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Tweety Bird	Posted - 2004.08.30 17:58:00 - [1] Everyone in eve is complaining that the ships and the basic minerals are sky high expensive insurence doesnt cover the cost of your ship anymore wel what do you expect when it is a mass ore thiefing going on no1 like to mine in secure cans to much hassle and no1 whats to mine in jet cans as wel anymore do to the ore thiefs i think it is time that every jet can should be able to be passworded this thiefing is realy having a inpact on the eve econemy imo al the stats of jet should stay the same (to avoid hugh haulers :) ) but just a simple option to secure it for the hour that it lives in space it benefits al eve players imo lemme know what you think and maybe we can make a petition to ccp about it ps: no need for flaming on the ore thiefs tho its just a exploid they use wich is part of the game ---------------------------------------------- >`))))-( This is fishy joefishy copy him in to your sig to help him on his way to world domination
Tweety Bird	Posted - 2004.08.30 17:58:00 - [2] Everyone in eve is complaining that the ships and the basic minerals are sky high expensive insurence doesnt cover the cost of your ship anymore wel what do you expect when it is a mass ore thiefing going on no1 like to mine in secure cans to much hassle and no1 whats to mine in jet cans as wel anymore do to the ore thiefs i think it is time that every jet can should be able to be passworded this thiefing is realy having a inpact on the eve econemy imo al the stats of jet should stay the same (to avoid hugh haulers :) ) but just a simple option to secure it for the hour that it lives in space it benefits al eve players imo lemme know what you think and maybe we can make a petition to ccp about it ps: no need for flaming on the ore thiefs tho its just a exploid they use wich is part of the game ---------------------------------------------- >`))))-( This is fishy joefishy copy him in to your sig to help him on his way to world domination
pshepherd	Posted - 2004.08.30 18:06:00 - [3] Edited by: pshepherd on 30/08/2004 18:17:49 ore thieving isn't an exploit. I like the system the way it is, if your area of space has loads of ore thieves, move somewhere quieter. i'm not meaning 0.0 i'm meaning somewhere about 10 jumps from one of the main routes (between core systems or to 0.0) I've only ever once had a problem with ore thieves, and that was when i was mining in 0.8
pshepherd	Posted - 2004.08.30 18:06:00 - [4] Edited by: pshepherd on 30/08/2004 18:17:49 ore thieving isn't an exploit. I like the system the way it is, if your area of space has loads of ore thieves, move somewhere quieter. i'm not meaning 0.0 i'm meaning somewhere about 10 jumps from one of the main routes (between core systems or to 0.0) I've only ever once had a problem with ore thieves, and that was when i was mining in 0.8
Etoile Chercheur	Posted - 2004.08.30 21:20:00 - [5] i don't want 100% secure jetcan mining. it's as silly as the system that's currently in place, too one-sided. give me the ability to shoot at ore-thieves to defend my claim, and i'll be happy. Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) \| Hadean Drive Yards
Etoile Chercheur	Posted - 2004.08.30 21:20:00 - [6] i don't want 100% secure jetcan mining. it's as silly as the system that's currently in place, too one-sided. give me the ability to shoot at ore-thieves to defend my claim, and i'll be happy. Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) \| Hadean Drive Yards
Sissorena	Posted - 2004.08.30 22:53:00 - [7] Heres a solution u moron stop mineing in 1.0 space into jet cans. Problem solved If you mine into a jet can you are throwing your ore away according too ccp. Jet cans are for throwing things away that u dont want. So if you want the ote you mine put it in secure cans /Rant
Sissorena	Posted - 2004.08.30 22:53:00 - [8] Heres a solution u moron stop mineing in 1.0 space into jet cans. Problem solved If you mine into a jet can you are throwing your ore away according too ccp. Jet cans are for throwing things away that u dont want. So if you want the ote you mine put it in secure cans /Rant
Amicus	Posted - 2004.08.31 01:08:00 - [9] I second Etoile Chercheur, just give us the right to shoot thieves. It might make it interesting if once the miner starts firing on the thief the thief were allowed to fire back. Imagine player pirates coming in to steal ore and the fights that would ensue. More dynamic than NPC pirate spawns in belts.
Amicus	Posted - 2004.08.31 01:08:00 - [10] I second Etoile Chercheur, just give us the right to shoot thieves. It might make it interesting if once the miner starts firing on the thief the thief were allowed to fire back. Imagine player pirates coming in to steal ore and the fights that would ensue. More dynamic than NPC pirate spawns in belts.
