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Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:20:00 - [211] Nercona 8 \| ***** Alt 0 -Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles** Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:20:00 - [212] Nercona 8 \| ***** Alt 0 -Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles** Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:24:00 - [213] Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Sagainyte I smell desperation in this thread...and it's all coming from 1 side. I advise all CA to ignore this comment. This person is blessed with ignorance and stupidity, he has no understanding of the situation so lets just leave it at that. well he has a point and this isnt the first time ideas like this have been posted by CA members Nope, there is no point in his comment other than to incite a flame which is the same as yours, alt boy. CA has no reason for desperation what so ever. This is just a discussion of possibilities. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:24:00 - [214] Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Sagainyte I smell desperation in this thread...and it's all coming from 1 side. I advise all CA to ignore this comment. This person is blessed with ignorance and stupidity, he has no understanding of the situation so lets just leave it at that. well he has a point and this isnt the first time ideas like this have been posted by CA members Nope, there is no point in his comment other than to incite a flame which is the same as yours, alt boy. CA has no reason for desperation what so ever. This is just a discussion of possibilities. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Damo Pendragon	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:38:00 - [215] Originally by: Rattman Originally by: Archonon Soooooooo, when will we begin the negociations ??? CA and SA together ... and the world will fall ... And hell will freeze over. Where I am aint hell, but its a little chilley here atm Rattman On this point (borrowed from an email): The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term exam. The answer by one student was so profound that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is of course why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law which states that gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed, or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following : First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: (1) If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. (2) If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year, that "...it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then No. 2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze. The student received the only "A". ---- In Summation no chance, but its fun to ponder these things!
Damo Pendragon	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:38:00 - [216] Originally by: Rattman Originally by: Archonon Soooooooo, when will we begin the negociations ??? CA and SA together ... and the world will fall ... And hell will freeze over. Where I am aint hell, but its a little chilley here atm Rattman On this point (borrowed from an email): The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term exam. The answer by one student was so profound that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is of course why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law which states that gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed, or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following : First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: (1) If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. (2) If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year, that "...it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then No. 2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze. The student received the only "A". ---- In Summation no chance, but its fun to ponder these things!
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:12:00 - [217] Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Sagainyte I smell desperation in this thread...and it's all coming from 1 side. I advise all CA to ignore this comment. This person is blessed with ignorance and stupidity, he has no understanding of the situation so lets just leave it at that. well he has a point and this isnt the first time ideas like this have been posted by CA members Nope, there is no point in his comment other than to incite a flame which is the same as yours, alt boy. CA has no reason for desperation what so ever. This is just a discussion of possibilities. alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic.
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:12:00 - [218] Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Sagainyte I smell desperation in this thread...and it's all coming from 1 side. I advise all CA to ignore this comment. This person is blessed with ignorance and stupidity, he has no understanding of the situation so lets just leave it at that. well he has a point and this isnt the first time ideas like this have been posted by CA members Nope, there is no point in his comment other than to incite a flame which is the same as yours, alt boy. CA has no reason for desperation what so ever. This is just a discussion of possibilities. alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:17:00 - [219] Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:17:00 - [220] Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:43:00 - [221] Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:43:00 - [222] Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:59:00 - [223] Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all I am not so sure about that. I think the idea have been circulating in both camps. Still this was just one CA member thinking out loud so to say and there is no need to start yet another flame festà Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:59:00 - [224] Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all I am not so sure about that. I think the idea have been circulating in both camps. Still this was just one CA member thinking out loud so to say and there is no need to start yet another flame festà Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:07:00 - [225] Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all I am not so sure about that. I think the idea have been circulating in both camps. Still this was just one CA member thinking out loud so to say and there is no need to start yet another flame festà This is not just about the original poster, its also about the replies in this thread and the other thread started by a ca member as well.
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:07:00 - [226] Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Ajill alt girl thank you very much This is the second time a thread about this topic has been started by a CA member, don't remember any SA member posting about this topic. Who cares who makes the post? It is still just an interesting thought and nothing else. Don't make assumptions and start posting flame bait because an idea is brought up. it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all I am not so sure about that. I think the idea have been circulating in both camps. Still this was just one CA member thinking out loud so to say and there is no need to start yet another flame festà This is not just about the original poster, its also about the replies in this thread and the other thread started by a ca member as well.
