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Baconjoe	Posted - 2004.08.30 07:47:00 - [31] Its just never going to happen is it. And I think having the constant war, is what makes each side so strong. We are cursed men
Baconjoe	Posted - 2004.08.30 07:47:00 - [32] Its just never going to happen is it. And I think having the constant war, is what makes each side so strong. We are cursed men
qwerts	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:05:00 - [33] Edited by: qwerts on 30/08/2004 08:08:43 cease fire maybe,, allies doubtful unless something horrific happened 1st look @ why they fight its not for profit because every one knows its probably the second crappiest way to make isk, they fight because they like fighting for the fights sake ok so they both like fighting why not allies and fight together, logistics for one currently both sides know where to go to find a fight ....traveling 40+ jumps for a maybe fight is a poor alternative to the status quo second politics where would 0.0 space be without a choking amount of politics..look @ ca's allies and SA's allies to the best of my understanding SA is allied or at least in positive dialogue with every one but CA and possible the extreme northern entities..so SA allieing with CA would cost it allies , the desire to fight and need for an enemy would cost it more allies CA is at war with all of eve possible exception being pa and the pirate fractions in tribute. so the CA has little to lose by going against its allies one is in a state of civil war the other fighting overwhelming odds trying to hold on to something of its own doubtful either is in a position to help or hurt ca so hardly weigh in for any effect on ca decision making so what you need is either the pvpers too lose their bloodlust....least likely catalyst for peace or a threat to both CA/SA close to both of them that could hold out under the combined might of both for an extended amount of time not likely to happen(a civil war in either could lead to this I think one side joining the enemy with enough power to crush its brother)
qwerts	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:05:00 - [34] Edited by: qwerts on 30/08/2004 08:08:43 cease fire maybe,, allies doubtful unless something horrific happened 1st look @ why they fight its not for profit because every one knows its probably the second crappiest way to make isk, they fight because they like fighting for the fights sake ok so they both like fighting why not allies and fight together, logistics for one currently both sides know where to go to find a fight ....traveling 40+ jumps for a maybe fight is a poor alternative to the status quo second politics where would 0.0 space be without a choking amount of politics..look @ ca's allies and SA's allies to the best of my understanding SA is allied or at least in positive dialogue with every one but CA and possible the extreme northern entities..so SA allieing with CA would cost it allies , the desire to fight and need for an enemy would cost it more allies CA is at war with all of eve possible exception being pa and the pirate fractions in tribute. so the CA has little to lose by going against its allies one is in a state of civil war the other fighting overwhelming odds trying to hold on to something of its own doubtful either is in a position to help or hurt ca so hardly weigh in for any effect on ca decision making so what you need is either the pvpers too lose their bloodlust....least likely catalyst for peace or a threat to both CA/SA close to both of them that could hold out under the combined might of both for an extended amount of time not likely to happen(a civil war in either could lead to this I think one side joining the enemy with enough power to crush its brother)
Meridius	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Daakkon I fell asleep after the first sentence. You got me beat. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Daakkon I fell asleep after the first sentence. You got me beat. ________________________________________________________
Milano II	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:10:00 - [37] Edited by: Milano II on 30/08/2004 08:14:13 I do believe the CA and SA could co-exist...... Ehm.... in the ranks of commanders and generals, and CEO's, there's some respect between each alliance... SA + CA would WTFPWN everything in its path, whether it's an enemy battleship fleet or a huge rock of arkanor. Ehmm... but too many people like to smack-talk and lie and bend truths and be immature and retarded..... especially on these forums..... so ehm.... everything really just ends on these damned forums really. Would I want to fight alongside SA instead of against them? Sure, I welcome every new experience... but.... SA are the only fleet worth fighting against being that they usually are a worthy opponent... Who would SA/CA fight? FA? That's lame. ******** Milano II Liaison, Critical Mass Enterprises Curse Alliance
Milano II	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Milano II on 30/08/2004 08:14:13 I do believe the CA and SA could co-exist...... Ehm.... in the ranks of commanders and generals, and CEO's, there's some respect between each alliance... SA + CA would WTFPWN everything in its path, whether it's an enemy battleship fleet or a huge rock of arkanor. Ehmm... but too many people like to smack-talk and lie and bend truths and be immature and retarded..... especially on these forums..... so ehm.... everything really just ends on these damned forums really. Would I want to fight alongside SA instead of against them? Sure, I welcome every new experience... but.... SA are the only fleet worth fighting against being that they usually are a worthy opponent... Who would SA/CA fight? FA? That's lame. ******** Milano II Liaison, Critical Mass Enterprises Curse Alliance
