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TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:14:00 - [31] Seriously why isn't everyone voting Lib Dems?
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:37:00 - [32] Originally by: TimMc Seriously why isn't everyone voting Lib Dems? because their a joke Iv found him
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:51:00 - [33] Originally by: annoing ... next it will be what TV you watch... In Soviet Russia, TV watches you! Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:36:00 - [34] Originally by: TimMc Seriously why isn't everyone voting Lib Dems? "Even though they have policies I like, I won't vote for them because they have no chance of winning!" I've come across this before, I really felt like backhanding the guy until he was unconscious.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:54:00 - [35] The main reason for not voting Lib Dems is that not only is it a wasted vote, it's a vote deprived from the only viable alternative from Labour. If too many people vote Lib Dem instead of Tory, there's a real risk of Labour getting a 4th term. I know everyone says the Tories won't do anything different, but come on. They can't be any WORSE. And their fiscal policy makes a hell of a lot more sense than Labour's "borrow our way out of a borrowing crisis" policy. Last election (the only election I've been old enough to vote in), I voted Lib Dem. I've always liked the Lib Dems in the same way that I like underdogs. This time around, I'm voting Tory because I want El Gordo the **** out of Number 10. Before he does any more damage. Back on topic (and away from politics talk): this is the Government's standard MO at the moment. Violate privacy in the name of security, to combat a virtually non-existant threat. ____________________
Tian Jade Amarr Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:58:00 - [36] It's same in other countries. Yes you can vote, but others have already decided on what you can vote and regardless which Party wins, the outcome is the same.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:59:00 - [37] By the way... Ig? ____________________
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.27 23:37:00 - [38] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The main reason for not voting Lib Dems is that not only is it a wasted vote, it's a vote deprived from the only viable alternative from Labour. If too many people vote Lib Dem instead of Tory, there's a real risk of Labour getting a 4th term. I know everyone says the Tories won't do anything different, but come on. They can't be any WORSE. I know, I know! You are absolutely correct but I'm Scottish - if I ever voted Conservative my friends and family would completely disown me :)
nahtoh Caldari Fleet of the Damned Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.04.28 01:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros I am aware of that, but any party foolish enough to scrap the manifesto commitments upon which they were elected will quickly lose the faith of the electorate. Look at Scotland and the shambles of the SNP - they have been forced to scrap so many key policies and turn around so many pre-election promises that there is no way they will win the next election. Well the SNP are a minorty government so they just don't have the ablity to push things through like Nu Stasi have, far to many things have been passed through by Nu Stasi by statucary instraments bypassing scurinty by the commons. Christ have they ever had a Home Sec that does not seem to suffering from clinical paranoia? ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.28 06:39:00 - [40] ppl that give a way a bit of freedom for a bit of security dont deserve any of them and will end up losing both not sure if said this well but i understand it like that btw ***** vagina .... why the forum filter is sexist ?
Calvin Firenze Minmatar Firenze Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.28 07:41:00 - [41] And I was actually considering moving to the UK within the next 5 years or so. ****.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Captain Hudson Originally by: TimMc Seriously why isn't everyone voting Lib Dems? because their a joke I like a laugh. Seriously, I'd rather vote for a joke than someone who's expressly declared intention is to screw me over.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:18:00 - [43] Originally by: ReaperOfSly The main reason for not voting Lib Dems is that not only is it a wasted vote This is exactly the kind of wrong thinking that's landed us (and the US, come to that) in the situation we're in now. Go ahead - vote for Kang because you're afraid that Kodos will get another term. See what good it'll do you. New Labour and Conservatives are exactly the same. The Lib Dems probably are as well, but at least there's a possibility they might not be. Remember: the Conservatives voted for all the horrible, illiberal, freedom-stealing measures that New Labour put through. Quite a few of those measures would have failed the vote if the tories hadn't backed them.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: TimMc Seriously why isn't everyone voting Lib Dems? "Even though they have policies I like, I won't vote for them because they have no chance of winning!" I've come across this before, I really felt like backhanding the guy until he was unconscious. .... Really? someone has said that?
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:34:00 - [45] Edited by: Reven Cordelle on 28/04/2009 08:34:11 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Really? someone has said that? Common defeatist attitude. Think about it - If you proposed that if everyone on the planet stopped using the Internet for one day to fix all of the world's problems, they'd still rather tweet about the awesome breakfast bagel they just ate.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:47:00 - [46] Originally by: nahtoh Well the SNP are a minorty government so they just don't have the ablity to push things through like Nu Stasi have They are a minority by one seat, which means they can get legislation through by building cross-party consensus where they need to. My main issue is their blatant lying, like the fiasco over their commitment to "10,000 more police officers". To any normal person, you would rightly assume that this means the recruitment, training and subsequent deployment of 10,000 people who were not police officers before. In the world of the SNP, this means eliminating desk jobs and "freeing up" 10,000 people - not quite the same thing at all. Quote: far to many things have been passed through by Nu Stasi by statucary instraments bypassing scurinty by the commons. Such as?
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:05:00 - [47] Oh how I miss the UK. What I really miss about the UK is chance of being arrested and held without trial, running the risk of being renditioned, having the opportunity of my 11 year old being pregnant with her second child, knowing that I am being monitored constantly, being on anti-depressants, knowing that the Na-zi's at the SS (Social Services) can come and take my kids because they have been selected for adoption as they get paid per successful addoption and not needing to seek political asylum in another European country. The UK is glorious! It is truly the greatest place on earth! So, to celebrate all of this I will raise my glass of Kahlua this evening to the fact that I left the UK the moment I could, years ago, and will never set foot back in. North Korea is more appealing to me.