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:09:00 - [227] Right now CCP knows that war is not costly enough. Shiva and other developments are the first step to address that. In this new environment, TRUST will be a very valuable commodity and somehow I can't see anyone accepting any agreement the CA leadership dishes out. I must say that I totally understand the mutual respect amongst the combat pilots. This happens to some degree in most drawn out wars. Unfortunately, this good will is lost in the schemings of the 'politicians' and they general tend to make the decisions. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:09:00 - [228] Right now CCP knows that war is not costly enough. Shiva and other developments are the first step to address that. In this new environment, TRUST will be a very valuable commodity and somehow I can't see anyone accepting any agreement the CA leadership dishes out. I must say that I totally understand the mutual respect amongst the combat pilots. This happens to some degree in most drawn out wars. Unfortunately, this good will is lost in the schemings of the 'politicians' and they general tend to make the decisions. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:50:00 - [229] Quote: it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all Ok in the interest to reassure your insecurities stain, xetic, foutain, norad, cod & FU are wiping the floor with us and were crying out on the forums for help. Yes we are really as stupid as you think we are. Yes your better than us. Yes in general, we lose at the INTERWEB! Please accept my most sincerest apologies. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:50:00 - [230] Quote: it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all Ok in the interest to reassure your insecurities stain, xetic, foutain, norad, cod & FU are wiping the floor with us and were crying out on the forums for help. Yes we are really as stupid as you think we are. Yes your better than us. Yes in general, we lose at the INTERWEB! Please accept my most sincerest apologies. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:53:00 - [231] Originally by: Primer Xenius Right now CCP knows that war is not costly enough. Shiva and other developments are the first step to address that. In this new environment, TRUST will be a very valuable commodity and somehow I can't see anyone accepting any agreement the CA leadership dishes out. I must say that I totally understand the mutual respect amongst the combat pilots. This happens to some degree in most drawn out wars. Unfortunately, this good will is lost in the schemings of the 'politicians' and they general tend to make the decisions. Yes. We all know you feel betrayed by us, i won't go over the god damn arguement because it's not worth my time. Please stop reiterating what your signature says in every post though, it's somewhat repeative. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:53:00 - [232] Originally by: Primer Xenius Right now CCP knows that war is not costly enough. Shiva and other developments are the first step to address that. In this new environment, TRUST will be a very valuable commodity and somehow I can't see anyone accepting any agreement the CA leadership dishes out. I must say that I totally understand the mutual respect amongst the combat pilots. This happens to some degree in most drawn out wars. Unfortunately, this good will is lost in the schemings of the 'politicians' and they general tend to make the decisions. Yes. We all know you feel betrayed by us, i won't go over the god damn arguement because it's not worth my time. Please stop reiterating what your signature says in every post though, it's somewhat repeative. Reverend Necrona
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Primer Xenius Right now CCP knows that war is not costly enough. Shiva and other developments are the first step to address that. In this new environment, TRUST will be a very valuable commodity and somehow I can't see anyone accepting any agreement the CA leadership dishes out. I must say that I totally understand the mutual respect amongst the combat pilots. This happens to some degree in most drawn out wars. Unfortunately, this good will is lost in the schemings of the 'politicians' and they general tend to make the decisions. I can smell the fear in this reply. Wonder how long Xetic would last if CA and SA joined up Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.01 11:55:00 - [234] Originally by: Primer Xenius Right now CCP knows that war is not costly enough. Shiva and other developments are the first step to address that. In this new environment, TRUST will be a very valuable commodity and somehow I can't see anyone accepting any agreement the CA leadership dishes out. I must say that I totally understand the mutual respect amongst the combat pilots. This happens to some degree in most drawn out wars. Unfortunately, this good will is lost in the schemings of the 'politicians' and they general tend to make the decisions. I can smell the fear in this reply. Wonder how long Xetic would last if CA and SA joined up Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.09.01 12:00:00 - [235] IMHO i think some of Xetic would be included. A lot of CA would frown at it, but such a