p23kt45[ypl[pl[3r\''3;r2';3.r'2;3.t'45;t.y'3;4.tr'34;t.'34;t
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Ace Frehley What you mean when bob is gone? What you fail to understand is, that if even the current BoBKenbarbie whatever splits up and go different ways, and 1 of those corp ends up with a new group, you will all crraaaaaap ya pants and scream BoB gather up again to kill just that corp with it¦s new gang, cuz you all fear that oh they gonna summon rest of all exbob corp and fight us, m÷÷÷÷h. BLUE EVEERYZING AR+ND +S ZIR!!!! Snd LEZ B+RBIQ+ D-M! it was funny, awhile ago on SHC, one of the bob egos (like diana or -dbp or whoever) came on and made a post in normal prose, and someone was like "hey its nice to see you guys change from spewing arrogance" to which the ego promptly replied "???? nothing has changed, we are still arrogant *******s, bob lives on as kengoku, spew spew spew" you see, when a group of self-proclaimed omnipotent pilots failed to kill a newbie alliance by simply occupying their space for weeks, we learned. you cant let your boot off the windpipe until the legs stop twitching.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:16:00 - [36] So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there As usual, your detective skills are impeccable Ace. You have succeeded in exposing our sinister plan to attempt to have "fun" playing this awful, awful game.
pickelhaube Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:21:00 - [38] I thought NC is blobbing the hell out of CtrlQzoku ? How can they attack Delve, Drone Regions and Cloud Ring at the same time ?
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there As usual, your detective skills are impeccable Ace. You have succeeded in exposing our sinister plan to attempt to have "fun" playing this awful, awful game. Call me Mr Holmes, Sherlock Holmes signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Stahlregen Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space Don't give mittens any ideas!

Holy Lowlander Amarr Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:42:00 - [41] Originally by: pickelhaube I thought NC is blobbing the hell out of CtrlQzoku ? How can they attack Delve, Drone Regions and Cloud Ring at the same time ? stupid metagamers they stole my sig :'(
Sator deHarak Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:56:00 - [42] Guys, guys. They have Over 20 alliances on their killboard. gasp
Dorina Gallente Black Serpent Technologies Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:00:00 - [43] Edited by: Dorina on 21/04/2009 15:04:24 Edited by: Dorina on 21/04/2009 15:01:31 CHEERS GO IRC/ED....Keep up the good fight guys. You will get support indirectly you will see...Other 0.0 alliances will start to see oppertunities present them selves, and this will change the tides of war. Great job in holding your own. Funny to see more corp. involved in the f-9 fight then you had members in fleet. 295 vs 95 and held the field way to go guys. Even though I am not with you guys, but IRC was my first 0.0 home and I love seeing them standing up against all odds.
Totally Slick Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there i was promised dancing night elves where are my dancing night elves!?
Major Theef Minmatar Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:13:00 - [45] Edited by: Major Theef on 21/04/2009 15:17:08 Originally by: Sator deHarak Guys, guys. They have Over 20 alliances on their killboard. gasp Of course, some of those alliances are blue to them...but whatever. Edit to clarify...what I mean by that is alliances they have shot.
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Luciolla Originally by: Zackalwe One other quick point: This looks like an internal morale post intendid for IRC consumption only. It wont stand up to scrutiny on CAOD. You may not have wanted to post this here. This was originally posted by a Neutral, non IRC Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054378 or here Apologies I stand corrected.
Faekurias Caldari Specter Enterprises The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:31:00 - [47] NO doubt IRC/ED put themselves in this situation, I don't think anyone could disagree with that, however. Look at these Bananas : Holy **** dude.
Murrior Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:32:00 - [48] Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. -- -- -- "E = mc^2" - God ...enough with dead peoples' quotes...
Hideo Ah Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 18:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Murrior Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. Cynicism in space would be believing that IRC/ED chose that particular moment to look for lebensraum because it was when it would most benefit RKZ and RA was distracted elsewhere. I don't think anyone thinks that, that's why they are still blue to all their old allies.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Gefunkt You know who else held off 20 alliances for 9 months with a kill ratio of over 9000? Do you recall those Snowdens of yesteryear? They too were wounded tigers with a lyin heart. That's right, I'm talking about RISE. whoa i found this thread searching for my name please don't compare me with RISE :mad:

Anela Cistine Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Totally Slick Originally by: Ace Frehley So basiclly, you gonna keep ya naplist and play wow in space when bob leaves the area? Or what you mean besides bob/kenbaribe is arrogant wich is a fact and I cant say I¦m neither probob or progoon, just tierd of all this naping this here and there i was promised dancing night elves where are my dancing night elves!? Walking in stations.
