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Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.29 15:30:00 - [31] Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 29/04/2009 15:30:33 Originally by: odst Captain15 Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Ah yeah. Deimos kind of fails as a hac because it must dive deep into web/scram range or fit crappy rails. But the ishtar is really nice, especially with sentry drones and sentry drone damage rigs. so i guess im the only one here who has had success with the deimos? Success? Of course not. Deimos is still an upgrade to an already very good cruiser, but it's too expensive for what it's meant to do. That doesn't mean it's not good. As stated, the Deimos fails as a HAC. It doesn't fail as a ship.
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:08:00 - [32] Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic)
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic) Hmm, a sort of hybrid zealot, but with a drone bay... you got a fit?
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:43:00 - [34] Edited by: Esmenet on 29/04/2009 16:44:05 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic) Hmm, a sort of hybrid zealot, but with a drone bay... you got a fit? [Deimos, Sniper] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Reactor Control Unit II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting range Large Shield Extender II 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M [empty high slot] Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Something like that. Its like a zealot with less ehp, less dps and less range but with a drone bay. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.29 19:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic) Protip: Fitting weapons that rely on optimal for their range (rails) and making a lolfit in a ship that has a falloff and MWD bonus is moronic. Are you sure neglecting two of its bonuses is the Deimos' role? P.S.: Eagle, Cerberus, Zealot and Muninn can all do this role better than the Deimos. And if you want more DPS, a sentry Ishtar is viable too.
Salomorin Gallente Phantasmal Collective Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.29 19:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Salomorin on 29/04/2009 19:15:29 Higher resists, and as others have said, better tracking, harder for BS to hit you if your in a hac. For PVE I use a BS, for PvP, I use a Hac.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.29 19:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic) PROTIP: Being a sniper hac might be the most usefull role right now for the deimos, it isnt what it is meant to do. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
lecrotta Minmatar lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2009.04.29 19:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic) PROTIP: Being a sniper hac might be the most usefull role right now for the deimos, it isnt what it is meant to do. Hull: Thorax Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. FLY this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. Developer: Duvolle Labs Rumor has it Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown (proly gourmindong to sideways buff amaar) to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers FAILED MISERABLY but the identity of the company's client remains to be discovered (i still say it was gourmie).
Arbax Redne	Posted - 2009.04.29 20:58:00 - [39] hacs can choose their engagement and move faster.
Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 01:18:00 - [40] because you're awesome and everyone needs to know you're awesome cruising around the battleships getting solo KMs on frigs/intis/cruisers. also you can run away much better when you get targeted by a pulse apoc. its like riding a motorcycle on to a battlefield full of tanks, total bad*ss. you and your hac rock oooyeah!
odst Captain15	Posted - 2009.04.30 01:28:00 - [41] i guess me and my freinds are lucky then, we fly in a 3 deimos group and we havent died once against equal numbers. ya its a little expensive but if you got the money to spare its hella fun to fly.
Alxea	Posted - 2009.04.30 10:46:00 - [42] Edited by: Alxea on 30/04/2009 10:50:06 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Try fitting the Deimos for what it's meant to do - a long range HAC for HAC/Recon gangs in 0.0 (PROTIP: fitting a rack of neutrons and flying it like a glass cannon is moronic) PROTIP: Being a sniper hac might be the most usefull role right now for the deimos, it isnt what it is meant to do. Hull: Thorax Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. FLY this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. Developer: Duvolle Labs Rumor has it Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown (proly gourmindong to sideways buff amaar) to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers FAILED MISERABLY but the identity of the company's client remains to be discovered (i still say it was gourmie). You EPICALLY FAIL for 2 reasons. 1.You have no skills to fly a deimos correctly at all. 2.You can't fit a ship worth crap. I have nearly maxed skills for this boat. I will tell you it is a great boat to pvp in if you have the skills. If you don't, then talk to the 967DPS of this gunship, if this gets into point blank of you, you melt fast, just hope it doesn't and your faster then it. It is a flank DPS gank ship. Doesn't need much. Tank is pretty useless in a fleet. If you get primed you die no matter how much tank you have. Solo if you ecm drone this boat you will kill alot of things very quickly. It is very hard to hit too for BS's even if its not useing ecm drones. It does BS DPS in a crusier package. If you can't kill something with it. Your doing something wrong. Every boat that uses cap is weak to neuts. If your dieing from neuts thats understandable. So use ecm drones or cap boosters to counter it. Don't hate on a ship cus you can't fly it very well. Some of us actually can... And a rail deimos is a NO NO... Know its role and shut your mouth.
lecrotta Minmatar lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2009.04.30 11:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Alxea 1.You have no skills to fly a deimos correctly at all. The skills to fly a diemost are pretty basic, lock target, hope you can burn into range and hit with enough DPS to kill the target before you die. Originally by: Alxea 2.You can't fit a ship worth crap. If you are refering to putting rails on it i agree, but then looking at your kills ans loosses its quite clear that you fly other med class blaster ships like CS, BC and even the ishtar more than you do the diemost.
Wardeneo Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.01 19:43:00 - [44] Originally by: Furb Killer Because they are faster, more agile and can actually hit other cruisers. this to some extent, istar over domi, domi is good but ishtar does the same dps (drones) but ur more agile and faster allthough domi has better tank imo id have a mega over a diemos as there rubbish unless there used for boosting dps for a fast moving cruiser fleet, and if ur using them for this then they rock, i <3 800dps from a cruiser... wardeneo
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:30:00 - [45] Simple answer: you dont lose a HAC as often as you lose a BS. Mobility is an advantage in the current metagame. While you cant insure the hull properly, a t2 fit for the HAC will still be cheaper than a t2 BS fit, so after about 3 BS losses you lost as much isk as with a HAC loss. Once the inevitable cyno lights on the bait ship, a HAC has a much better chance to escape.

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