Kalfu	Posted - 2004.08.31 01:27:00 - [11] I don't like ore thieves, but I don't have problems with them; I mine into a can which is immediatly cleared by an indy. The worst case scenario is losing ore while the indy is off hauling; 5 minutes worth at most. But to adress teh actual issue: 1) if my understanidng of shiva is correct you will be able to shoot people who take your ore 2) I don't think ore thieving is what's driving mineral prices up. I suspect alliance wars, coupled with more effective rats since the last patch
Kalfu	Posted - 2004.08.31 01:27:00 - [12] I don't like ore thieves, but I don't have problems with them; I mine into a can which is immediatly cleared by an indy. The worst case scenario is losing ore while the indy is off hauling; 5 minutes worth at most. But to adress teh actual issue: 1) if my understanidng of shiva is correct you will be able to shoot people who take your ore 2) I don't think ore thieving is what's driving mineral prices up. I suspect alliance wars, coupled with more effective rats since the last patch
Etoile Chercheur	Posted - 2004.08.31 02:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Sissorena Heres a solution u moron i don't appreciate being called a moron, and i'm sure everyone else here doesn't, including you. so don't do it. it's petty and does nothing to support your reply's validity in everyone else's eyes. Originally by: Amicus It might make it interesting if once the miner starts firing on the thief the thief were allowed to fire back. Imagine player pirates coming in to steal ore and the fights that would ensue. my thoughts exactly. anyone against the idea of allowing miners to shoot to defend their ore is against a pvp-idea. there's a word to describe such a person... this idea would introduce more combat, and hence more interaction, into the game. i believe interaction is the heart and soul of EVE, and that the game would do nothing but benefit from a change like this. i would like to see ore-thievery evolve into stealty thievery (nicking the can only once the miner is away) or muggings (out-gun the miner with a cohort, and tell the miner to stick-em-up). i can't see how this wouldn't be more fun for all involved, even the ore-thieves. at present, it's just a care-bear griefing tactic that does little more that infuriate it's victims. with a change such as this, the miners will have to admit to being bested instead of merely taken advantage of due to a gaping hole in the game mechanics. Originally by: Kalfu But to adress teh actual issue: 1) if my understanidng of shiva is correct you will be able to shoot people who take your ore 2) I don't think ore thieving is what's driving mineral prices up. I suspect alliance wars, coupled with more effective rats since the last patch i agree that an increase in ship demand has driven mineral prices up. ore-thievery, at least to those that produce the majority of the minerals in EVE (uber miners), is little more than an annoyance and an injury to their pride, especially if the thief is a flaming idiot that can't resist rubbing in the fact that their victim can't do a bloody thing about it! the amount of ore stolen is rarely significant to such miners, as the thieves are usually piloting low-level industrials equipped for speed, capable of snatching only a fraction of a can's worth of ore at a time. (i had such a thief swipe a spoonful of veldspar in a belt i had just started to stripmine. she was less than pleased, and didn't return.) regretably, i've read and reread the changes in Shiva, and as far as i'm able to tell, you won't get to shoot. the only penalty enforced upon them is that the ore will possibly be difficult to transport anywhere or sell or refine. if this has changed, i would love to hear about it. Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) \| Hadean Drive Yards
Etoile Chercheur	Posted - 2004.08.31 02:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Sissorena Heres a solution u moron i don't appreciate being called a moron, and i'm sure everyone else here doesn't, including you. so don't do it. it's petty and does nothing to support your reply's validity in everyone else's eyes. Originally by: Amicus It might make it interesting if once the miner starts firing on the thief the thief were allowed to fire back. Imagine player pirates coming in to steal ore and the fights that would ensue. my thoughts exactly. anyone against the idea of allowing miners to shoot to defend their ore is against a pvp-idea. there's a word to describe such a person... this idea would introduce more combat, and hence more interaction, into the game. i believe interaction is the heart and soul of EVE, and that the game would do nothing but benefit from a change like this. i would like to see ore-thievery evolve into stealty thievery (nicking the can only once the miner is away) or muggings (out-gun the miner with a cohort, and tell the miner to stick-em-up). i can't see how this wouldn't be more fun for all involved, even the ore-thieves. at present, it's just a care-bear griefing tactic that does