Yourbane Minmatar Geb's Call	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Zackalwe Originally by: 128th ABC123 You did notice the 51K people online this weekend right??? If you honestly think anything in Eve will get any smaller or lag is an issue which will disappear... Alliances considered to be "irrelevant" or "small" field larger fleets than the leading alliancs of 3 years ago. New records on capship kills are being made regularly and one of the biggest capship battles never involved bob, but rather was between the drone region russians and atlas/rk/smash. Removing ex-bob/kenzoku/etc(which I dont think you guys will be doing btw) would change nothing about the direction the game is going. You kind of just proved my point. With more and more people heading to 0.0 it would be nice if the list of involved alliances in any given conflict went down. Imagine if this war is still going a year from now. 2500 in local? 3500? We have already passed 1500 on a number of occassions. The only way to go back to regional conflicts is if BOB is eliminated. The poem above me demonstrates exactly why this is the case. Well, the good thing is : CCP have proven that they can get more funding, more hardware and will do so when they can, even going for the best stuff around (anyone who knows RAMSAN knows what I mean) and they managed to bring 1500 ppl battles to EvE ... You can surely expect them to keep on doing so and to be able to cope with 2500 in local a year from now. "The only way blabla regional" .: No ! . Don't expect Bob's death to change anything on that part, people are naturally afraid, and whenever any power block (be it just one alliance or more) becomes threatening for some people, people will build another coalition, and it'll be blobwars all over again. For example, the best time to capture a region is now, as coalitions are mostly busy, and still the only mad people who try end up totally roasted by smaller coalition forces. The reason fights and coalitions have become so massive is the mobility that has been added to EvE through all that easy-jumping technology, and I doubt you can take that away now, that and the fact that 95% of the people (IG and IRL) prefer an easy win than a long bloody fight, especially when it's a lost one.
Tamir Lenk Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Murrior Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. What is this "honour" of which you speak? Is it the basis for your righteous chastising of our noble Goon posters? AFAIK ED/IRC honoured their agreement to get back in the kitchen and shut their yaps when mans are talkin'
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:59:00 - [54] goons will soon become omnipotence itself
Totally Slick Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.21 22:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza goons will soon become omnipotence itself Is that a CCP, Valve or Blizzard SoonÖ?
Johnny Santos Caldari Beginning of the End	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:04:00 - [56] Hmmmm... Some people just want to see the world burn.
Han Lector Amarr Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:13:00 - [57] Hello ! BOB here... and I can confirm that we are about to GO. Also to the OP, must feel good to find your own brain ?
qwijJibow Caldari The Unpodable Supermen Antagonistic Bloodthirsty Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:14:00 - [58] Originally by: pickelhaube I thought NC is blobbing the hell out of CtrlQzoku ? How can they attack Delve, Drone Regions and Cloud Ring at the same time ? isnt there like 10 000 players in the NC? why cant they do everything? but what i understand is the NC is a conglomerate... with reps from several Allinaces... So its perfectly understandable that parts can be attacking all three regions at the same time... and when you have better then tech I mods on your ships... you tend to control Q if you know you are f*ed... though why cant we all be arogant suns of ***es? we all payto play this game... if goons wish to play circle jerk on the cookie... well thats just thier Prerogative....
Fyrkraag Caldari The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 00:37:00 - [59] The facts.... oh they are around, somewhere here or there in bits and pieces, among the mud and fairy tales of self-appointed experts and know it alls. Usually the only time we're supposed to post on CAOD is to say "drama-lama-ding-dong" at the behest of some ******, but at the end of the day, the war is about a number of people taking the word of a goon against someone who didn't do what they were told. Perhaps the RZR-grunt-guy is on to something where he envisions an Eve-universe all about power blocks & pets vs. other power blocks & other pets, versus a "warring city-state" picture. Realistically, the power blocks will probably win. The warring-city state picture is kind of nice though, since each man can be his own warlord. Who in the heck logs into a video game so some guy can tell you what to do? :P (The above text is the opinion of the poster and does not reflect the views of the poster's alliance or the poster's corporation, their leadership, or even other individual members)
Zackalwe Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.22 01:36:00 - [60] This is quite an interesting conversation in CAOD for a change so I thought I might try to keep it going :) Originally by: Yourbane Well, the good thing is : CCP have proven that they can get more funding, more hardware and will do so when they can, even going for the best stuff around (anyone who knows RAMSAN knows what I mean) and they managed to bring 1500 ppl battles to EvE ... You can surely expect them to keep on doing so and to be able to cope with 2500 in local a year from now. Maybe they will. But even if its possible, is 2500 in local desirable? Originally by: Yourbane "The only way blabla regional" .: No ! . Don't expect Bob's death to change anything on that part, people are naturally afraid, and whenever any power block (be it just one alliance or more) becomes threatening for some people, people will build another coalition, and it'll be blobwars all over again. Im just going to have to disagree with you here. If BOB does die (and the Bob guy is right to point out its hardly a forgone conclusion) do you see PL, Goons, and the NC