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:12:00 - [39] Edited by: Alowishus on 30/08/2004 08:15:27 Originally by: qwerts (a civil war in either could lead to this I think one side joining the enemy with enough power to crush its brother) This one makes me shudder. No offense, guys, but better CA than SA. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:12:00 - [40] Edited by: Alowishus on 30/08/2004 08:15:27 Originally by: qwerts (a civil war in either could lead to this I think one side joining the enemy with enough power to crush its brother) This one makes me shudder. No offense, guys, but better CA than SA. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Meridius	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:13:00 - [41] On a serious note. Why have CA and SA be friendly, how boring would that be. If anything catch needs more action not less. If it were RL then sure, lets have a nap and stop the killing. It's a game though. SA=Goodys CA=ebil Keep it simple ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:13:00 - [42] On a serious note. Why have CA and SA be friendly, how boring would that be. If anything catch needs more action not less. If it were RL then sure, lets have a nap and stop the killing. It's a game though. SA=Goodys CA=ebil Keep it simple ________________________________________________________
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Meridius SA=Goodys CA=ebil I'm ebil. SA lubs me anyway. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Meridius SA=Goodys CA=ebil I'm ebil. SA lubs me anyway. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:28:00 - [45] To my, admittedly limited political knowledge, Alowishus has a very significant point. To my understanding of the situation, nearly all of the major powers are on one side or the other of the Curse-Stain war. It has become such a constant, that many groups simply treat it as a given that Stain and Curse will always be at eachother's throats. Changing that would require a large number of alliances to significantly alter their view of the situation. They might not like that very much. It is something to think about. Harry Voyager
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:28:00 - [46] To my, admittedly limited political knowledge, Alowishus has a very significant point. To my understanding of the situation, nearly all of the major powers are on one side or the other of the Curse-Stain war. It has become such a constant, that many groups simply treat it as a given that Stain and Curse will always be at eachother's throats. Changing that would require a large number of alliances to significantly alter their view of the situation. They might not like that very much. It is something to think about. Harry Voyager
Reassor	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:31:00 - [47] well i wana add .. before northern war PA was allways not in good relationship with CA coz of difirences in policy ... but look now... we are friends now .. even if we dnt agree on all things ... coz those things are no longer so important for us ...(PA) so i only wish SA to not meet evol/m0o in thier home system ... and see how long they can stay there :P PEACE AND LOVE ... and now let me login and kill some fade union :D
Reassor	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:31:00 - [48] well i wana add .. before northern war PA was allways not in good relationship with CA coz of difirences in policy ... but look now... we are friends now .. even if we dnt agree on all things ... coz those things are no longer so important for us ...(PA) so i only wish SA to not meet evol/m0o in thier home system ... and see how long they can stay there :P PEACE AND LOVE ... and now let me login and kill some fade union :D
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Milano II Edited by: Milano II on 30/08/2004 08:14:13 [...] Who would SA/CA fight? FA? That's lame. Actually, a combined SA/CA fleet might just be able to field enough ships to ***** the Fountain defensive fleet. Casualties would be immense, and we'd probably take down the whole cluster in process, but what a battle that would be. Not something I'd want to do twice. Harry Voyager
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Milano II Edited by: Milano II on 30/08/2004 08:14:13 [...] Who would SA/CA fight? FA? That's lame. Actually, a combined SA/CA fleet might just be able to field enough ships to ***** the Fountain defensive fleet. Casualties would be immense, and we'd probably take down the whole cluster in process, but what a battle that would be. Not something I'd want to do twice. Harry Voyager
Ribosom	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:59:00 - [51] @ NiteOwl The way i see it both alliances are the same in almost every aspect. And yes, again your little discussions with your old friend reflect ideas and thoughts (some spoken out some not) in both alliances. BUT, as long as there¦s no common goal this will not happen. May be ccp will create one for us some day. -------------------- (Advocatus Diaboli)