Haldane IV Einstein's Dreams	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:17:00 - [48] Yet another example of how Tax payers money is wasted. (Paying people to think and work up these ideas, that is - the way things are going there won't be any money left to actually do any monitoring)
Noodly Appendage	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:53:00 - [49] neunzehnvierundachtzig..
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Super Whopper So, to celebrate all of this I will raise my glass of Kahlua this evening to the fact that I left the UK the moment I could, years ago, and will never set foot back in. North Korea is more appealing to me. You gotta let me know how the hell you got out, and where you went! I NEED DETAILS! (Evemail will be fine.. ha)
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:11:00 - [51] Dunno what everyone's in a huff about... It's not like they haven't been doing this for years already. It would be much more accurate to say they've made certain parts of it more public. Besides I really doubt they'd be able to manually go through everyone's phone and internet data looking for info; instead they'll be looking for patterns and code words used or whatever they decide to flag and go through that in an effort to find crime. I don't think it's right and there are better ways to get information, but at the same time you won't have much to worry about as long as you don't talk about your briefcase attacking the silver mayonnaise jar or something. Originally by: Xen Gin Indeed, upgrading an MS OS is like taking a **** into a cake mixture, then complaining that it doesn't taste good when it's all done.
Katyr	Posted - 2009.04.28 11:24:00 - [52] Quote: "On the contrary, you legitimise the current system by voting even if you dislike the current candidates Not that having a shakey mandate because of low turnout slows em down at all when they are in :/" Then support a move to a more democratic system. Representative democracy isnt so necessary in todays Britain, where it is easier to gauge public opinnions directly. As Legionos says: Quote: "I honestly think that we will go towards a demarchist (look up revelation space) style democracy system where it is almost completly direct (referendums are direct forms of democracy, the uk is primarily a representative democracy) and yes atm a direct system is impracticle but under the demarchist system everyone has implants in their heads which people can quickly provide their vote. Very Happy" Pure demarcy isnt really an option now, not least because we dont have implants to mediate it. Theres also the problem of poor education meaning a lot of people have no idea what policies to implement. For instance, "Vote for your ideal tax rate" will quickly lead to universal underfunding. But for the broad strokes of government policy asking people "Should gay marriage be allowed" or "Should the iraq war go ahead" will let the silent majority have thier say, rather then letting the issue be decided by which lobby can shout loudest.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:32:00 - [53] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: TimMc Seriously why isn't everyone voting Lib Dems? "Even though they have policies I like, I won't vote for them because they have no chance of winning!" I've come across this before, I really felt like backhanding the guy until he was unconscious. .... Really? someone has said that? Yeah, thing was he was actually quite a smart fellow, I did try to convince him to vote Lib Dem, he said he would give it some thought. Although he might have voted Plaid instead.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.28 13:05:00 - [54] the future is bright for the storage companies. ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.04.28 13:07:00 - [55] Originally by: annoing All internet/phone usage now will be recorded ... like to l33ch? Like to share? Visiting that free pron site? Phoning your poor lonely mum? Anything that requires electronic usage actually ... next it will be what TV you watch, films seen ..... the list seems endless. Same in Germany, same in Austria (more or less)... If you think it's bad for leeching etc., consider how it can be used in 10 years when there's new thought crimes, when someone you talked to or whose website you visited became a terrorist or other kind of outlaw, when a book you've commented on is made illegal, when a domain you've visited is sold to a criminal who puts up illegal content. Or when someone hacks your PC / your browser / your ISP's proxy server and illegal stuff is logged with your IP address. Or when someone who doesn't like you messes with the data and you have no way to prove that you didn't visit a particular website. Needless to say, law enforcing agencies can already use your phone ID for conversations effortlessly (=> IMSI Catcher) so they can fake "evidence" any time they like. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.28 13:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Xen Gin "Even though they have policies I like, I won't vote for them because they have no chance of winning!" I've come across this before, I really felt like backhanding the guy until he was unconscious. .... Really? someone has said that? Yeah this is what most my friends have said. Even the really liberal people. They are just so desperate to get Labour out.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:03:00 - [57] Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/04/2009 14:03:47 Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Xen Gin "Even though they have policies I like, I won't vote for them because they have no chance of winning!" I've come across this before, I really felt like backhanding the guy until he was unconscious. .... Really? someone has said that? Yeah this is what most my friends have said. Even the really liberal people. They are just so desperate to get Labour out. Ironically, that's how Labour were voted in in the first place. It's a damaging and vicious circle between two parties that have no real regard for the country and it's people. *edit, Country not County.
Onus Mian Amarr Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:23:00 - [58] The two party system we have is the root of the problem. They are like two children bickering over every little thing and doing the opposite of what the other does just to appear different. Tnot only does it breed voter apathy but its also a terrible way to run a country. Labour and Tory are rubbish, I thought Lib Dems had some good ideas until I got to their policies on ethnic minorities (Wanting to give them disproportionate respresentation) which leaves the BNP (NO!), UKIP (Dunno) and Green Party (Dunno). Obama had the right idea of trying to put aside political differences to try and sort the economic crisis out but once again the two party system messses that up because the republicans are sulking and dragging their feet at every turn.
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:23:00 - [59] Edited by: Kyanzes on 28/04/2009 16:23:46 Echelon --------------------------------------------- Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:25:00 - [60] Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/04/2009 16:25:48 Originally by: Kyanzes Edited by: Kyanzes on 28/04/2009 16:23:46 Echelon Here try this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence) *Edit, OK, wow, I see where the forum falls down there.

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