maintaining a nap for no good reason? I really dont. Originally by: Yourbane The reason fights and coalitions have become so massive is the mobility that has been added to EvE through all that easy-jumping technology, and I doubt you can take that away now, that and the fact that 95% of the people (IG and IRL) prefer an easy win than a long bloody fight, especially when it's a lost one. I partially disagree. This really breaks down into a two part question. Why is there currently such a large coalition?: That is a matter of history. In the golden age of BOB the other 0.0 alliances had a choice. Either stand together and fight or be killed one at a time alone. It was a reactionary thing. Goon diplomacy made a big difference at the time. We have been trying to finish BOB off ever since. We got close before but bottled it. Maybe this time we will see it through. We will see. Why is it possible for all these alliances to fight in one place? Its not due to jumpbridge networks or titan bridging. I see that argument a lot. There is no massive jumpbridge POS chain from Tenal to Delve. We got here the old-fashioned way by manual travel. Also titan bridge range is quite limited. They are a great tactical tool in the region you are fighting in but we cant titan-bridge back to Tenal or anything. Once an alliance moves its PvPers to a staging area and sets up decent logistics thats it. We dont need to go home for anything. We are only just starting to get a local jumpbridge chain (when it has fuel goons ). If jumpbridges didnt exist and titanbridges werent invented it wouldnt make a difference, we would still be here. The one thing you could say allows an alliance to base so far from its borders is the jumpclone. Thats really the only thing. If we are attacked back in Tenal we can be back there instantly undocking in our homefleet battleships with a moments notice. When the jobs done and our borders secure we can jump back to current staging and rejooin the fight. There are arguments for and against the jumpclone. But that really is the culprit.

Easley Thames Gallente The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.22 01:41:00 - [61] Edited by: Easley Thames on 22/04/2009 01:52:20 Page 3 sniper. Not really I just posted on the wrong thread
fishblades Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.22 01:56:00 - [62] Edited by: fishblades on 22/04/2009 01:57:23 Originally by: Zackalwe Edited by: Zackalwe on 21/04/2009 12:23:22 We are down South to kill BOB. We are here to support our allies, Goonswarm, and ensure they secure Delve, Q and PB. If we do leave Querious at some point before that goal is reached it will only be for a week or so for a quick break. And tbh I dont think there is even much chance of that. Once we do leave the South, after our goal has been acomplished, there will be no need for continued standings with the Southern allies. It wont be war, just a reset on friendly terms and the chance of small gang pew in the future. Seriously. Razor and PL reset us before and they will again. The fact is we are friends and we will come together when we are needed, like superheroes even. Our allies can do anything they want aside from a direct backstab, theft, or anything to hurt our alliance as a whole and we wont care; and to be honest we would let some of that slide if it was funny enough. They are allies not vassals or pets, they do what they want and sometimes that involves helping their friends. No Alliance loves their allies more than we do o9 edit: I would be willing to bet if a short notice op was posted for one of our allies you would get more goons to show up then if it was our own stuff at risk.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 02:39:00 - [63] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan but maybe you can explain what I cant figure out. IRC/ED jumped into the war against PL/NC/Goons/Good Russians/etc but didnt get standings with AAA/GKC. why? your lack of being a threat means you get saved for last, not ignored entirely like you seem to expect to continue. Because we don't want to? Both sides are red, more targets that way. But in fact, I blame the one that arranges our standings. See, he is really lazy, and just SHIFT+left clicked all the alliances in the standings list to red. Jokes aside, if you pvp this are great days for the alliance. And if we die, we die... Just a game, nothing more than that. This thread is useless, though. Eventually, if BOB (whatever) or Goons die, there will probably be a major reset either way... so it happened earlier to us, bleh, big deal. As it's not the entire NC attacking us, just a few alliances from it, and RA+friends and tenants. As for us not talking about our losses, everyone knows we don't appear much around here. But we don't appear here to brag about every single victory either, of stolen/acquired POS's, the multiple POS's reinforced and destroyed, the many cap fleets killed, winning against all odds, etc. But we must be losing this war for sure, because all that has been heard in CAOD about the war is about a super-cap lost (bleh, and some other caps). The fun we having is all that matters. And we thank the NC dudes and the RA brosefs for it.
fishblades Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.22 03:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan but maybe you can explain what I cant figure out. IRC/ED jumped into the war against PL/NC/Goons/Good Russians/etc but didnt get standings with AAA/GKC. why? your lack of being a threat means you get saved for last, not ignored entirely like you seem to expect to continue. http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/66701 Quote: A good example of an invasion mangled by poor intelligence occurred very recently in Etherium Reach, where Intrepid Crossing (IRC) and Etheral Dawn (ED) invaded Red Alliance in the Insmother region. They didn't do their homework, and didn't realize that Red Alliance was aiding Legion of xXDeathXx in a fight many regions away against Against All Authorities in Tenerifis - or that this Tenerifis battle was part of a second front in the KenZoku/-A- vs Goonswarm throwdown in Querious. Though they had absolutely no intention to do so, IRC/ED had jumped into the mire of the Great War, and suddenly found themselves reset to neutral by most of their long-time allies.