Ribosom	Posted - 2004.08.30 08:59:00 - [52] @ NiteOwl The way i see it both alliances are the same in almost every aspect. And yes, again your little discussions with your old friend reflect ideas and thoughts (some spoken out some not) in both alliances. BUT, as long as there¦s no common goal this will not happen. May be ccp will create one for us some day. -------------------- (Advocatus Diaboli)
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.08.30 09:04:00 - [53] Quote: The plus side is that since CA already hates everyone it wouldn't be too hard to get them on the bandwagon if someone made an enemy out of SA. -Alowishus ROFL, true, true. Quote: Actually, a combined SA/CA fleet might just be able to field enough ships to *** the Fountain defensive fleet. -Harry Voyager Heh, actually a portion of the CA military jumped in on FA's "defensive fleet" several times. Even though we were outnumbered we hammered them in nearly every engagement. Don't over estimate them. If SA+CA were to attack, FA would go down like a $2 ho and we wouldnt break a sweat. Back to the topic...** I could see SA/CA working together on a temporary basis against a common foe. However with CA being evil and SA being... err SA (cant say good because I know SA too well, all face) I can't see an SA/CA Power Block. Things would have to change with either CA becoming more "good" OR SA becoming more openly "evil". Don't count on CA ever becoming good. So that leaves us with SA moving towards openly evil. That I would find highly more likely. Reason is that it's a natural progression in the game for most PvPers. At first you fight for a "good" cause but with countless battles and bloodshed the "cause" takes back seat to the hatred and the dark pleasure of all the carnage. That is the path to the dark side. If SA were to join CA in an Evil Empire then it would be something on a scale Eve has never seen before. All of Eve would tremble before us and they would know suffering on a prophetic level. Mwaaahaaaaahaaahaaa
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.08.30 09:04:00 - [54] Quote: The plus side is that since CA already hates everyone it wouldn't be too hard to get them on the bandwagon if someone made an enemy out of SA. -Alowishus ROFL, true, true. Quote: Actually, a combined SA/CA fleet might just be able to field enough ships to *** the Fountain defensive fleet. -Harry Voyager Heh, actually a portion of the CA military jumped in on FA's "defensive fleet" several times. Even though we were outnumbered we hammered them in nearly every engagement. Don't over estimate them. If SA+CA were to attack, FA would go down like a $2 ho and we wouldnt break a sweat. Back to the topic...** I could see SA/CA working together on a temporary basis against a common foe. However with CA being evil and SA being... err SA (cant say good because I know SA too well, all face) I can't see an SA/CA Power Block. Things would have to change with either CA becoming more "good" OR SA becoming more openly "evil". Don't count on CA ever becoming good. So that leaves us with SA moving towards openly evil. That I would find highly more likely. Reason is that it's a natural progression in the game for most PvPers. At first you fight for a "good" cause but with countless battles and bloodshed the "cause" takes back seat to the hatred and the dark pleasure of all the carnage. That is the path to the dark side. If SA were to join CA in an Evil Empire then it would be something on a scale Eve has never seen before. All of Eve would tremble before us and they would know suffering on a prophetic level. Mwaaahaaaaahaaahaaa
Miko Tanagi	Posted - 2004.08.30 09:48:00 - [55] Agreements can be made and compromiises can be met. Just a matter of getting everyone to actaully sit at the table for open discussion on the matter and put past aggression behind them. Then we can kill everything we see [img:0a1fd45f7f]http://soreloserz.com/storage/Pics/aj.jpg[/img:0a1fd45f7f]
Miko Tanagi	Posted - 2004.08.30 09:48:00 - [56] Agreements can be made and compromiises can be met. Just a matter of getting everyone to actaully sit at the table for open discussion on the matter and put past aggression behind them. Then we can kill everything we see [img:0a1fd45f7f]http://soreloserz.com/storage/Pics/aj.jpg[/img:0a1fd45f7f]
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.08.30 09:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Duke Droklar Quote: The plus side is that since CA already hates everyone it wouldn't be too hard to get them on the bandwagon if someone made an enemy out of SA. -Alowishus ROFL, true, true. Quote: Actually, a combined SA/CA fleet might just be able to field enough ships to *** the Fountain defensive fleet. -Harry Voyager Heh, actually a portion of the CA military jumped in on FA's "defensive fleet" several times. Even though we were outnumbered we hammered them in nearly every engagement. Don't over estimate them. If SA+CA were to attack, FA would go down like a $2 ho and we wouldnt break a sweat. Back to the topic... I could see SA/CA working together on a temporary basis against a common foe. However with CA being evil and SA being... err SA (cant say good because I know SA too well, all face) I can't see an SA/CA Power Block. Things would have to change with either CA becoming more "good" OR SA becoming more openly "evil". Don't count on CA ever becoming good. So that leaves us with SA moving towards openly evil. That I would find highly more