large southern empire would require some industrial corps whom just so happen to have a little pvp experience and are used to harsh conditions. Their Industrial capacity would no doubt be used to counter the western industry comming out of fountain, with the safety cover of the SA/CA fleet. LoL i sound like such a geek :/// Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.09.01 12:00:00 - [236] IMHO i think some of Xetic would be included. A lot of CA would frown at it, but such a large southern empire would require some industrial corps whom just so happen to have a little pvp experience and are used to harsh conditions. Their Industrial capacity would no doubt be used to counter the western industry comming out of fountain, with the safety cover of the SA/CA fleet. LoL i sound like such a geek :/// Reverend Necrona
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 12:37:00 - [237] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Quote: it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all Ok in the interest to reassure your insecurities stain, xetic, foutain, norad, cod & FU are wiping the floor with us and were crying out on the forums for help. Yes we are really as stupid as you think we are. Yes your better than us. Yes in general, we lose at the INTERWEB! Please accept my most sincerest apologies. maybe people are just tired of the same situation all the time, nothing has changed in the last months except in the north, some people are just happy with how things are now and some are not I guess
Ajill	Posted - 2004.09.01 12:37:00 - [238] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Quote: it just seems that CA favors this idea more than SA does thats all Ok in the interest to reassure your insecurities stain, xetic, foutain, norad, cod & FU are wiping the floor with us and were crying out on the forums for help. Yes we are really as stupid as you think we are. Yes your better than us. Yes in general, we lose at the INTERWEB! Please accept my most sincerest apologies. maybe people are just tired of the same situation all the time, nothing has changed in the last months except in the north, some people are just happy with how things are now and some are not I guess
Dray	Posted - 2004.09.01 13:32:00 - [239] my own thoughts on the matter are this, yes it would be a impressive force and with the advent of shiva any nap/alliance between sa/ca would be beneficial to both parties while the possibilities of POS are investigated and implemented, also on the subject of the ca being "desparate" and bringing up this thread, i think its safe to say both sides have thought about it and all that ca have done is publicly posted what both sides members have thought about, that and that alone is the reason for this thread, no alliance can be so desparate to try to nuture a hope via a public forum thread, because as every semi-intelligent player of the game knows it is nigh on impossible to militarily defeat another alliance and claim its space the game dynamics dont offer this possiblility, you have to tactically inept and stupid to an alarming degree to lose your space, but with POS in shiva this will change a few things and mean you have to defend your space more keenly as POS losses will likely hurt more than any lost battle, so with this in mind the real winners could possibly be the likes of m0o and evol as they dont seem to want to tie themselves to an area of space and as such will not require POS but are happy to wage war on there terms, all they need is a sound financial base which it seems clear they have. either way wether it happens or not remains to be seen. this for what its worth is my opinion only. I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"
Dray	Posted - 2004.09.01 13:32:00 - [240] my own thoughts on the matter are this, yes it would be a impressive force and with the advent of shiva any nap/alliance between sa/ca would be beneficial to both parties while the possibilities of POS are investigated and implemented, also on the subject of the ca being "desparate" and bringing up this thread, i think its safe to say both sides have thought about it and all that ca have done is publicly posted what both sides members have thought about, that and that alone is the reason for this thread, no alliance can be so desparate to try to nuture a hope via a public forum thread, because as every semi-intelligent player of the game knows it is nigh on impossible to militarily defeat another alliance and claim its space the game dynamics dont offer this possiblility, you have to tactically inept and stupid to an alarming degree to lose your space, but with POS in shiva this will change a few things and mean you have to defend your space more keenly as POS losses will likely hurt more than any lost battle, so with this in mind the real winners could possibly be the likes of m0o and evol as they dont seem to want to tie themselves to an area of space and as such will not require POS but are happy to wage war on there terms, all they need is a sound financial base which it seems clear they have. either way wether it happens or not remains to be seen. this for what its worth is my opinion only. I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"

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