Kylezanto Minmatar Guiding Hand Social Club Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.22 05:07:00 - [65] IRC is more terrible than you think, this is from longtime experience.
128th ABC123 Caldari Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Kylezanto IRC is more terrible than you think, this is from longtime experience. /emote Farts in Kylezanto's general direction.
Faekurias Caldari Specter Enterprises The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Kylezanto IRC is more terrible than you think, this is from longtime experience. May be, but from the looks of it, atleast they and ED stand on their own two (four?) feet. ------------------------- *FAEKURIAS*
128th ABC123 Caldari Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:51:00 - [68] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan Originally by: Luciolla This was originally posted by a Neutral, non IRC Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054378 or here This was re-posted in COAD by IRC, not a neutral Link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1054893 or here Like you guys never make dumb threads...
oshla Caldari Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 09:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Sator deHarak Guys, guys. They have Over 20 alliances on their killboard. gasp You come up with such a nice corpname, but then don't follow your own advice...
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 15:30:00 - [70] Red Alliance Ultima Ratio United Legion Sc0rched Earth Kraftwerk Lucky League Red Army Alliance Rebellion Alliance IRON Wildly Inappropriate The Initiative. Majesta Empire As said before, not the entire NC or anything close. --------------------------

Rebnott Valeri Gallente Scoopex Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.04.22 18:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Rikeka Red Alliance Ultima Ratio United Legion Sc0rched Earth Kraftwerk Lucky League Red Army Alliance Rebellion Alliance IRON Wildly Inappropriate The Initiative. Majesta Empire As said before, not the entire NC or anything close. What's the problem with that? According to your own dribble on SHC you are winning every fight, right?
Murrior Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2009.04.22 18:37:00 - [72] Originally by: Tamir Lenk Originally by: Murrior Hey, Relax. It's a game. IRC/ED needed more space and RA space was the only "...viable" option. So they decided to go for it. At the point the war began, there was mutual pew pew from both sides. In whatever way it happened. IRC decided to break its standings with RA and they did. And btw, those two have a reputation for honouring agreements. Especially goons, shoudln't take those things seriously. You promote cynicism in space. Regards. What is this "honour" of which you speak? Is it the basis for your righteous chastising of our noble Goon posters? AFAIK ED/IRC honoured their agreement to get back in the kitchen and shut their yaps when mans are talkin' Goons did receive ze billions for the drone regions though. Honour isn't that bad when it comes to isk, isn't it? And nothing to do with e-bushido honOr or righteous chastising. Just a fact.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.22 19:38:00 - [73] Edited by: Rikeka on 22/04/2009 19:40:09 Originally by: Rebnott Valeri Originally by: Rikeka Red Alliance Ultima Ratio United Legion Sc0rched Earth Kraftwerk Lucky League Red Army Alliance Rebellion Alliance IRON Wildly Inappropriate The Initiative. Majesta Empire As said before, not the entire NC or anything close. What's the problem with that? According to your own dribble on SHC you are winning every fight, right? Where in my post I'm complaining? And we lost fights too, ofc. I just clarified on those saying we were fighting the entire NC. And I only post battlereports in SHC, win or lose. Some INIT, Wildy and Majesta fellas also post there, and everything is civil and dandy. Don't try to turn this in a ****ing contest.
Izuxiria Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.05.02 01:32:00 - [74] Edited by: Izuxiria on 02/05/2009 01:33:34 My guess is that you don't know anything about the alliances you are talking about, about their goals, policies, or how and why they were formed. Now about this: Originally by: mightylord 4. TCF is sitting on the fence waiting to see what offers they get from goons and Razor as to which way they will swing. lol? TCF have always been friendly to goonswarm, and they are well aware of it. Furthermore, I don't see what choice there would be to pick, Razor are our friendly neighbors, they don't have to offer anything for our friendship or help. <3 goons o7 NC
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.05.03 19:24:00 - [75] IRC: never stop believing also those vent recordings were pretty lol you could taste the welp in those long moments of silence as what remained of your cap fleet went up in flames. "where is the enemy camp" "its on top of our dreads" there were other gems as well like the decision to not go back and try to save them due the likelihood of loosing more small ships, sorry alpha bro I guess they wont let you go back and help :( as to the op, protip: putting the bs your leadership spews onto a more public venue does not make it any more accurate of an analysis of the political situation in eve. Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
Daveion Steel Gallente 6thsense Corp	Posted - 2009.05.03 20:22:00 - [76] I bet the op is about right.


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