little more that infuriate it's victims. with a change such as this, the miners will have to admit to being bested instead of merely taken advantage of due to a gaping hole in the game mechanics. Originally by: Kalfu But to adress teh actual issue: 1) if my understanidng of shiva is correct you will be able to shoot people who take your ore 2) I don't think ore thieving is what's driving mineral prices up. I suspect alliance wars, coupled with more effective rats since the last patch i agree that an increase in ship demand has driven mineral prices up. ore-thievery, at least to those that produce the majority of the minerals in EVE (uber miners), is little more than an annoyance and an injury to their pride, especially if the thief is a flaming idiot that can't resist rubbing in the fact that their victim can't do a bloody thing about it! the amount of ore stolen is rarely significant to such miners, as the thieves are usually piloting low-level industrials equipped for speed, capable of snatching only a fraction of a can's worth of ore at a time. (i had such a thief swipe a spoonful of veldspar in a belt i had just started to stripmine. she was less than pleased, and didn't return.) regretably, i've read and reread the changes in Shiva, and as far as i'm able to tell, you won't get to shoot. the only penalty enforced upon them is that the ore will possibly be difficult to transport anywhere or sell or refine. if this has changed, i would love to hear about it. Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) \| Hadean Drive Yards
Caldess	Posted - 2004.08.31 03:38:00 - [15] While it's not an exploit of the game, to me it's an exploit of logic that CCP hasn't programmed for yet. Some guy comes along and takes something that's obviously mine and I can't do anything about it or the cops will get me? Dumb. The creator of the can should just be able to declare access rights to it, if an ore thief comes up and wants to take something, it can prompt him, "The movement of this cargo will be interpreted as a hostile action and you might get pwned shortly." The cops don't have to show up and help out, but please let me put a few missiles into them.
Caldess	Posted - 2004.08.31 03:38:00 - [16] While it's not an exploit of the game, to me it's an exploit of logic that CCP hasn't programmed for yet. Some guy comes along and takes something that's obviously mine and I can't do anything about it or the cops will get me? Dumb. The creator of the can should just be able to declare access rights to it, if an ore thief comes up and wants to take something, it can prompt him, "The movement of this cargo will be interpreted as a hostile action and you might get pwned shortly." The cops don't have to show up and help out, but please let me put a few missiles into them.
Skyt Inteky	Posted - 2004.08.31 10:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Tweety Bird Everyone in eve is complaining that the ships and the basic minerals are sky high expensive insurence doesnt cover the cost of your ship anymore wel what do you expect when it is a mass ore thiefing going on no1 like to mine in secure cans to much hassle and no1 whats to mine in jet cans as wel anymore do to the ore thiefs i think it is time that every jet can should be able to be passworded this thiefing is realy having a inpact on the eve econemy imo al the stats of jet should stay the same (to avoid hugh haulers :) ) but just a simple option to secure it for the hour that it lives in space it benefits al eve players imo lemme know what you think and maybe we can make a petition to ccp about it ps: no need for flaming on the ore thiefs tho its just a exploid they use wich is part of the game I dont agree. I like system like is. This is SPACE!! I will erease the secure containers too... If u dont like thief mining... and for sure u dont mine alone, just make one of us in inty all the time... this way looses will be the fewest.
Skyt Inteky	Posted - 2004.08.31 10:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Tweety Bird Everyone in eve is complaining that the ships and the basic minerals are sky high expensive insurence doesnt cover the cost of your ship anymore wel what do you expect when it is a mass ore thiefing going on no1 like to mine in secure cans to much hassle and no1 whats to mine in jet cans as wel anymore do to the ore thiefs i think it is time that every jet can should be able to be passworded this thiefing is realy having a inpact on the eve econemy imo al the stats of jet should stay the same (to avoid hugh haulers :) ) but just a simple option to secure it for the hour that it lives in space it benefits al eve players imo lemme know what you think and maybe we can make a petition to ccp about it ps: no need for flaming on the ore thiefs tho its just a exploid they use wich is part of the game I dont agree. I like system like is. This is SPACE!! I will erease the secure containers too... If u dont like thief mining... and for sure u dont mine alone, just make one of us in inty all the time... this way looses will be the fewest.