likely. Reason is that it's a natural progression in the game for most PvPers. At first you fight for a "good" cause but with countless battles and bloodshed the "cause" takes back seat to the hatred and the dark pleasure of all the carnage. That is the path to the dark side. If SA were to join CA in an Evil Empire then it would be something on a scale Eve has never seen before. All of Eve would tremble before us and they would know suffering on a prophetic level. Mwaaahaaaaahaaahaaa I can't belive I might agree with some of the topic's, even by Duke. There is one point if there ever was a SA/CA grand alliance I think it might actually hurt eve more than anything, I tend to agree the CA military are very competant ( They brag abit to much imo ) and smack ahell of alot. The SA military I have worked with on a few occasions ( excellent organising skills ) very professional soldiers. The whole SA/CA war is what holds Eve at a kind of status quo, I think if they were to ally the might actually be able to roll most of the rest of eve, then again there is the point of why! Everyone that has any skills or any honor knows that killing miners and n00bs ect is not a test of a warriors skills. I would see most of the freelancers and such would just return to empire and alot of smaller corps would do the same, your uber alliance might be able to make 0.0 a hell for alot, even if it did manage to take down fountain and the others all you would have then is the CA/SA uber alliance and nothing else in 0.0 and we all know you guys cant go a week without wanting to shoot someone, so what happens then? I think we all know what happens next! can anyone say civil war or worse ahh this is boring let me find a new game. So in closing the SA/CA war is one of the things that keeps Eve at a status quo in 0.0. CA will never be powerfull enough to take all 0.0 or will any other group. Just my personnall opinions. " Stay Frosty "**
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.08.30 09:56:00 - [58] Originally by: Duke Droklar Quote: The plus side is that since CA already hates everyone it wouldn't be too hard to get them on the bandwagon if someone made an enemy out of SA. -Alowishus ROFL, true, true. Quote: Actually, a combined SA/CA fleet might just be able to field enough ships to *** the Fountain defensive fleet. -Harry Voyager Heh, actually a portion of the CA military jumped in on FA's "defensive fleet" several times. Even though we were outnumbered we hammered them in nearly every engagement. Don't over estimate them. If SA+CA were to attack, FA would go down like a $2 ho and we wouldnt break a sweat. Back to the topic... I could see SA/CA working together on a temporary basis against a common foe. However with CA being evil and SA being... err SA (cant say good because I know SA too well, all face) I can't see an SA/CA Power Block. Things would have to change with either CA becoming more "good" OR SA becoming more openly "evil". Don't count on CA ever becoming good. So that leaves us with SA moving towards openly evil. That I would find highly more likely. Reason is that it's a natural progression in the game for most PvPers. At first you fight for a "good" cause but with countless battles and bloodshed the "cause" takes back seat to the hatred and the dark pleasure of all the carnage. That is the path to the dark side. If SA were to join CA in an Evil Empire then it would be something on a scale Eve has never seen before. All of Eve would tremble before us and they would know suffering on a prophetic level. Mwaaahaaaaahaaahaaa I can't belive I might agree with some of the topic's, even by Duke. There is one point if there ever was a SA/CA grand alliance I think it might actually hurt eve more than anything, I tend to agree the CA military are very competant ( They brag abit to much imo ) and smack ahell of alot. The SA military I have worked with on a few occasions ( excellent organising skills ) very professional soldiers. The whole SA/CA war is what holds Eve at a kind of status quo, I think if they were to ally the might actually be able to roll most of the rest of eve, then again there is the point of why! Everyone that has any skills or any honor knows that killing miners and n00bs ect is not a test of a warriors skills. I would see most of the freelancers and such would just return to empire and alot of smaller corps would do the same, your uber alliance might be able to make 0.0 a hell for alot, even if it did manage to take down fountain and the others all you would have then is the CA/SA uber alliance and nothing else in 0.0 and we all know you guys cant go a week without wanting to shoot someone, so what happens then? I think we all know what happens next! can anyone say civil war or worse ahh this is boring let me find a new game. So in closing the SA/CA war is one of the things that keeps Eve at a status quo in 0.0. CA will never be powerfull enough to take all 0.0 or will any other group. Just my personnall opinions. " Stay Frosty "**
Phonix	Posted - 2004.08.30 10:02:00 - [59] Please do.. It would make things ALOT better in the north PA, plain and simple just dont fight anymore -------------- Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
Phonix	Posted - 2004.08.30 10:02:00 - [60] Please do.. It would make things ALOT better in the north PA, plain and simple just dont fight anymore -------------- Notferr has been pwned by CCP..

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