odin hammer	Posted - 2004.08.31 11:05:00 - [19] dude relax i understand where ur going with this but price¦s arent sky high they might rise for while then people will mine it and as supply rise the price goes down again fluctuation on price¦s are normal Respectfull Mermaid of Curse Alliance
odin hammer	Posted - 2004.08.31 11:05:00 - [20] dude relax i understand where ur going with this but price¦s arent sky high they might rise for while then people will mine it and as supply rise the price goes down again fluctuation on price¦s are normal Respectfull Mermaid of Curse Alliance
Kai Duracknar	Posted - 2004.08.31 11:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Kai Duracknar on 31/08/2004 11:53:15 I have not, as yet, had the misfortune to be the victim of an ore-thief. And unless the bugger is flying the biggest indy out there or makes multiple runs their activities will not affect my mining overtly. Annoy me? Sure but when IÆm mining 6-8 mill[isk] of trit a day a loss of 3-6 thousand units isnÆt gonna dent that muchà. If the thief could snaffle 14Km3 at a time then that would be a different storyà. As it is considered bad enough form to shoot at someone elseÆs can for Concord to get involved then surely taking stuff from that same can when you are neither the owner, gang-mate, or fellow corp. member, should be considered equal to shooting at the can, as both are an attempt to deprive the legitimate owner of the contents. As such, should someone other than you, a gang-mate or some one else from your corp. REMOVE something from your can, then it should be the same as it they had fired on you, giving them a sec-rating hit and allowing you to attack them. A swarm 7+ hammerheads would certainly not do any indy any favoursà. I make the distinction between opening the can and removing stuff from it, as sure they can peek inside to see whatÆs there as that is not depriving you of anything, but removing anything from that can deprives you of stuff and that the differenceà If you need to give some thing to a stranger in space ( the drop it in a can routine) then you can still do this by forming a temporary gang with that person and then they have permission to take stuff from ità That or if someone other than a gang-mate or corp. member tries to take stuff out of your can you get a popup saying that they are taking stuff from your can and asks you if they have permission.. [yes] [no] ? if [Yes] they donÆt get a security hit and a headache when you thump them. If [No] then they get a security hit and you are at liberty to attack them.. Note Concord should not be involved in attacking ore thieves as it aint as serious as losing a ship or a PK but the thief should get a sec-rating hit. If they keep it up then the eventual heavy negative sec-rating will demand the attention of the cops thus driving them from higher security levels.
Kai Duracknar	Posted - 2004.08.31 11:50:00 - [22] Edited by: Kai Duracknar on 31/08/2004 11:53:15 I have not, as yet, had the misfortune to be the victim of an ore-thief. And unless the bugger is flying the biggest indy out there or makes multiple runs their activities will not affect my mining overtly. Annoy me? Sure but when IÆm mining 6-8 mill[isk] of trit a day a loss of 3-6 thousand units isnÆt gonna dent that muchà. If the thief could snaffle 14Km3 at a time then that would be a different storyà. As it is considered bad enough form to shoot at someone elseÆs can for Concord to get involved then surely taking stuff from that same can when you are neither the owner, gang-mate, or fellow corp. member, should be considered equal to shooting at the can, as both are an attempt to deprive the legitimate owner of the contents. As such, should someone other than you, a gang-mate or some one else from your corp. REMOVE something from your can, then it should be the same as it they had fired on you, giving them a sec-rating hit and allowing you to attack them. A swarm 7+ hammerheads would certainly not do any indy any favoursà. I make the distinction between opening the can and removing stuff from it, as sure they can peek inside to see whatÆs there as that is not depriving you of anything, but removing anything from that can deprives you of stuff and that the differenceà If you need to give some thing to a stranger in space ( the drop it in a can routine) then you can still do this by forming a temporary gang with that person and then they have permission to take stuff from ità That or if someone other than a gang-mate or corp. member tries to take stuff out of your can you get a popup saying that they are taking stuff from your can and asks you if they have permission.. [yes] [no] ? if [Yes] they donÆt get a security hit and a headache when you thump them. If [No] then they get a security hit and you are at liberty to attack them.. Note Concord should not be involved in attacking ore thieves as it aint as serious as losing a ship or a PK but the thief should get a sec-rating hit. If they keep it up then the eventual heavy negative sec-rating will demand the attention of the cops thus driving them from higher security levels.
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2004.08.31 21:45:00 - [23] Jet cans are not meant to be used for mining. If you use them its your own buisniss to be robed. you have secured containers use them. And btw I realy think now how would a ship thorw debris into space in secured containers lol. Secure the junk :D _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2004.08.31 21:45:00 - [24] Jet cans are not meant to be used for mining. If you use them its your own buisniss to be robed. you have secured containers use them. And btw I realy think now how would a ship thorw debris into space in secured containers lol. Secure the junk :D _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Lance60266	Posted - 2004.09.01 16:03:00 - [25] This is always a fun topic to read about. Especially when the end of it MAY in fact be in sight. CCP has created Mining ships for Shiva. You can now see them on the Shiva Page. I say "MAY" be insight since I have not seen the specs on the ships to make a judgement. My Solution would be simply, remove the ability to jettison ore into a Can. Now before you hollar NOOOOOOOO Listen. Remove the ability to jetison into a can but make the new mining ships have enough cargo to make running back and forth to the station worth while. The mining ships as stated will be very fragile in nature so they will need contant protection (Renewed use for Frigates) and then Haulers can be used to do what they were designed to do which is Haul ore and supplies over long distance. If miners have no need to jetison ore to mine effectively then ore thieves will have to do it honestly so to speak and attack the ships which make them subject to the rules of aggression. "Its all fun and games til somebody gets Podded"
Lance60266	Posted - 2004.09.01 16:03:00 - [26] This is always a fun topic to read about. Especially when the end of it MAY in fact be in sight. CCP has created Mining ships for Shiva. You can now see them on the Shiva Page. I say "MAY" be insight since I have not seen the specs on the ships to make a judgement. My Solution would be simply, remove the ability to jettison ore into a Can. Now before you hollar NOOOOOOOO Listen. Remove the ability to jetison into a can but make the new mining ships have enough cargo to make running back and forth to the station worth while. The mining ships as stated will be very fragile in nature so they will need contant protection (Renewed use for Frigates) and then Haulers can be used to do what they were designed to do which is Haul ore and supplies over long distance. If miners have no need to jetison ore to mine effectively then ore thieves will have to do it honestly so to speak and attack the ships which make them subject to the rules of aggression. "Its all fun and games til somebody gets Podded"
Crazy Dave	Posted - 2004.09.03 21:57:00 - [27] IMO ore thievery is just another pirate act. The only differance is they have concord protecting their assets. If you fire on an ore thief CONCORD (the gaurdians or or thieves) will pod you. Now I dont mid the noob that comes around now and again and takes my ore, as i can replace it with out noticing too much of a loss. What I cant stand and only have the patients because of CONCORD protecting them is the ore thieves that come in haulers. and get realy close to you while they are mining just to take a large quantity of your ore. That is a BIG hit in my profits both for myself and my corperation that im in. That has happened about 5 times to me and it annoys the hell out of me knowing that the only thing i can do is sit back and watch as my ore goes flying off in to the horrizion in some low lifes ship. CONCORD PROTECTS ORE THIEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!I for one would love to fire my 250mm's and 425's as well as my fof missiles and torpedoes at any ship that steals from me or my corp.oh and i for got i have attack drones id like to tryout. CONCORD either protect the law abiding or get the heck out of the system.
Crazy Dave	Posted - 2004.09.03 21:57:00 - [28] IMO ore thievery is just another pirate act. The only differance is they have concord protecting their assets. If you fire on an ore thief CONCORD (the gaurdians or or thieves) will pod you. Now I dont mid the noob that comes around now and again and takes my ore, as i can replace it with out noticing too much of a loss. What I cant stand and only have the patients because of CONCORD protecting them is the ore thieves that come in haulers. and get realy close to you while they are mining just to take a large quantity of your ore. That is a BIG hit in my profits both for myself and my corperation that im in. That has happened about 5 times to me and it annoys the hell out of me knowing that the only thing i can do is sit back and watch as my ore goes flying off in to the horrizion in some low lifes ship. CONCORD PROTECTS ORE THIEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!I for one would love to fire my 250mm's and 425's as well as my fof missiles and torpedoes at any ship that steals from me or my corp.oh and i for got i have attack drones id like to tryout. CONCORD either protect the law abiding or get the heck out of the system.
piercer	Posted - 2004.09.04 17:32:00 - [29] I rekon jet cans should criminally flag anyone who takes from it apart from the creator, then corp members can still use it, and obviously u wont shoot them, but some-one else takes from the can u can go trigger happy. (concord wont warp in in high sec systems so at least ore thieving can still take place if they get away) ---------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Bunny had an accident. Bunny lost his head.
piercer	Posted - 2004.09.04 17:32:00 - [30] I rekon jet cans should criminally flag anyone who takes from it apart from the creator, then corp members can still use it, and obviously u wont shoot them, but some-one else takes from the can u can go trigger happy. (concord wont warp in in high sec systems so at least ore thieving can still take place if they get away) ---------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Bunny had an accident. Bunny lost his head.

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